playing with a clown.

[rabernet]

Cut him some slack. He's new and probably unaware on what is looked down upon in this hobby.

This is actually funny that you bring that subject up. If you guys are into using photos with or without permission then maybe you should sent a message to one of the moderators of this web-site.

I don't think it is appropiate to use other breeders photos and claim that the animals in question belongs to him. That does not sound right, does it?

I'm thinking about the pied and caramel on this web-site as I'm pretty sure that NERD were the original photographer the animals.:

http://www.wildmorphs.com/coll.html

Origin of the original photos.:

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ollection.html

Kara happens to be one of my very best friends, and she's also very good friends with Ed, who is the owner of Wildmorphs.

I know for a fact that Kara has given Ed permission to use NERD stock photos for his site, as she has for me as well (although I have not used any NERD stock photos for my site). In fact, I know of quite a few smaller breeders who have asked and been given permission to use NERD stock photos.

The difference between you trying to call out a staff member and what the OP did was that the staff member did the responsible thing and got permission to use the original photographer's stock photos for their site, whereas the OP has a history of using other people's photographs without giving them credit or providing direct links.

In fact, a day after he joined here, he tried to pass off a Mike Wilbanks animal as his own and only laughed it off when he was called out on it. And then said on January 11th that he only had a pastel and he thought he needed to impress us. It's interesting to me that his signature lists more than just a pastel, especially when he claims his mojave didn't eat for the six months he's had him (but he also refers to him as a girl in other posts).

It's just very hard to keep track of this user's "truths", and while he's young and trying to fit in, he's also blissfully unaware for some reason that trying to impress us, doesn't impress us at all. And the fact that he has posted other people's animals without getting permission or giving them credit on multiple occasions just makes people look at him more critically.

[SlitherinSisters]

It's all good..A Pm to ask about it before posting to make sure they were right would have been nice. It would have avoided making such a public accusation..but this way works too.

This way is much more fun.

[Ouroboros]

Prior to sticking your foot in your mouth on open forum you might want to PM someone to make sure your not going to make a compete ass out of yourself.

1: I never claim that the caramel or the Hypo mojave were mine the site reads "We're working with a group of hets to produce these little gems. Look for them to be hitting the available page in seasons to come"

2: Again prior to biting off more than you can chew I suggest you check you facts there bud. I have permission from my close personal friends Kevin and Kara to use the photos if I would like to. If you want to check that feel free to call Kara and ask her for yourself..


3: Depending on the pied pic you speak of again I have permission to use the button pic.. but the other pied pic is mine.




I never laid claim to owning the animals nor did I use them with out permission..

Have a nice day.

Hold your horses, sweetie. It says collection on your web-site and it doesn't say anything about a permission from NERD about using the photos in question. It is therefore likely for a person, unfamiliar with your relation to the great folks at NERD, to get the impression that the photos has been used without permission. If anyone goes to a breeders or collectors web-site and clicks on 'collection' - then you expect the person to show of his own animals.

I only use my own animals and photos of my animals. That includes photos taken by the breeder with his/hers permission (only) or by myself and I bet a whole lot of other people does it.

For instance if we click on the 'Wikipedia for ball pythons' (worldofballpythons) then we could for instance click on the 'Blanchi'. http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/blanchi/

Everything is in great order. Right refference and even a direct link to the breeders web-site. It doesn't do that your web-site and therefore it is most likely for someone to make a conclusion like this. Wouldn't you also draw this conclusion if I posted a photo of the exact same animal like another breeder has? Please note that I didn't mention anything about the HypoMojave - you said it, not I.

The only thing I can say is that I'm sorry for the trouble and I do this only to minimize a potential abuse of other peoples photos.

[Ouroboros]

Trying to call out a super mod, nice

I didn't even notice that was your website he/she was exemplifying. Gosh that's funny!

There's no difference between a potential perpetrator in my world.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

There's no difference between a potential perpetrator in my world.

Except next time you might want to think before posting, obviously there are a lot of things you do not know like the fact that some pictures are used with permission of the original owner.

[Ouroboros]

The slack was cut in his first thread. The animal pictured was his pride and joy
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...54#post1241954

I didn't know that. I was under the impression that he was a noob and therefore unawre of the 'do' and 'don't' on forums like this. But thanks for the refference... I haven't seen that one.

[Ouroboros]

Except next time you might want to think before posting, obviously there are a lot of things you do not know like the fact that some pictures are used with permission of the original owner.

You're right about the first part and I've admitted my mistake. But I would normally create a refference or set 5 minutes apart and take a photo of my own animals.

[Freakie_frog]

Hold your horses, sweetie. It says collection on your web-site and it doesn't say anything about a permission from NERD about using the photos in question. It is therefore likely for a person, unfamiliar with your relation to the great folks at NERD, to get the impression that the photos has been used without permission. If anyone goes to a breeders or collectors web-site and clicks on 'collection' - then you expect the person to show of his own animals.

I only use my own animals and photos of my animals. That includes photos taken by the breeder with his/hers permission (only) or by myself and I bet a whole lot of other people does it.

For instance if we click on the 'Wikipedia for ball pythons' (worldofballpythons) then we could for instance click on the 'Blanchi'. http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/blanchi/

Everything is in great order. Right refference and even a direct link to the breeders web-site. It doesn't do that your web-site and therefore it is most likely for someone to make a conclusion like this. Wouldn't you also draw this conclusion if I posted a photo of the exact same animal like another breeder has? Please note that I didn't mention anything about the HypoMojave - you said it, not I.

The only thing I can say is that I'm sorry for the trouble and I do this only to minimize a potential abuse of other peoples photos.

Apology excepted and you didn't cause any trouble.

[JayCee]

If a breeder posts a picture on a public forum, they are putting that picture out there for everyone to see. You shouldn't have to seek "permission" to use that same picture in any other public forum as long as done appropriately.


Someone posts..."What does a Super Pastel Clown look like ??"

I do an internet seach and post a couple photos (as well as the cool video of the Super Pastel Clown). No one should have a problem with posting this.


Now if I use the pictures on my website, business cards, t-shirts, etc, that is something completely different. If I use someone else's photo and claim it is my snake, that is wrong as well.

[waltah!]

If a breeder posts a picture on a public forum, they are putting that picture out there for everyone to see. You shouldn't have to seek "permission" to use that same picture in any other public forum as long as done appropriately.


Someone posts..."What does a Super Pastel Clown look like ??"

I do an internet seach and post a couple photos (as well as the cool video of the Super Pastel Clown). No one should have a problem with posting this.


Now if I use the pictures on my website, business cards, t-shirts, etc, that is something completely different. If I use someone else's photo and claim it is my snake, that is wrong as well.

While your opinion is appreciated, the rules of this site are clearly posted in the TOS that every member agreed to when they signed up. They are in bold in Robin's post above. We're not talking about laws or ideas here. We're talking about this site and it's rules.