Got a new pistol today!

My BF and I plan on getting a gun in the future. We had our door slammed open once (and it's a heavy door) and all we have to protect ourselves is a heavy cane. Our friends house was robbed, and they had nothing to protect themselves (But, they weren't home. Robbers staked out their house for a couple days) They ended up getting an alarm system and a doberman. They want a gun, but I highly doubt they'll ever get one.

I like guns, they're neat. That's not why I want one though. If someone were to bust down my door again and they had a gun, I would prefer to have the same protection rather than a stupid cane.

Very nice pistol Matt :)

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What did you get yours chambered in? And how much did it run you if you don't mind me asking?

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I dont mind at all, I paid $400 for it. That was the best price I've seen for them, seems like the average is around 500. It's a 9mm, forgot to mention that. Thanks everybody for the compliments!

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Isn't it true that in the UK people are unable to watch football without engaging in violence and hooliganism? Shouldn't football be banned as it is a pointless tradition?

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YES!!! I HATE football and I totally agree that the drunk english fans are like children.

So if someone attacks you with a knife and you take your gun out, then what? You just shoot them in the face?

I get guns for the purpose of hunting, that one is pretty obv, but I fail to see how its fun or protection. Arnt you going to get arrested if you actually shoot the attacker?

Hi,

Here? yes, without a shadow of doubt.

There? It depends on a lot of factors - most of which vary by state as well.


dr del

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YES!!! I HATE football and I totally agree that the drunk english fans are like children.

So if someone attacks you with a knife and you take your gun out, then what? You just shoot them in the face?

I get guns for the purpose of hunting, that one is pretty obv, but I fail to see how its fun or protection. Arnt you going to get arrested if you actually shoot the attacker?

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If youve never shot one, then you wouldnt understand the fun part. So dont knock it if you aint tried it. If you have tried it, and didnt fin it fun, then different strokes for different folks i suppose.

I think its pretty obvious how they work for protection. Wont even try to explain that one.

No, if you shoot an attacker, and it is clearly self-defense, you will not get arrested. As long as you are carrying the gun legally.

Its a difference in culture, which is something that cannot be properly explained or argued, so its probably best just to agree to disagree.

EDIT: you wouldnt get arrested in most parts of the USA anyhow.

there is also the high possiblity that if they have a knife they will just flee the area so you can call the cops... you dont even have to fire it... there was a poll... the most distinct chilling sound in the world... the chambering of a shotgun shell... even the sound of that will make an intruder leave your home instantly....

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If youve never shot one, then you wouldnt understand the fun part. So dont knock it if you aint tried it. If you have tried it, and didnt fin it fun, then different strokes for different folks i suppose.

I think its pretty obvious how they work for protection. Wont even try to explain that one.

No, if you shoot an attacker, and it is clearly self-defense, you will not get arrested. As long as you are carrying the gun legally.

Its a difference in culture, which is something that cannot be properly explained or argued, so its probably best just to agree to disagree.

EDIT: you wouldnt get arrested in most parts of the USA anyhow.

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Is this all if you shoot them and they die?

if you can articulate in a proper manner as to why you had to use self defense to shoot and kill the attacker, NO you do not get punished... it is our right to defend our family and ourselves with any means necessary.

So doesn't it then become easy to get around that? Surely it cant be to hard to set something like that up.

Huh?

Thats why policemen are naturally suspicious people with a skill set designed to detect deception and the reasoning skills to ferret out the truth. :P

If people could be trusted not to commit crimes we would save a fortune both sides of the atlantic. :rofl:


dr del

This is one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time

How it works here in the US is.....

We have the RIGHT to bear arms, for now anyways.....

But if someone breaks into your house, and puts you and your family at risk, they're getting blasted.

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lol nah, its because you nuts americans are stuck in your ways so choose to ignore any real sense. You can state your pointless facts, what are the stats in realtion of population size and actual crimes related to guns? Thats why these types of argument are pointless.

Also how the hell did we get from guns, to snakes? Guns were designed to kill people, and they are just treated them like toys and then someones kid ends up getting into their gun and shooting someone else.

Of coruse I don't expect to sway anyone, I know thats even more pointless than anything else.

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if you can articulate in a proper manner as to why you had to use self defense to shoot and kill the attacker, NO you do not get punished... it is our right to defend our family and ourselves with any means necessary.

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Also if guns are legal, its going to be easier for the person attacking you to have a gun also. Then what? First to go down loses?

Nice looking gun, im become more and more intrigued with composite guns...
they seem lighter, more durable, easier to clean...






DarkSean,

Guns weren't designed to kill people... our military was.
Guns are not only used as protection, BUT A SPORT, AND A RECREATION...
guns aren't the reason for crime, crazy people are.

im sorry, but when someone breaks into my house, being, unarmed, or armed...
i want to be fully ready with my 12 gauge, just in case.
ANY GUN, is cheaper than my family's life.

And your logic makes no sense...
if guns were outlawed, then the criminals would have them, and we wouldn't...
so again, ill stick with my guns.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
(No offense Derek your way cooler than America.. hahahaha!)

Problem with that logic man

Criminals are criminals, they dont care about the laws, they're ALWAYS going to have guns

If they KNOW guns are banned, the average law-abiding suburbian household ISNT going to have a gun laying around, that makes them PRIME targets to break into, criminals know they know they aren't going to get shot.

If EVERY criminal KNEW that every household had a gun, you think they'll think twice about breaking in?

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Also if guns are legal, its going to be easier for the person attacking you to have a gun also. Then what? First to go down loses?

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So doesn't it then become easy to get around that? Surely it cant be to hard to set something like that up.

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The police are smarter than you seem to think they are, and if you shoot someone in a non-self-defense scenario, the evidence will bear that out. Just saying, "it was self-defense" doesn't fly by itself. They investigate, and presuming the evidence lines up with your story, you don't get in trouble. If the evidence contradicts your story, you'll likely end up in jail.

On that note, in general it's really best to have the only words that pass your lips when you interact with police be some variation of "I want a lawyer."

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im become more and more intrigued with composite guns...

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They're fun to shoot...I have a Springfield XDm 9mm and it's a hoot. A great contrast to my Springfield 1911...they make for a fun day at the range! :gj:

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They're fun to shoot...I have a Springfield XDm 9mm and it's a hoot. A great contrast to my Springfield 1911...they make for a fun day at the range! :gj:

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I haven't had the chance to shoot that many, but they seem rather nice.
I was extremely surprised to hear how durable they actually are, and my friend took apart his to show me, and honestly... all that is metal was the trigger, slide, and barrel... its a pretty slick little deal.

The best part about composites is theyre SO much lighter than metal-frames. Which is wonderful if you carry everyday like I do.

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Originally Posted by FIEND_FO_LYFE

Nice looking gun, im become more and more intrigued with composite guns...
they seem lighter, more durable, easier to clean...

DarkSean,

Guns weren't designed to kill people... our military was.
Guns are not only used as protection, BUT A SPORT, AND A RECREATION...
guns aren't the reason for crime, crazy people are.

im sorry, but when someone breaks into my house, being, unarmed, or armed...
i want to be fully ready with my 12 gauge, just in case.
ANY GUN, is cheaper than my family's life.

And your logic makes no sense...
if guns were outlawed, then the criminals would have them, and we wouldn't...
so again, ill stick with my guns.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
(No offense Derek your way cooler than America.. hahahaha!)

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Now now, it's not his fault as dr del said.
In Canada it's the same way. I have never met one Canadian (who wasn't a criminal) with even the slightest desire to own a handgun. It's completely different. To be 100% honest I thought that the Americans with a desire to own a hand gun were very few and far in between.

I know that everyone keeps saying that people kill people not guns but unfortunetly I still am yet to be convinced.

When your walking through walmart and someone cuts infront of you in line you get a little bit aggrivated. In Canada sometimes an arguement can happen. (it's happened to me) sometimes aggresion can take over and you just wanna punch him in the face. Now instead, you pull that "protection" out and pop a cap in his ass.

I don't know the numbers but I'm sure a lot more people are killed in the states by hand guns then anywhere that handguns are out lawed?

But just restating my original idea. The way we were raised is handguns are bad. Handguns kill people. Only bad guys have guns. You touch a gun and someone finds out you go to jail.

I know it will sound bad to some but I am perfectly 100% happy with that. I'm happy to live somewhere that I know if I piss someone off I won't get shot. I'm happy to know I can work at a gas station and not have to worry about getting robbd with a handgun and getting shot. I'm happy to know some kid isn't going to take his dads, uncles, grandfathers gun to school and shoot my future kids. I would be very happy if there was allowed 0 hand guns in Canada allowed and only hunting rifles with very strict laws regarding them.

Don't flame, just my opinion.

Just saying, the picture where the person posted there "protection". If you did that in the hunters course you would have been redoing the test. If your finger goes anywhere near the trigger without the intent to shoot the gun you fail.

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Now now, it's not his fault as dr del said.
In Canada it's the same way. I have never met one Canadian (who wasn't a criminal) with even the slightest desire to own a handgun. It's completely different. To be 100% honest I thought that the Americans with a desire to own a hand gun were very few and far in between.

I know that everyone keeps saying that people kill people not guns but unfortunetly I still am yet to be convinced.

When your walking through walmart and someone cuts infront of you in line you get a little bit aggrivated. In Canada sometimes an arguement can happen. (it's happened to me) sometimes aggresion can take over and you just wanna punch him in the face. Now instead, you pull that "protection" out and pop a cap in his ass.

I don't know the numbers but I'm sure a lot more people are killed in the states by hand guns then anywhere that handguns are out lawed?

But just restating my original idea. The way we were raised is handguns are bad. Handguns kill people. Only bad guys have guns. You touch a gun and someone finds out you go to jail.

I know it will sound bad to some but I am perfectly 100% happy with that. I'm happy to live somewhere that I know if I piss someone off I won't get shot. I'm happy to know I can work at a gas station and not have to worry about getting robbd with a handgun and getting shot. I'm happy to know some kid isn't going to take his dads, uncles, grandfathers gun to school and shoot my future kids. I would be very happy if there was allowed 0 hand guns in Canada allowed and only hunting rifles with very strict laws regarding them.

Don't flame, just my opinion.

Just saying, the picture where the person posted there "protection". If you did that in the hunters course you would have been redoing the test. If your finger goes anywhere near the trigger without the intent to shoot the gun you fail.

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GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE. They need a operator to pull the trigger. The gun does what ITS TOLD TO DO. Not the guns fault EVER.

And there are laws inplace for situations like that. Your life MUST BE IN DANGER to use your gun. If you pull it out brandishing it just cause you have it, well you can end up in jail and fined, not to mention the loss of your ability to own guns.

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Now now, it's not his fault as dr del said.
In Canada it's the same way. I have never met one Canadian (who wasn't a criminal) with even the slightest desire to own a handgun. It's completely different. To be 100% honest I thought that the Americans with a desire to own a hand gun were very few and far in between.

I know that everyone keeps saying that people kill people not guns but unfortunetly I still am yet to be convinced.

When your walking through walmart and someone cuts infront of you in line you get a little bit aggrivated. In Canada sometimes an arguement can happen. (it's happened to me) sometimes aggresion can take over and you just wanna punch him in the face. Now instead, you pull that "protection" out and pop a cap in his ass.

I don't know the numbers but I'm sure a lot more people are killed in the states by hand guns then anywhere that handguns are out lawed?

But just restating my original idea. The way we were raised is handguns are bad. Handguns kill people. Only bad guys have guns. You touch a gun and someone finds out you go to jail.

I know it will sound bad to some but I am perfectly 100% happy with that. I'm happy to live somewhere that I know if I piss someone off I won't get shot. I'm happy to know I can work at a gas station and not have to worry about getting robbd with a handgun and getting shot. I'm happy to know some kid isn't going to take his dads, uncles, grandfathers gun to school and shoot my future kids. I would be very happy if there was allowed 0 hand guns in Canada allowed and only hunting rifles with very strict laws regarding them.

Don't flame, just my opinion.

Just saying, the picture where the person posted there "protection". If you did that in the hunters course you would have been redoing the test. If your finger goes anywhere near the trigger without the intent to shoot the gun you fail.

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Not going to flame you, BUT



how often do guns go shooting people...
never...ever....happened.

people whom use guns irresponsibly, are the reason for this nonsense.
Im 19 years old, grew up with guns in the household, and im sorry, ive never pulled a gun on anyone, gotten into my father's guns, or kill/shot at ANYONE.
Im a very responsible person, and know the difference between right and wrong.
if someone decides to be irresponsible, they are punished. A gun is just a piece to the puzzle, it could be anything used to kill...
I dont even own a handgun... and I cannot legally own one till im 21 years of age, but i do plan on it. I enjoy shooting...

If guns are outlawed, so should knives, bows, baseball bats, rifles, and any other weapon that could possibly harm/kill another person.

Sorry for Hijacking your thread man...
I know you just wanted to show off your new piece. haha

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Also if guns are legal, its going to be easier for the person attacking you to have a gun also. Then what? First to go down loses?

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Look, buddy, there will ALWAYS be a black market for guns! Criminals are willing to do things illegal (like acquiring an illegal gun) to do MORE illegal stuff (i.e. breaking in), while we are not. Therefore, there are two options: 1) Criminal has gun, I don't. 2) Criminal has gun, I DO. I'd prefer option 2, thank you very much!

EDIT: Sorry, Matt! This thread has been officially hijacked. Nice pickup. :gj:

You are very very very trustworthy. I don't know about you but think of it how I think about it.

How many bad drivers are there on the road? Each and every one of those people has a drivers licence that was handed to them by the state. Now if the same statistics are handed over to gun owners, don't you think the same amount of irresponsible people will own guns?

I would be pooping myself if the crazy guy beside me in line at pizza pizza had a gun on him.

And just a tid bit of information. I have never been to the US just for this reason. It scares the hell outta me that Joe blow can have a handgun hidden under his shirt. I don't blame you guys for wanting guns. It's either everyone can have a gun or nobody can have a gun. Then it's a matter of who can shot the other guy first the best.

Ahhh you guys like it your way, we like it our way. Who's to say who's right :)?

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When your walking through walmart and someone cuts infront of you in line you get a little bit aggrivated. In Canada sometimes an arguement can happen. (it's happened to me) sometimes aggresion can take over and you just wanna punch him in the face. Now instead, you pull that "protection" out and pop a cap in his ass.

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Now come on, how is that a logical leap? Knives are legal in Canada aren't they? But you don't see people getting stabbed over arguments all the time do you? Not trying to say you should love guns, just that this argument against them is unfounded. However I fully support your right to not want a gun

for everyone who is anti-gun on this thread: what are u gonna do if someone kicks ur door, tells ur wife and kids to get on the ground unless u wanna die, and tells u to give him all your stuff?
cops take time to show up. the robber has enough time to take all ur stuff, kill ur family and even erase some evidence by the time they get to ur house.
pull out a knife and ur only evenly matched. unless that guy has a gun and u dont.
pull out a gun and all u gotta do is pay for a new door and not half ur possessions. when ur life is in danger, u dont need to be thinkin about what u should do, u wanna just whip out ur 9 and get it dealt with.
dont give me all that probability 'theres a chance someone can get randomly shot" crap, u have a higher chance of getting struck by lightning while going to get a lottery ticket than actually winning it but most of u still play, right? so give us a good relevant answer.

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You are very very very trustworthy. I don't know about you but think of it how I think about it.

How many bad drivers are there on the road? Each and every one of those people has a drivers licence that was handed to them by the state. Now if the same statistics are handed over to gun owners, don't you think the same amount of irresponsible people will own guns?

I would be pooping myself if the crazy guy beside me in line at pizza pizza had a gun on him.

And just a tid bit of information. I have never been to the US just for this reason. It scares the hell outta me that Joe blow can have a handgun hidden under his shirt. I don't blame you guys for wanting guns. It's either everyone can have a gun or nobody can have a gun. Then it's a matter of who can shot the other guy first the best.

Ahhh you guys like it your way, we like it our way. Who's to say who's right :)?

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Haha i understand where your coming from..
but actually, handgun owners have to have a background check, among other things before having one.
Felons cannot own a handgun, or anyone with a criminal background of which involves harming another person.

Just because we can own guns, and many do...
very few actually carry them...

not only is getting your concealed weapons permit another background check, but without it, you cant go walking around legally with a gun tucked away. You can however legally walk around with a rifle/shotgun (anything with a barrel exceeding 18.5 inches) slung on your back, down the street, or in a park. You can also have a handgun holstered (not concealed) and legally walk around as-well. (as long as your following all laws)

Not too many do that though...
i have yet to see anyone do it in my lifetime unless it is a officer, or we are going shooting.

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Haha i understand where your coming from..
but actually, handgun owners have to have a background check, among other things before having one.
Felons cannot own a handgun, or anyone with a criminal background of which involves harming another person.

Just because we can own guns, and many do...
very few actually carry them...

not only is getting your concealed weapons permit another background check, but without it, you cant go walking around legally with a gun tucked away. You can however legally walk around with a rifle/shotgun (anything with a barrel exceeding 18.5 inches) slung on your back, down the street, or in a park. You can also have a handgun holstered (not concealed) and legally walk around as-well. (as long as your following all laws)

Not too many do that though...
i have yet to see anyone do it in my lifetime unless it is a officer, or we are going shooting.

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Thats state based for open carry. And you cant i guarantee carry a rifle or shottie around on your back in open carry unless hunting.

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Thats state based for open carry. And you cant i guarantee carry a rifle or shottie around on your back in open carry unless hunting.

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really?

well, then i am corrected, my apologies. (Thanks for my mess up) :gj:

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Now come on, how is that a logical leap? Knives are legal in Canada aren't they? But you don't see people getting stabbed over arguments all the time do you? Not trying to say you should love guns, just that this argument against them is unfounded. However I fully support your right to not want a gun

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Actually... Knives are illegal too :) hehe.

And Ryu. Where I live (Ontario) that stuff doesn't really happen. Almost never. And I have insurance. Anything that a robber takes I get the money back for and then I get that same thing, only newer. And people here don't have guns. So I don't have to worry, I have two labs and an American bulldog who doesn't like loud noises or strangers making me say "ow".

I feel safe no matter where I go. To be honest over the last five years I think the only time I didn't feel safe was when I pulled out my walletto give a homeless person in Toronto a $5 and a twenty fell out.

Sure crime happens here but barely ever.

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Actually... Knives are illegal too :) hehe.

And Ryu. Where I live (Ontario) that stuff doesn't really happen. Almost never. And I have insurance. Anything that a robber takes I get the money back for and then I get that same thing, only newer. And people here don't have guns. So I don't have to worry, I have two labs and an American bulldog who doesn't like loud noises or strangers making me say "ow".

I feel safe no matter where I go. To be honest over the last five years I think the only time I didn't feel safe was when I pulled out my walletto give a homeless person in Toronto a $5 and a twenty fell out.

Sure crime happens here but barely ever.

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well thats good, i wish it was more like that here in atlanta (i live on the outskirts in the suburbs and stuff happens here too but ill use atl as a whole) where this happens multiple times daily, enough to not even make news out of anymore. even if u dont have a gun here u wanna tell ppl u do lol. my house got robbed 3x in the past 3yrs and i thank god noone was home for any of them. now im gettin a rifle, some throwing knives, and this 500,000 volt stun rod i found in an asian market for $60 (all of which i hope i never have to use) and some cameras. the world i live in isnt so pretty, i can barely look out my damn window without checkin for illegal mexican gangbangers and broke methheads around the house even tho theres 4 cops that are paid to live in this neighborhood. i even heard on local news about a month ago that u should just leave your car unlocked and take everything out so u dont have to pay for new windows every week. it used to be quiet around here but now its turning into a hellhole. u probably dont have to worry about katrina victims from new orleans that dont even have 'law' in their vocabulary living next door either. its alot better than LA here but there are ppl actually getting killed over their shirt color now, its ridiculous. sorry if it sounds like im attacking u cause im not. i understand why u dont need a gun but theres more ppl than not that live in neighborhoods that arent as perfect and owning a gun in places like atlanta (12th most dangerous city in the US) is more than just a right.

I'm all about the S&W M&P .40 All of you that like shooting should go try to shoot one. Very accurate and feels very comfortable in the hand.

As for protection to those who are disagreeing, I would much rather have a gun and have a chance at self defense then to not have a gun and be a helpless fool. I will be a proud gun owner for life and living in Texas will help the "for life" aspect of that comment. I don't know about other states but if someone breaks into my house, good game...

In my whole life I have.

Only heard of one person getting stabbed.
Only thing I've ever had stolen was a bike on my front lawn.
Never been hustled.
Never had a gun pointed at me.


No reason for me to even consider touching a gun. I have three dogs, that's my protection lol.

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In my whole life I have.

Only heard of one person getting stabbed.
Only thing I've ever had stolen was a bike on my front lawn.
Never been hustled.
Never had a gun pointed at me.


No reason for me to even consider touching a gun. I have three dogs, that's my protection lol.

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In MY whole life I have.

Heard of people getting stabbed on the news.
Never had anything stolen.
Never been hustled.
Never had a gun pointed at me.

That doesn't mean that it can't happen!

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In my whole life I have.

Only heard of one person getting stabbed.
Only thing I've ever had stolen was a bike on my front lawn.
Never been hustled.
Never had a gun pointed at me.


No reason for me to even consider touching a gun. I have three dogs, that's my protection lol.

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Wow. i might have to take my happy ass up to canada, forget this place lol not tryna one up u or anything but heres my 20 yrs:

i cant tell u how many stabbings i have heard of (last year i saw 2 girls at the mall stabbing each other with pens over some guy just walked away shakin his head, crazy broads lol) and i actually stabbed a guy while i was getting jumped and robbed for my lunch money when i was only 7.
i've been through more than 15 bikes all of which never lasted longer than a year except 2 of them, along with countless other things ive had stolen which turned me into a klepto for a while.
been hustled a time or 2 but im smart enough to see it coming now.
had 2 handguns and a shotgun pointed at me.

i know plenty of ppl whos had much worse. im gettin out of here the first chance i get.

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Now now, it's not his fault as dr del said.
In Canada it's the same way. I have never met one Canadian (who wasn't a criminal) with even the slightest desire to own a handgun. It's completely different. To be 100% honest I thought that the Americans with a desire to own a hand gun were very few and far in between.

I know that everyone keeps saying that people kill people not guns but unfortunetly I still am yet to be convinced.

When your walking through walmart and someone cuts infront of you in line you get a little bit aggrivated. In Canada sometimes an arguement can happen. (it's happened to me) sometimes aggresion can take over and you just wanna punch him in the face. Now instead, you pull that "protection" out and pop a cap in his ass.

I don't know the numbers but I'm sure a lot more people are killed in the states by hand guns then anywhere that handguns are out lawed?

But just restating my original idea. The way we were raised is handguns are bad. Handguns kill people. Only bad guys have guns. You touch a gun and someone finds out you go to jail.

I know it will sound bad to some but I am perfectly 100% happy with that. I'm happy to live somewhere that I know if I piss someone off I won't get shot. I'm happy to know I can work at a gas station and not have to worry about getting robbd with a handgun and getting shot. I'm happy to know some kid isn't going to take his dads, uncles, grandfathers gun to school and shoot my future kids. I would be very happy if there was allowed 0 hand guns in Canada allowed and only hunting rifles with very strict laws regarding them.

Don't flame, just my opinion.

Just saying, the picture where the person posted there "protection". If you did that in the hunters course you would have been redoing the test. If your finger goes anywhere near the trigger without the intent to shoot the gun you fail.

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a. i completely checked the gun to be "safe" (empty) myself before taking the picture and also my finger is actually no where near touching the trigger... my finger is on the composite.... very observant of you...:rolleyes: ohhh and there is also no clip in the handgun....

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U forgot to add Chuck Norris to that list. lol.


Some people like to eat frogs' legs. Chuck Norris likes to eat lizard legs. Hence, snakes.


Chuck Norris' hand is the only hand that can beat a Royal Flush.
I cant help it they are soo funny sorry to hijack again..... how about one more :D


When Bruce Banner gets mad, he turns into the Hulk. When the Hulk gets mad, he turns into Chuck Norris.

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So if someone attacks you with a knife and you take your gun out, then what? You just shoot them in the face?

but I fail to see how its fun or protection.

Arnt you going to get arrested if you actually shoot the attacker?

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WHy would you presume that you are going to shoot to kill? Why can't I just shoot them in the leg or something to render them no longer a threat to my life or the lives of my family? Arrogance is the only word that comes to mind with this one.

How do you know if its fun or not? Have you tried it? Or are you one of those people who dismiss something based purely on some misconception of .... Danger in this case?

And in most states there is a law called the castle law in which if you feel that you or your family are in immediate danger from an intruder in your home you can legally shoot them. Now the complete legality of it can still be left up to a jury. I mean if someone kicks in your door and sees you and then turns to run off and you still shoot them in the back then it is the same as murder. THat of course is the worst summary of a law that I could have come up with but you get the idea. :)

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In my whole life I have.

Only heard of one person getting stabbed.
Only thing I've ever had stolen was a bike on my front lawn.
Never been hustled.
Never had a gun pointed at me.


No reason for me to even consider touching a gun. I have three dogs, that's my protection lol.

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move to new york and watch how fast your response changes. I will own at least one fire arm till the day i die. Its my right as an American and was raised around shooting\hunting. I learned to shoot from my father who did twenty plus years as a homicide\narcotics detective in the city of new york. I was brought up practicing gun safety and owning a firearm is nothing to joke about. I dont buy firearms for the so called "Cool Factor" I buy them because i enjoying shooting them with buddies of mine who have been on the force for a while now as well as spending time with my pops at the range. Ive had people attempt to rob me,steal my motorcycles, etc. I dont sleep on anyone. All your dreams can happen here or you can get killed at a stop light. That glock .45 will turn the hardest to the softest. No one will ever change my mind on owning a firearm. Home invasions are quite common over here and everyday theres another shooting which has left someone dead. Every year home invasions are more and more common. I think its time to move

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Originally Posted by sg1trogdor

WHy would you presume that you are going to shoot to kill? Why can't I just shoot them in the leg or something to render them no longer a threat to my life or the lives of my family? Arrogance is the only word that comes to mind with this one.

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If your life is truly being threatened, you shoot for center of mass, because the only way to be absolutely sure that an attacker is incapacitated is to kill them. In that stress situation, you're going to adrenaline dump, and that can limit your skill to less than what it would normally be, so you don't want to be aiming for a small/thin target. Also, unless you hit the bone in the leg (an even smaller target), you can't be sure they won't be able to keep coming at you.

Basically, if you're shooting to wound in a situation like that, you're exercising too little concern for your own safety and too much concern for your attacker's life, and it could easily get you hurt or killed.

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Originally Posted by olstyn

If your life is truly being threatened, you shoot for center of mass, because the only way to be absolutely sure that an attacker is incapacitated is to kill them. In that stress situation, you're going to adrenaline dump, and that can limit your skill to less than what it would normally be, so you don't want to be aiming for a small/thin target. Also, unless you hit the bone in the leg (an even smaller target), you can't be sure they won't be able to keep coming at you.

Basically, if you're shooting to wound in a situation like that, you're exercising too little concern for your own safety and too much concern for your attacker's life, and it could easily get you hurt or killed.

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couldnt agree more with this...:gj:

Coming to the thread way late. Not a fan of CZ but congrats on the purchase.

A firearm is a tool. Nothing more. Having it while hunting can bring you home dinner and having one in a self defense situation can save your life.

On the subject of concealed or open carry. Having a firearm gives you an option. When a situation arises where someone is threatening your life, without the proper tools, you don't have have alot of choices. There are other nonlethal options which is great depending on the user but a firearm is just a tool which can give you the option to defend your life or your families.

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Originally Posted by olstyn

Basically, if you're shooting to wound in a situation like that, you're exercising too little concern for your own safety and too much concern for your attacker's life, and it could easily get you hurt or killed.

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Now this is a hot topic. If you tell the judge that you shot joe crackhead to kill you will probably be charged with murder. In a self defense situation you want to deescalate as quickly as possible. If you have to use lethal force, shoot to stop the threat. That may take one shot or several. To top it off you better be the one making the 911 call and requesting a paramedic to save your attackers life.

not to mention, this is America... if you wounded someone, they would probably try to sue you... and depending on the judge, they could win.

Amusing thread, especially the responses from Europe/Canada. Congrats on the CZ although I prefer to carry a Glock. :D

Nice pick up!

I've fired one of those a few times and it's a very nice weapon. The weight is big selling point for me.

My normal go-to side arm is Sig Sauer P220R Compact. I've been a Sig girl for years, but the CZ's might sway me over time.

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Now this is a hot topic. If you tell the judge that you shot joe crackhead to kill you will probably be charged with murder. In a self defense situation you want to deescalate as quickly as possible. If you have to use lethal force, shoot to stop the threat. That may take one shot or several. To top it off you better be the one making the 911 call and requesting a paramedic to save your attackers life.

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Actually, and this is coming from an Alabama State Trooper friend of mine, if someone attacks you with intent to harm or kill you have every right to shoot to kill. Alabama law affirms a person's right to defend their life with deadly force wherever they are. I can't speak for other states though.

This would be me shooting a gun.
YouTube - chick hit in face by gun

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This would be me shooting a gun.
YouTube - chick hit in face by gun

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I can't see the video since I’m at work, but one of my "city boy" buddies hit himself in the forehead the other day with the scope of a high-powered rifle. I assume this was his first time shooting. He said he propped the rifle up on a deck railing to steady it, and I assume he didn't place it against his shoulder before shooting. It jerked back and hit him in the eye / forehead. It put a pretty big gash in his forehead. He was pretty embarrassed. I told him he should just tell people he got in a bar fight or something. :rofl:

Nice gun.

I have been thinking of a pistol for home protection lately. I have hunting rifles but nothing easily accessable in time of danger. After that article came out about New Orleans being one of the highest crime cities in the world....I just can't rely on someone else to keep me and my family safe. Then on second thought, if someone was breaking into my home....I really wonder if I could get to the gun in time.


I like the comparision to guns and snakes. It is never the 'good' people that obey the laws and keep things properly that you hear about. Most of the news coverage of snake attacks or guns killing people....all revolve around a criminal, an idiot, or some ignorant fool. If laws are passed, the only restrict the 'good' people....the criminals, idiots and fools will still do as they please.

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Originally Posted by sg1trogdor

WHy would you presume that you are going to shoot to kill? Why can't I just shoot them in the leg or something to render them no longer a threat to my life or the lives of my family? Arrogance is the only word that comes to mind with this one.

How do you know if its fun or not? Have you tried it? Or are you one of those people who dismiss something based purely on some misconception of .... Danger in this case?

And in most states there is a law called the castle law in which if you feel that you or your family are in immediate danger from an intruder in your home you can legally shoot them. Now the complete legality of it can still be left up to a jury. I mean if someone kicks in your door and sees you and then turns to run off and you still shoot them in the back then it is the same as murder. THat of course is the worst summary of a law that I could have come up with but you get the idea. :)

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If you take a CCW class they train you SHOOT TO KILL, ILLUMINATE THE THREAT. A wounded suspect is a suspect that sues you for bodily harm. Your word against a dead guys in court.

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Originally Posted by olstyn

If your life is truly being threatened, you shoot for center of mass, because the only way to be absolutely sure that an attacker is incapacitated is to kill them. In that stress situation, you're going to adrenaline dump, and that can limit your skill to less than what it would normally be, so you don't want to be aiming for a small/thin target. Also, unless you hit the bone in the leg (an even smaller target), you can't be sure they won't be able to keep coming at you.

Basically, if you're shooting to wound in a situation like that, you're exercising too little concern for your own safety and too much concern for your attacker's life, and it could easily get you hurt or killed.

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thats when u shoot around around the waist. plenty of bone there:twocents: