playing with a clown.

:D my first picture ever posted( i photoshopped it and its not mine)

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...3/clown551.jpg

Again....posting someone elses picture.....

First picture to come up on Google Search.

People dont like when you use their pictures without their permission......not the first thread that you have been told this too....

15 or not....common sense STILL applies to you.

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:D my first picture ever posted( i photoshopped it and its not mine)

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And I assume the owner of the picture authorize it's use?

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13. Respect bandwidth, copyrights, and ownership. Do not "hot-link" images from other websites or post copyrighted material without the express, written permission of the owner.

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i mentioned it was not mine mine, i thought i could do that.:(

im really sorry, i wont post pictures from google or anywhere but my own home aggen.

Cut him some slack. :) He's new and probably unaware on what is looked down upon in this hobby.

This is actually funny that you bring that subject up. If you guys are into using photos with or without permission then maybe you should sent a message to one of the moderators of this web-site.

I don't think it is appropiate to use other breeders photos and claim that the animals in question belongs to him. That does not sound right, does it?

I'm thinking about the pied and caramel on this web-site as I'm pretty sure that NERD were the original photographer the animals.:

http://www.wildmorphs.com/coll.html

Origin of the original photos.:

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ollection.html

Are you done lying YET? "The first picture you ever posted", can we kick people off this site?

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Cut him some slack. :) He's new and probably unaware on what is looked down upon in this hobby.

This is actually funny that you bring that subject up. If you guys are into using photos with or without permission then maybe you should sent a message to one of the moderators of this web-site.

I don't think it is appropiate to use other breeders photos and claim that the animals in question belongs to him. That does not sound right, does it?

I'm thinking about the pied and caramel on this web-site as I'm pretty sure that NERD were the original photographer the animals.:

http://www.wildmorphs.com/coll.html

Origin of the original photos.:

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ollection.html

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The slack was cut in his first thread. The animal pictured was his pride and joy:rolleyes:
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...54#post1241954

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Originally Posted by Ouroboros

Cut him some slack. :) He's new and probably unaware on what is looked down upon in this hobby.

This is actually funny that you bring that subject up. If you guys are into using photos with or without permission then maybe you should sent a message to one of the moderators of this web-site.

I don't think it is appropiate to use other breeders photos and claim that the animals in question belongs to him. That does not sound right, does it?

I'm thinking about the pied and caramel on this web-site as I'm pretty sure that NERD were the original photographer the animals.:

http://www.wildmorphs.com/coll.html

Origin of the original photos.:

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ollection.html

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Prior to sticking your foot in your mouth on open forum you might want to PM someone to make sure your not going to make a compete ass out of yourself.

1: I never claim that the caramel or the Hypo mojave were mine the site reads "We're working with a group of hets to produce these little gems. Look for them to be hitting the available page in seasons to come"

2: Again prior to biting off more than you can chew I suggest you check you facts there bud. I have permission from my close personal friends Kevin and Kara to use the photos if I would like to. If you want to check that feel free to call Kara and ask her for yourself..
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-...82403_8760.jpg

3: Depending on the pied pic you speak of again I have permission to use the button pic.. but the other pied pic is mine.
http://hphotos-snc1.fbcdn.net/hs198...._2985310_n.jpg

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...d/DSC_0445.jpg

I never laid claim to owning the animals nor did I use them with out permission..

Have a nice day.

Trying to call out a super mod, nice :rofl:

I didn't even notice that was your website he/she was exemplifying. Gosh that's funny!

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Trying to call out a super mod, nice :rofl:

I didn't even notice that was your website he/she was exemplifying. Gosh that's funny!

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It's all good..A Pm to ask about it before posting to make sure they were right would have been nice. It would have avoided making such a public accusation..but this way works too.

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Cut him some slack. :) He's new and probably unaware on what is looked down upon in this hobby.

This is actually funny that you bring that subject up. If you guys are into using photos with or without permission then maybe you should sent a message to one of the moderators of this web-site.

I don't think it is appropiate to use other breeders photos and claim that the animals in question belongs to him. That does not sound right, does it?

I'm thinking about the pied and caramel on this web-site as I'm pretty sure that NERD were the original photographer the animals.:

http://www.wildmorphs.com/coll.html

Origin of the original photos.:

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ollection.html

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Kara happens to be one of my very best friends, and she's also very good friends with Ed, who is the owner of Wildmorphs.

I know for a fact that Kara has given Ed permission to use NERD stock photos for his site, as she has for me as well (although I have not used any NERD stock photos for my site). In fact, I know of quite a few smaller breeders who have asked and been given permission to use NERD stock photos.

The difference between you trying to call out a staff member and what the OP did was that the staff member did the responsible thing and got permission to use the original photographer's stock photos for their site, whereas the OP has a history of using other people's photographs without giving them credit or providing direct links.

In fact, a day after he joined here, he tried to pass off a Mike Wilbanks animal as his own and only laughed it off when he was called out on it. And then said on January 11th that he only had a pastel and he thought he needed to impress us. It's interesting to me that his signature lists more than just a pastel, especially when he claims his mojave didn't eat for the six months he's had him (but he also refers to him as a girl in other posts).

It's just very hard to keep track of this user's "truths", and while he's young and trying to fit in, he's also blissfully unaware for some reason that trying to impress us, doesn't impress us at all. And the fact that he has posted other people's animals without getting permission or giving them credit on multiple occasions just makes people look at him more critically.

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It's all good..A Pm to ask about it before posting to make sure they were right would have been nice. It would have avoided making such a public accusation..but this way works too.

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This way is much more fun. :D

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Prior to sticking your foot in your mouth on open forum you might want to PM someone to make sure your not going to make a compete ass out of yourself.

1: I never claim that the caramel or the Hypo mojave were mine the site reads "We're working with a group of hets to produce these little gems. Look for them to be hitting the available page in seasons to come"

2: Again prior to biting off more than you can chew I suggest you check you facts there bud. I have permission from my close personal friends Kevin and Kara to use the photos if I would like to. If you want to check that feel free to call Kara and ask her for yourself..
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-...82403_8760.jpg

3: Depending on the pied pic you speak of again I have permission to use the button pic.. but the other pied pic is mine.
http://hphotos-snc1.fbcdn.net/hs198...._2985310_n.jpg

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...d/DSC_0445.jpg

I never laid claim to owning the animals nor did I use them with out permission..

Have a nice day.

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Hold your horses, sweetie. It says collection on your web-site and it doesn't say anything about a permission from NERD about using the photos in question. It is therefore likely for a person, unfamiliar with your relation to the great folks at NERD, to get the impression that the photos has been used without permission. If anyone goes to a breeders or collectors web-site and clicks on 'collection' - then you expect the person to show of his own animals.

I only use my own animals and photos of my animals. That includes photos taken by the breeder with his/hers permission (only) or by myself and I bet a whole lot of other people does it.

For instance if we click on the 'Wikipedia for ball pythons' (worldofballpythons) then we could for instance click on the 'Blanchi'. http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/blanchi/

Everything is in great order. Right refference and even a direct link to the breeders web-site. It doesn't do that your web-site and therefore it is most likely for someone to make a conclusion like this. Wouldn't you also draw this conclusion if I posted a photo of the exact same animal like another breeder has? Please note that I didn't mention anything about the HypoMojave - you said it, not I. ;)

The only thing I can say is that I'm sorry for the trouble and I do this only to minimize a potential abuse of other peoples photos.

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Trying to call out a super mod, nice :rofl:

I didn't even notice that was your website he/she was exemplifying. Gosh that's funny!

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There's no difference between a potential perpetrator in my world. :)

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There's no difference between a potential perpetrator in my world. :)

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Except next time you might want to think before posting, obviously there are a lot of things you do not know like the fact that some pictures are used with permission of the original owner.

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The slack was cut in his first thread. The animal pictured was his pride and joy:rolleyes:
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...54#post1241954

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I didn't know that. I was under the impression that he was a noob and therefore unawre of the 'do' and 'don't' on forums like this. But thanks for the refference... I haven't seen that one.

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Except next time you might want to think before posting, obviously there are a lot of things you do not know like the fact that some pictures are used with permission of the original owner.

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You're right about the first part and I've admitted my mistake. :) But I would normally create a refference or set 5 minutes apart and take a photo of my own animals.

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Originally Posted by Ouroboros

Hold your horses, sweetie. It says collection on your web-site and it doesn't say anything about a permission from NERD about using the photos in question. It is therefore likely for a person, unfamiliar with your relation to the great folks at NERD, to get the impression that the photos has been used without permission. If anyone goes to a breeders or collectors web-site and clicks on 'collection' - then you expect the person to show of his own animals.

I only use my own animals and photos of my animals. That includes photos taken by the breeder with his/hers permission (only) or by myself and I bet a whole lot of other people does it.

For instance if we click on the 'Wikipedia for ball pythons' (worldofballpythons) then we could for instance click on the 'Blanchi'. http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/blanchi/

Everything is in great order. Right refference and even a direct link to the breeders web-site. It doesn't do that your web-site and therefore it is most likely for someone to make a conclusion like this. Wouldn't you also draw this conclusion if I posted a photo of the exact same animal like another breeder has? Please note that I didn't mention anything about the HypoMojave - you said it, not I. ;)

The only thing I can say is that I'm sorry for the trouble and I do this only to minimize a potential abuse of other peoples photos.

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Apology excepted and you didn't cause any trouble.

If a breeder posts a picture on a public forum, they are putting that picture out there for everyone to see. You shouldn't have to seek "permission" to use that same picture in any other public forum as long as done appropriately.


Someone posts..."What does a Super Pastel Clown look like ??"

I do an internet seach and post a couple photos (as well as the cool video of the Super Pastel Clown). No one should have a problem with posting this.


Now if I use the pictures on my website, business cards, t-shirts, etc, that is something completely different. If I use someone else's photo and claim it is my snake, that is wrong as well.

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Originally Posted by JayCee

If a breeder posts a picture on a public forum, they are putting that picture out there for everyone to see. You shouldn't have to seek "permission" to use that same picture in any other public forum as long as done appropriately.


Someone posts..."What does a Super Pastel Clown look like ??"

I do an internet seach and post a couple photos (as well as the cool video of the Super Pastel Clown). No one should have a problem with posting this.


Now if I use the pictures on my website, business cards, t-shirts, etc, that is something completely different. If I use someone else's photo and claim it is my snake, that is wrong as well.

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While your opinion is appreciated, the rules of this site are clearly posted in the TOS that every member agreed to when they signed up. They are in bold in Robin's post above. We're not talking about laws or ideas here. We're talking about this site and it's rules.

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If a breeder posts a picture on a public forum, they are putting that picture out there for everyone to see. You shouldn't have to seek "permission" to use that same picture in any other public forum as long as done appropriately.

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Negative. Just because an image is in a public forum, does not open that image (or other works) to free public use, unless specified by the original poster of course.

Who deems that the use is appropriate anyways? The person posting someone else’s work? That doesn’t seem right.

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Originally Posted by JayCee

If a breeder posts a picture on a public forum, they are putting that picture out there for everyone to see. You shouldn't have to seek "permission" to use that same picture in any other public forum as long as done appropriately.


Someone posts..."What does a Super Pastel Clown look like ??"

I do an internet seach and post a couple photos (as well as the cool video of the Super Pastel Clown). No one should have a problem with posting this.


Now if I use the pictures on my website, business cards, t-shirts, etc, that is something completely different. If I use someone else's photo and claim it is my snake, that is wrong as well.

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Actually you should and for various reasons.

1# It is against our TOS as stated above in my post, those are the TOS each an everyone agrees on upon signing.

2# Common sense would tell you that you should not use other people's property without their consent..........that's called respect and common courtesy.

On a personal level when I post pictures MY animals taken by ME this does not mean I allow people to use those pictures and repost them on any forum.

Those are MY pictures and therefore if they are posted by someone it will likely be by ME unless I gave the permission to someone to use or repost those pictures.

Do I give permission to people to use my pictures?

Yes I do all the time including to my customers who receive full right to the pictures of the animal they purchased, however if I see one of my pictures posted on a forum, myspace, facebook etc and I was not ask for permission I will have that picture taken down........... simple as that for the reason mentioned above respect and courtesy. ;)

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Hold your horses, sweetie.......

The only thing I can say is that I'm sorry for the trouble and I do this only to minimize a potential abuse of other peoples photos.

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Anyhow, i feel u Ouroboros, and know where ur coming from!
Great with a n00b-protector! :gj:

I understand how u guys feel about your pictures and stuff, but i still think people are overreacting a bit to be honest with all this copyright-stuff, jesus, it's just some pictures :cool:

When i someday become the worlds biggest bp-breeder, everyone can (ab)use my pictures as much as they want!

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Originally Posted by flynn

Negative. Just because an image is in a public forum, does not open that image (or other works) to free public use, unless specified by the original poster of course.

Who deems that the use is appropriate anyways? The person posting someone else’s work? That doesn’t seem right.

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Agree. :)

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Originally Posted by Rasmus Skaaning

Anyhow, i feel u Ouroboros, and know where ur coming from!
Great with a n00b-protector! :gj:

I understand how u guys feel about your pictures and stuff, but i still think people are overreacting a bit to be honest with all this copyright-stuff, jesus, it's just some pictures :cool:

When i someday become the worlds biggest bp-breeder, everyone can (ab)use my pictures as much as they want!

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Thanks. Everyone has made some rookie mistakes once or twice. Of course there's a difference from a single or second make and a mistake that is done on purpose.

There's some copy-right issues, questions about compensation and a lot more but I haven't had those subjects yet. I can't wait though! :)

Good luck with it. :) You're probably going to need a farm with room enough for 3000+ ball pythons.

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Originally Posted by Rasmus Skaaning

Anyhow, i feel u Ouroboros, and know where ur coming from!
Great with a n00b-protector! :gj:

I understand how u guys feel about your pictures and stuff, but i still think people are overreacting a bit to be honest with all this copyright-stuff, jesus, it's just some pictures :cool:

When i someday become the worlds biggest bp-breeder, everyone can (ab)use my pictures as much as they want!

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So, let me get this straight. Hypothetically speaking: I have this pastel, but she's been burned by a heat rock, and is a little skinny. I don't want her anymore, but she doesn't look that good. Do you mind if I post an add with one of your snakes pictures? Oh, or I could take one of the pictures from NERD, they have such gorgeous animals. I'm sure I could use that pic and make a quick sale!

If you don't want to copy-write your material, that's fine. Don't criticize others for wanting to keep unique pictures of their animals for themselves. There is nothing wrong with obtaining permission.

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So, let me get this straight. Hypothetically speaking: I have this pastel, but she's been burned by a heat rock, and is a little skinny. I don't want her anymore, but she doesn't look that good. Do you mind if I post an add with one of your snakes pictures? Oh, or I could take one of the pictures from NERD, they have such gorgeous animals. I'm sure I could use that pic and make a quick sale!

If you don't want to copy-write your material, that's fine. Don't criticize others for wanting to keep unique pictures of their animals for themselves. There is nothing wrong with obtaining permission.

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I like these kind of questions. 1) I pressume the buyer has a normal vision and would therefore spot that the animal in question isn't the same animal as shown on the hypothetical photo. I've spent big and I always check my animals. Caveat emptor as we say in college.

Though luck for the buyer. There's also a few other ways to deal with this problem.

2) The buyer would also according to Danish Law (Aftaleloven og Købeloven) be able to sue the seller for fraud despite not living up to the principal of Caveat Emptor, § 47 in Købeloven. I don't know the English word for the laws mentioned.

3) If he someday becomes a big breeder and spots one of his signature morphs or something else then he could turn the malicious seller in to the police. And also start a case for copy-right infringement if certain things are lived up to.

He can't be held responsible for some mischief comitted by a person without him having any relation to the guy. He'll also probably get notified by some buyers or breeders about the abuse of his photo. Advertisers and breeders on forum normally only has one 1 user name.

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So, let me get this straight. Hypothetically speaking: I have this pastel, but she's been burned by a heat rock, and is a little skinny. I don't want her anymore, but she doesn't look that good. Do you mind if I post an add with one of your snakes pictures? Oh, or I could take one of the pictures from NERD, they have such gorgeous animals. I'm sure I could use that pic and make a quick sale!

If you don't want to copy-write your material, that's fine. Don't criticize others for wanting to keep unique pictures of their animals for themselves. There is nothing wrong with obtaining permission.

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I was talking about taking a picture from NERD, photoshop it a bit, and then show it to some people on a forum.
I never critized anyone for wanting that, but i just cant understand people taking it so serious :cool:

If someone tried to scam other people with a pic of my snake, i wouldnt think it was okay because he tried to scam, but it wouldnt ruin my nightsleep at all that he used my pic!

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Actually you should and for various reasons.

1# It is against our TOS as stated above in my post, those are the TOS each an everyone agrees on upon signing.

2# Common sense would tell you that you should not use other people's property without their consent..........that's called respect and common courtesy.

On a personal level when I post pictures MY animals taken by ME this does not mean I allow people to use those pictures and repost them on any forum.

Those are MY pictures and therefore if they are posted by someone it will likely be by ME unless I gave the permission to someone to use or repost those pictures.

Do I give permission to people to use my pictures?

Yes I do all the time including to my customers who receive full right to the pictures of the animal they purchased, however if I see one of my pictures posted on a forum, myspace, facebook etc and I was not ask for permission I will have that picture taken down........... simple as that for the reason mentioned above respect and courtesy. ;)

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:gj: Agree with the above.

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but i still think people are overreacting a bit to be honest with all this copyright-stuff

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Sounds like criticizing to me. There are so many things that people can do with pictures now (bad things). If my mojo's reduced pattern turns out to be genetic, I wouldn't want anyone using his pictures as their own.

Besides, it's not like they are asking for a lot. "Hey, can use your photo to play around with photo shop? I just want to see what i can do." Is it breaking your back?

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Originally Posted by Rasmus Skaaning

I was talking about taking a picture from NERD, photoshop it a bit, and then show it to some people on a forum.
I never critized anyone for wanting that, but i just cant understand people taking it so serious :cool:

If someone tried to scam other people with a pic of my snake, i wouldnt think it was okay because he tried to scam, but it wouldnt ruin my nightsleep at all that he used my pic!

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It's called basic respect. It's what is considered good manners. Don't take what's not yours. Ask for permission and when permission is granted - have at it.

i know i mentioned it was not mine....... i had no idea it was that serious.:rainon::sigh2:

I think the bottom line is the rule of the website. Don't use pictures that aren't yours. If you have a problem with it, maybe you should have read the TOS when you clicked "I agree". This website is VERY well established, and most likely isn't going to change a rule that alot of people respect, because of few people don't like it.

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i think the bottom line is the rule of the website. Don't use pictures that aren't yours. If you have a problem with it, maybe you should have read the tos when you clicked "i agree". This website is very well established, and most likely isn't going to change a rule that alot of people respect, because of few people don't like it.

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+1

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Originally Posted by Rasmus Skaaning

Anyhow, i feel u Ouroboros, and know where ur coming from!
Great with a n00b-protector! :gj:

I understand how u guys feel about your pictures and stuff, but i still think people are overreacting a bit to be honest with all this copyright-stuff, jesus, it's just some pictures :cool:

When i someday become the worlds biggest bp-breeder, everyone can (ab)use my pictures as much as they want!

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These pictures to some people, are their livelyhood. For someone to come along and 'steal' them off of the net is very wrong to do. My fiance's dad is a professional photographer and makes a living by selling photo's to magazines, websites, etc. I can totally understand why people are bothered by this. To many people they aren't "just some pictures".

WOW lol

And how many of you have popped a cassette in a cassette player and recorded a song? Or burned off a CD, or DVD? Or downloaded a torrent for any kind of program? All of these are TECHNICALLY ILLEGAL, but it is done all the time, but I bet you don't think of yourselves as criminals??? Anyway in case you don't know, if you are really worried about someone using one of your pics you can HTML code it so it can't be copied!!!!

Hi,

Those are also against the terms of the site as listed in the sites T.O.S.

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8. No posts promoting illegal behavior will be tolerated, including but not limited to warez/pirating of copyrighted material, illegal drug or alcohol usage, and illegal ownership or trafficking of species.

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And, sorry, but if it can be seen on the net it can be copied - do not rely on any html code to keep your pictures safe from reproduction. Watermark your images in a way that cannot be easily cropped out - Deborah did a nice tutorial on that using freely available software.


dr del

:gj:The rules are the rules. You can disagree but it is still the rules of the website. Sure their are tons of ppl that do things they shouldn't all the time. Doesn't mean it is ok or should be just accepted or the rules here should be ignored or changed. Just how it is.....embrace it and move on :gj:

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And how many of you have popped a cassette in a cassette player and recorded a song? Or burned off a CD, or DVD? Or downloaded a torrent for any kind of program? All of these are TECHNICALLY ILLEGAL, but it is done all the time, but I bet you don't think of yourselves as criminals??? Anyway in case you don't know, if you are really worried about someone using one of your pics you can HTML code it so it can't be copied!!!!

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First because YOU do it does not mean everyone does it, I pay for my music downloads and buy my movies. (Obviously this is someone's work and I believe they should be compensated for their work)

Now as far as your HTML code that would prevent a picture from being copied...........yeah right it does not work.

The bottom line is to respect other's property even if the property in question is a media file.

But I guess those days respect and courtesy is way over-rated with some people :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Deborah

First because YOU do it does not mean everyone does it, I pay for my music downloads and buy my movies. (Obviously this is someone's work and I believe they should be compensated for their work)

Now as far as your HTML code that would prevent a picture from being copied...........yeah right it does not work.

The bottom line is to respect other's property even if the property in question is a media file.

But I guess those days respect and courtesy is way over-rated with some people :rolleyes:

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Amen! :gj:

cant believe this is still going on

WOW too much time wasted on this

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WOW too much time wasted on this

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Agreed...I had to make a post to jump into one of the bestestess threads I happened upon in a while. Just sayin hi. Thanks for the read everyone! what a ride! Keep it going!

ummmm...what's a copyright? :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Ouroboros

Cut him some slack. :) He's new and probably unaware on what is looked down upon in this hobby.

This is actually funny that you bring that subject up. If you guys are into using photos with or without permission then maybe you should sent a message to one of the moderators of this web-site.

I don't think it is appropiate to use other breeders photos and claim that the animals in question belongs to him. That does not sound right, does it?

I'm thinking about the pied and caramel on this web-site as I'm pretty sure that NERD were the original photographer the animals.:

http://www.wildmorphs.com/coll.html

Origin of the original photos.:

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ollection.html

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Cool your heels there, sparky. Ed asked permission to use those photos LONG before he ever posted them on his website. How's that bit about "assuming" go again?

Make sure you know what's what before you go pointing fingers.

Just setting the record straight...