What is going on??

Ok first off here is my other thread about my pastel not going into his hides and some other stuff.
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...d.php?t=107920
NOW he goes in his hides and w/e and seems to be a happy BP an all. HE STILL WON"T EAT!!! Feeding night was tonight. I have been told feed live feed live. So I bought the smallest mouse that they had at the store. Let the mouse sit on top of the enclosure for the scent to kick in and 30 min later here comes Naga see what's up tongue flicking and all. So I give it 15 more min to entice him. So I then open the top and grab the mouse by the tail and put it in front of him. He is scared silly! As soon as it got near him he coiled back and moved in the opposite direction. So I was like ok let try it again, gave the mouse a little flick on the head to claim it down so it dangled there and no dice. So I'm like alright I'll kill it and leave it in the enclosure for a while (10 min) and see what he does. He took ONE strike at it and missed and then after that no dice. Licked it, nosed it, ever thing. Nothing happened. So I'm annoyed cuz this is the SECOND refusal so I take him out and see if I put only him and the mouse in a tub will it work. NOPE! He CUDDLED with the damn thing. :mad:So now he is back in the enclosure with no food just chillin.
PS I did have the lights on when I was feeding but didn't know if that would make a difference.

NEED HELP!!!!
Just as some background the same was started on Frozen mice fuzzies. But A dead mouse should be the same thing. Help me with anything. Tried the methods just don't get what is his deal. He comes out but doesn't eat. Help is needed and I thank you all in advance for it.

Here are some pics of comparison, maybe the mouse was to big but I thought he would have given it a try or something......
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...6/SSPX0180.jpg

I know this will come up so here are the temps:
Ambient all around is about 81-83
Cool hide is 74-77
Hot hide is 90-94
Humidity is 50% (It is low I know)

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Originally Posted by Vader6

Ok first off here is my other thread about my pastel not going into his hides and some other stuff.
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...d.php?t=107920
NOW he goes in his hides and w/e and seems to be a happy BP an all. HE STILL WON"T EAT!!! Feeding night was tonight. I have been told feed live feed live. So I bought the smallest mouse that they had at the store. Let the mouse sit on top of the enclosure for the scent to kick in and 30 min later here comes Naga see what's up tongue flicking and all. So I give it 15 more min to entice him. So I then open the top and grab the mouse by the tail and put it in front of him. He is scared silly! As soon as it got near him he coiled back and moved in the opposite direction. So I was like ok let try it again, gave the mouse a little flick on the head to claim it down so it dangled there and no dice. So I'm like alright I'll kill it and leave it in the enclosure for a while (10 min) and see what he does. He took ONE strike at it and missed and then after that no dice. Licked it, nosed it, ever thing. Nothing happened. So I'm annoyed cuz this is the SECOND refusal so I take him out and see if I put only him and the mouse in a tub will it work. NOPE! He CUDDLED with the damn thing. :mad:So now he is back in the enclosure with no food just chillin.
PS I did have the lights on when I was feeding but didn't know if that would make a difference.

NEED HELP!!!!

Here are some pics of comparison, maybe the mouse was to big but I thought he would have given it a try or something......
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...6/SSPX0180.jpg

I know this will come up so here are the temps:
Ambient all around is about 81-83
Cool hide is 74-77
Hot hide is 90-94
Humidity is 50% (It is low I know)

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Basically, most hatchlings will not eat unless they feel secure added: he was coming out to investigate and then you interrupted and killed the mouse?

I would start feeding him in his enclosure until he became more confident (if you aren't doing this). I would also give him an upside down clay flowerpot with the hole punched out of the top to give him greater security and an advantage over the prey as they will have a more difficult time jumping on him and scaring him. I wouldn't dangle anything in front of his face as he has shown he's not confident yet.

Some bps take all our bumbling with aplomb..and some are so timid..it's a good thing they are CB because they would probably never survive in the wild!

Do I understand it right that you have had this snake for about 2 weeks? It's probably just stressed out, you've only had him for 2 weeks, and have been handling him quite a bit during that time. I would try putting him in his tub and leaving him alone for a week (no or very little handling), then offer again. There's a good reason people say to not mess with them for a full week :).

Did you put him in a smaller tub? A 20 gallon for a 76g ball python could be stressing him out. What substrate are you using? Are you messing with him much through out the week?

Just leave the feeder in the enclosure for an hour or so and turn off the lights and leave the room.

If it doesn't get eaten in a couple hours try zapping it with a hair dryer and putting it back in for another hour or so.

if he doesn't eat then try again next week. He will eat when he is ready.

I don't know if you mentioned it but what kind of hides does he have?

^I do feed in the enclosure. I left it in there for about 10-15 min and he just danced around it flicking his tongue away. Ill take a pic of his whole set up as is. I mean it should feel secure, idk y he wouldn't. Haven't handled min in the past 6 days to let him settle in and that still didn't work. This baby ball has got me all confused.

at his size pop him in a 6qt tub and cover it with a rag at night to give him peace. and leave the mouse in over night. I have some hatchlings not eating unless the rat is laid down and left over night. Leave him in the 6qt tub until hes too big for it then move him up to 15qt tub. babies take time to eat if not secure.

You've only had him two weeks! Just give another week and offer again. If your husbandry is right (multiple hides of proper size, proper temps, proper humidity, proper enclosure size) then your snake may just not want to eat. Let it ride for another week and try again :). If you keep shoving food in his face he will just keep being stressed.

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Originally Posted by Crawdad

Do I understand it right that you have had this snake for about 2 weeks? It's probably just stressed out, you've only had him for 2 weeks, and have been handling him quite a bit during that time. I would try putting him in his tub and leaving him alone for a week (no or very little handling), then offer again. There's a good reason people say to not mess with them for a full week :).

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Handled him the first week, b/c I was retarded and didn't see not to do that. So after he refused for me last time I haven't touched him AT ALL except to get how thick his was to get the right feeder in the past 6 days.

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Originally Posted by Boanerges

Did you put him in a smaller tub? A 20 gallon for a 76g ball python could be stressing him out. What substrate are you using? Are you messing with him much through out the week?

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He is in a 20G. I use Aspen bedding for small animals. And the last question I just answered to Crawdad.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Just leave the feeder in the enclosure for an hour or so and turn off the lights and leave the room.

If it doesn't get eaten in a couple hours try zapping it with a hair dryer and putting it back in for another hour or so.

if he doesn't eat then try again next week. He will eat when he is ready.

I don't know if you mentioned it but what kind of hides does he have?

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Should I do that now or next time?? And he has the SMALL reptile basics hides. I am taking pictures of the set up right now, h/o.

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Originally Posted by Vader6

^I do feed in the enclosure. I left it in there for about 10-15 min and he just danced around it flicking his tongue away. Ill take a pic of his whole set up as is. I mean it should feel secure, idk y he wouldn't. Haven't handled min in the past 6 days to let him settle in and that still didn't work. This baby ball has got me all confused.

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10-15 minutes is not enough time. Leave him be for at least 30 minutes. If the prey is dead you can leave it in much longer.

Since he has refused to eat tonight wiat 5-7 more days before you offer again. When you offer next time just open the cage and blow on the mouse lightly in his direction. If you notice his body breathing heavier then you know hes interested. Dangle the mouse for him to come out to it. If he takes it great. If not lay it down and leave it all night.

Leaving the dead feeder in the enclosure with him for a few more hours couldn't hurt. If he doesn't eat it then oh well, try again next week.

Don't keep poking in there though. Give him some space. Feeding is a very vulnerable period for snakes.

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

at his size pop him in a 6qt tub and cover it with a rag at night to give him peace. and leave the mouse in over night. I have some hatchlings not eating unless the rat is laid down and left over night. Leave him in the 6qt tub until hes too big for it then move him up to 15qt tub. babies take time to eat if not secure.

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So like over night? For feedings? Or just all together?

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Originally Posted by Crawdad

You've only had him two weeks! Just give another week and offer again. If your husbandry is right (multiple hides of proper size, proper temps, proper humidity, proper enclosure size) then your snake may just not want to eat. Let it ride for another week and try again :). If you keep shoving food in his face he will just keep being stressed.

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Yea 2 weeks the Sat after Thanksgiving I got the little guy.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

10-15 minutes is not enough time. Leave him be for at least 30 minutes. If the prey is dead you can leave it in much longer.

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Oh ok, well damn I flushed that thing now. :( They have rat pinkies there as well. I read that they weigh around 9-11 grams. Could I just get that next time and just leave it in there?

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

Since he has refused to eat tonight wiat 5-7 more days before you offer again. When you offer next time just open the cage and blow on the mouse lightly in his direction. If you notice his body breathing heavier then you know hes interested. Dangle the mouse for him to come out to it. If he takes it great. If not lay it down and leave it all night.

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Will do captian!!

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Leaving the dead feeder in the enclosure with him for a few more hours couldn't hurt. If he doesn't eat it then oh well, try again next week.

Don't keep poking in there though. Give him some space. Feeding is a very vulnerable period for snakes.

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Since I threw it away I guess it's next week.

Enclosure pictures:

Hot side:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...6/SSPX0181.jpg

Cool side:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...6/SSPX0182.jpg

Top view:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...6/SSPX0183.jpg

Should the vines stay or go?? I like the way they look and I thought it would add to his concealing.

So my conclusions so far......
Don't touch for another week, let him be.
Scent cage like this time, but instead kill the mouse and drop him in here to be eaten during the night.

Anything else to add?

Put a LIVE mouse fuzzy in with him overnight, after leaving him completely alone for at least 3 full days. A fuzzy mouse can't hurt him, it will be less coordinated and unable to jump on him and scare him, and it smells and looks more like what he was started on.

Once he's eaten that, move up to a mouse hopper, after lights out--chance are, he'll snap it right up. If he does, then the following week, you use the live hopper again, but you stick around and watch.
Then you can try offering him a PK or FT mouse hopper on tongs again--grab it by the scruff of the neck, don't dangle it by the tail. That way it doesn't look taller than him.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Put a LIVE mouse fuzzy in with him overnight, after leaving him completely alone for at least 3 full days. A fuzzy mouse can't hurt him, it will be less coordinated and unable to jump on him and scare him, and it smells and looks more like what he was started on.

Once he's eaten that, move up to a mouse hopper, after lights out--chance are, he'll snap it right up. If he does, then the following week, you use the live hopper again, but you stick around and watch.
Then you can try offering him a PK or FT mouse hopper on tongs again--grab it by the scruff of the neck, don't dangle it by the tail. That way it doesn't look taller than him.

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Isn't he a little big for a fuzzy mouse? Also the place I go doesn't have mouse fuzzys they have hamster pinkies and fuzzies. Would a rat pinky be ok instead??
I've been to soooo many places looking for hooper and fuzzy mice but no dice this is the money one that I know of in Raleigh. And yea I just want him to eat something. Something is better than nothing to me.
So on Monday put the food in that would have been 5 days.

Btw THANK YOU GUYS SOOOO MUCH!!! I don't know what I would do with out you guys!!

Your cage is way too big. Move him to a 6 qt tub for a few months until he settles in. I would put him in a proper size tub and leave him totally alone for a week. After a week put a mouse in with him, turn out the lights and don't even peek at him for an hour. I bet the mouse is gone when you check on him.

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Originally Posted by pfan151

Your cage is way too big. Move him to a 6 qt tub for a few months until he settles in. I would put him in a proper size tub and leave him totally alone for a week. After a week put a mouse in with him, turn out the lights and don't even peek at him for an hour. I bet the mouse is gone when you check on him.

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Is there no way I can make this work with the cage I have? I mean with the tub I would have to buy another UTH for it and another acccrite. Where would I put the tub? In the cage? I'm very confused......

When I got my Lemon Pastel I put her in a 20g tank. She didn't eat for about 3 weeks due to this. I switched her to a small tub, waited 5 days, offered food and she took it right away. Move him to a tub, it'll only cost about $15 at the most. And it'll fix your humidity.

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Originally Posted by Elise.m

When I got my Lemon Pastel I put her in a 20g tank. She didn't eat for about 3 weeks due to this. I switched her to a small tub, waited 5 days, offered food and she took it right away. Move him to a tub, it'll only cost about $15 at the most. And it'll fix your humidity.

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Thing is I spent around 180 on crap for the tank......what am I going to do with it now if I just ditch it?
If I were to get a tub how would I set it up?
I don't have a rack so just get a 5 gallon UTH and put in on the bottom of it with a hide on 1 side and a water bowl on the other? Poke holes in it for air and put aspen down for bedding?
I just got my therostat in so I'm good with that now.
Let's do say I put him in a 6 qt tub for a month then upgrade him to a 15 for another few months, could I put him back in the 20 gallon after that?? I mean I have all the stuff......
Don't get me wrong I want my little guy to eat it's just I don't want waste money. I'm a poor college kid and throwing 200+ bucks worth of reptile supplies and tank out the window seems wasteful. So in like 3 months could I switch it back to the 20G.

make her feel good about herself/himself. i know you just got her and wanna play with her/he every chance you get but shes still little. i just got my lemon pastel from nerd on friday and she ate sunday and then again today.
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...d.php?t=108292
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...d.php?t=108326
thats what i did to get her to feed and the set up i have her in the help her feel secure. plus i used a live rat pup to feed i have a picture but cant find it now.

the waiting a week thing for a tiny ball (mine was 74g when i got her)is a little long though in my opinion.two days should be more then enough time for the next attempt.

oh yeah youll be able to keep him in that 20 in a few months. and maybe for the first 2 years

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Originally Posted by Vader6

Is there no way I can make this work with the cage I have? I mean with the tub I would have to buy another UTH for it and another acccrite. Where would I put the tub? In the cage? I'm very confused......

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Some snakes will eat well no matter what the size of the cage, but some need a smaller more secure cage to get going. You could probably get away with moving him back into the larger cage after he gets going well on feeding for a few months.

Sooooo.....move to a 6 qt or a little bigger and move up to the 20G or try to stick with the 20G now???

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Originally Posted by pfan151

Some snakes will eat well no matter what the size of the cage, but some need a smaller more secure cage to get going. You could probably get away with moving him back into the larger cage after he gets going well on feeding for a few months.

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Alright how do I set up a tub.....the 6 seems small to me, but what do I know. lol I can put the hide he already has on 1 side but idk where I can find a water bowl that small.....also there doesn't seem that much space to roam, does it matter?

Heres a 6qt tub.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...y/100_2326.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...y/100_2327.jpg

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Originally Posted by Vader6

Thing is I spent around 180 on crap for the tank......what am I going to do with it now if I just ditch it?
If I were to get a tub how would I set it up?
I don't have a rack so just get a 5 gallon UTH and put in on the bottom of it with a hide on 1 side and a water bowl on the other? Poke holes in it for air and put aspen down for bedding?
I just got my therostat in so I'm good with that now.
Let's do say I put him in a 6 qt tub for a month then upgrade him to a 15 for another few months, could I put him back in the 20 gallon after that?? I mean I have all the stuff......
Don't get me wrong I want my little guy to eat it's just I don't want waste money. I'm a poor college kid and throwing 200+ bucks worth of reptile supplies and tank out the window seems wasteful. So in like 3 months could I switch it back to the 20G.

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I as well spent about $160 for all the stuff in the tank. I was sooo upset when I found out it was too big. I used the tub for about 2-3 months, and now put her back in the tank. She's about 450g, and she's perfectly fine in the tank. I also got two more snakes, so the tub is being put to use.

If you didn't stick the UTH to the bottom of the tank, all you'll need is the tub. If you did, you'll need an UTH and the tub. You have accu-rites, hides, a water bowl, all the necessary stuff for a tub.

Edit: I switched her from a 20g to a 16 qt tub. It worked fine. If you really want to go the secure way, you can buy a 6qt. But, if you want to chance it, you can buy a 16qt.

You could clear out the tank, and put the tub inside of it, so that half the tub is over the UTH.

A fuzzy mouse is a bit too small for the snake, but that is the point--being smaller, it is less intimidating. (Actually a crawler mouse is more the size that is needed).
I've had some hatchlings start on these when they wouldn't take a hopper. Just worth a try.
The most important points are to feed the snake in the dark, and not to disturb the snake for the entire day before you offer food. Put in the food, and then leave the snake in peace and quiet.

A fuzzy rat is the right size for a hatchling ball python, but since the snake was eating mice before, mice is what you should offer it now. It's very unlikely to eat anything unfamiliar.

I don't recommend leaving a hopper mouse in with a snake overnight. Hoppers have teeth, and are already eating solid food. A hopper mouse could potentially harm a snake. In my experience, if the prey isn't eaten within a couple of hours, it isn't going to be eaten, and should be removed. Wait a couple of days before offering food again.
Snakes seem to have this odd mental quirk--if a rodent is left in with them, and they refuse to eat it, many times they will never eat it unless it is removed for some time and then reintroduced later. This is where you get those stories of a snake 'befriending' a rodent that lives in their cage with them, and the snake only eating other rodents, but never the one that lives with them. People misinterpret the situation, naturally enough, and say they are friends, or that the snake has a pet mouse/hamster/whatever.

Far from being gentle seed-eaters, mice and rats are ferocious omnivores. If left in a cage without food, they can and have literally eaten snakes alive. Snakes will generally not defend themselves from an aggressive rodent--they just aren't hardwired to be able to handle it. In the wild, they would simply flee. So, never leave a live rodent with teeth in a snake's cage unsupervised. The larger and older the rodent, the more serious a danger it poses.

WOW.......

Your cage is wayyyyy to big for that little guy.
Ditch it, return whatever you bought for it. Because everything is useless!

Get a 6qt tub, and fix it up that way.

He seems to be really stressed out. Maybe you need to read up on the site a little more. You should have left him alone for a week when u first got him and then feed him. If he doesnt eat again, its okay. Just leave him alone and let him be. He needs to get comfortable in his new home.

Ok getting the following:
5 gallon Zoo Med UTH
Water bowl

Have:
Thermostat
Aspen
Accurite
Small RBI hide
6 qt tub (drilling 5 holes on the sides and 2 holes front and back)

Will be done with it by this evening so he can be transferred.

Thanks you!!

Also 6 qt for the next month? Then move him up to a 16 qt for another month or so then once he is about 300 grams put him back in the 20G right?

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

You could clear out the tank, and put the tub inside of it, so that half the tub is over the UTH.

A fuzzy mouse is a bit too small for the snake, but that is the point--being smaller, it is less intimidating. (Actually a crawler mouse is more the size that is needed).
I've had some hatchlings start on these when they wouldn't take a hopper. Just worth a try.
The most important points are to feed the snake in the dark, and not to disturb the snake for the entire day before you offer food. Put in the food, and then leave the snake in peace and quiet.

A fuzzy rat is the right size for a hatchling ball python, but since the snake was eating mice before, mice is what you should offer it now. It's very unlikely to eat anything unfamiliar.

I don't recommend leaving a hopper mouse in with a snake overnight. Hoppers have teeth, and are already eating solid food. A hopper mouse could potentially harm a snake. In my experience, if the prey isn't eaten within a couple of hours, it isn't going to be eaten, and should be removed. Wait a couple of days before offering food again.
Snakes seem to have this odd mental quirk--if a rodent is left in with them, and they refuse to eat it, many times they will never eat it unless it is removed for some time and then reintroduced later. This is where you get those stories of a snake 'befriending' a rodent that lives in their cage with them, and the snake only eating other rodents, but never the one that lives with them. People misinterpret the situation, naturally enough, and say they are friends, or that the snake has a pet mouse/hamster/whatever.

Far from being gentle seed-eaters, mice and rats are ferocious omnivores. If left in a cage without food, they can and have literally eaten snakes alive. Snakes will generally not defend themselves from an aggressive rodent--they just aren't hardwired to be able to handle it. In the wild, they would simply flee. So, never leave a live rodent with teeth in a snake's cage unsupervised. The larger and older the rodent, the more serious a danger it poses.

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So would a hamster fuzzy be ok or a rat pinky?? Cuz I can't find a store that carries live prey besides this one place.

A rat pink should be okay.

I wouldn't ditch the tank completely though. After he gains some weight and becomes a more confident feeder you could transfer him to the 20g. Some snakes are a bit more shy than others.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

A rat pink should be okay.

I wouldn't ditch the tank completely though. After he gains some weight and becomes a more confident feeder you could transfer him to the 20g. Some snakes are a bit more shy than others.

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Sweet. And yea I hope to have him back in the fortress in like 3 months. :D

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Originally Posted by PolkaDotPenguin

WOW.......

Your cage is wayyyyy to big for that little guy.
Ditch it, return whatever you bought for it. Because everything is useless!

Get a 6qt tub, and fix it up that way.

He seems to be really stressed out. Maybe you need to read up on the site a little more. You should have left him alone for a week when u first got him and then feed him. If he doesnt eat again, its okay. Just leave him alone and let him be. He needs to get comfortable in his new home.

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Everything isn't useless. He's got things that he can use down the line when the snake grows up. Since it's a male, that tank might be able to fit him through adulthood.

Vader: Glad you're going out to get a tub! Trust me, it's totally worth it. Kaorte is the one who suggested it to me too, and like I said before, it works like a charm!

Which way for the UTH??

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...6/SSPX0186.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...6/SSPX0187.jpg

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Originally Posted by Elise.m

Everything isn't useless. He's got things that he can use down the line when the snake grows up. Since it's a male, that tank might be able to fit him through adulthood.

Vader: Glad you're going out to get a tub! Trust me, it's totally worth it. Kaorte is the one who suggested it to me too, and like I said before, it works like a charm!

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I'll prob end up doing a tank divider and have 2 pythons in there.

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Originally Posted by PolkaDotPenguin

WOW.......

Your cage is wayyyyy to big for that little guy.
Ditch it, return whatever you bought for it. Because everything is useless!

Get a 6qt tub, and fix it up that way.

He seems to be really stressed out. Maybe you need to read up on the site a little more. You should have left him alone for a week when u first got him and then feed him. If he doesnt eat again, its okay. Just leave him alone and let him be. He needs to get comfortable in his new home.

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the tank is not completely useless... they just pverly prepared. ina few months it will be a god send for them cause they wont have to rush out to buy everything all over again. prepped for the future!

Bump for placement of UTH

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Originally Posted by Vader6

Bump for placement of UTH

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Picture number one!

Yeah definitely put the UTH like you have it in the 1st picture. That way his whole body can fit on the head pad if he wants, but he also has the choice to move far away from it if its too hot. The other way just kind of forces him to be on the warmn side.

Set up:

UTH wouldn't stick so I duct taped it on with the Thermostat probe
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...6/SSPX0188.jpg

It is kinda long but w/e
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...6/SSPX0189.jpg

Setp up w/o top but blanket for warmth:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...6/SSPX0192.jpg

Alumium foil on top to help temp and humidty:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...6/SSPX0193.jpg

Now I have a damp cloth on top just fyi

Keep an eye on the humidity, as tubs hold humidity really well and you've got several humidity helpers going on in there.

Also, the duct tape will come loose after a while, when that happens buy a roll of foil tape. It works the best with UTHs.

Other than that, looks great!

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Originally Posted by Elise.m

Keep an eye on the humidity, as tubs hold humidity really well and you've got several humidity helpers going on in there.

Also, the duct tape will come loose after a while, when that happens buy a roll of foil tape. It works the best with UTHs.

Other than that, looks great!

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Thanks!

My Humidity is only 59-61%
The cool temp was 72-73 so I added my old Lamp with the basking Sun Glo bulb over the cool side like 2 feet above the tub and now temps are constant 75.7* is that good?
The thermostat is keeping it at 91-93 degrees on the hot side

UPDATE!!!!!!!!

So today was feeding day for Naga, he has been in his new 6 qt tub since 12/9. Now it has been 5 days since then and the last refusal. So I bought a VERY small rat pinkie, it was a little bit bigger than a fuzzy mouse. I also thawed and heated the mouse under the heat lamp for a bit and placed BOTH of these guys in there so Naga could chose one or the other or both. I just want him to eat!!! So I take a look 40 min later and there is the f/t fuzzy haning out of this mouth. I was sooooo happy, then I look 15 min later to see what's good and to fix this water bowl cuz he flipped it over (PS side story: water bowl had humity in the 80's even with low water so I replaced it with a vitiman water top putting the humidity into the low 70's. Need to drill more holes in the sides) and I find the rat kind ofish constricted in his middle section and the mouse on the floor.......wtf is going on???? I don't touch him. I only go to change his water every day. Temps are where they need to be at all times only thing that has been off was the humidity has been in the high 70's and then the 80's today that is what the switch was for. I am just stumped here. Went to the smaller tub and everything. And this guy is still acting retarded............
HELP!!!!

So while he was eating you went and changed his water?

That was probably your mistake.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

So while he was eating you went and changed his water?

That was probably your mistake.

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No about 15 min after that I saw he had the mouse in his mouse (thinking it was already down opened the top to take it out. But all irrelevant.......

HE ATE THEM BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:taz:
Ate about 10-12 grams of food today. This means he is def taking F/T for me like his breeder. Now I need to upgrade him to rat pups or adult mice. He can take them!!

Thank you all for all the help he will be in his 6 qt for another month or so and will be upgrading to 15 qt soon.

Good. Now don't mess with him until next week :)