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  • 03-19-2009, 07:33 PM
    rebeccabecca
    Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Does anyone have the same issues with bad nieghbors? Mine have got to be the worst hands down! The guy has broke into our house and cleared us out, pretended to help my husband with his van and stole his DS, told his kids we steal off them and thats why there toys are missing( he sells them as I have witnessed him selling the boys new bike!), he's tried to brake in while we were on vacation but a little girl checking up on our baby bunnies caught him, He's crazy and has turned on our ourside tap quite a few time and has knocked on our back door late at night and ran off, threatened to beat my kids up and actually stated to my kids today that he was going to beat up thier handicapped dad, has domestic fights so loud that I can hear them through my house( a detatched!),The guy sells drugs right in front of his kids. Today I cought him telling his girlfriend he was going to call FACS on us because we allow the kids to play at the park unsupervised which is odd because his kids are playing WITH my kids! We have real winners!!!! at least thier yard is clean as he rakes the yard when he deals lol! What has been your worst nieghbor from hell?
  • 03-19-2009, 08:08 PM
    nixer
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    my neighbors are obviously hillbillys on both sides one is lazy and his wife does everything and thinks its ok to let the dog play with wild animals in the back yard and nothing will happen to the dog. oh yea i forgot that their pool has been green for years and their fence is leaning about 3 foot into their yard

    the others are nice ppl their house floods so every time i see them they complain about that and how the town dont do anything about it. its obviously mother son and daughter inlaw with 3 kids. they are obviously barely making it they have tons of toys for the kids their fence is also broken and leaning about 3 feet in their yard also. they have a pond and a pool the pond is nice and the pool is always clean. they want to replace the fence i offered to help him if hes going to do it. hes always doing something around the house pounding nails and stuff like that.


    at our old duplex i stared at some dude from i think jordan's broken tv on his back porch for over a year. his 5 kids was throwing rocks in my driaveway so i yelled at them and then the wife came out and yelled at me in whatever language they speak. i told her you best start watching your kids so she ran in the house and got her husband and he came over to my yard got in my face so i called the cops about it. they never ever was out with the kids at all and this was many many times i have seen them throwing rocks all over the neighborhood.


    before that we had some partyers which whatever i dont really care what they do aslong as im not getting woke up at 2am or my stuff isnt missing.


    my grandma had a neighbor that moved in and though he was going to sue her for her having animals in the backyard. they have been there for well over 40 years and i have never seen such a bad neighbor as him. i cannot even begin to start in on what all he pulled.

    just a thought have you talked to the police about this issue with the stealing
  • 03-19-2009, 08:13 PM
    Slim
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rebeccabecca View Post
    The guy has broke into our house and cleared us out, pretended to help my husband with his van and stole his DS, told his kids we steal off them and thats why there toys are missing( he sells them as I have witnessed him selling the boys new bike!), he's tried to brake in while we were on vacation but a little girl checking up on our baby bunnies caught him, He's crazy and has turned on our ourside tap quite a few time and has knocked on our back door late at night and ran off, threatened to beat my kids up and actually stated to my kids today that he was going to beat up thier handicapped dad, has domestic fights so loud that I can hear them through my house( a detatched!),The guy sells drugs right in front of his kids.


    I notice you are in Canada. Are you guys allowed to protect your homes and families up there through the use of firearms? If so, I would suggest you purchase one before your neighbor graduates from petty theft to higher forms of criminal activity.
  • 03-19-2009, 08:34 PM
    azpythons
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    druggy neighbors...im in tucson arizona and in my part of town its like a druggy neighborhood. luckily for me i got a big scary looking dog. ours and the other apt. in our complex with a pitbull are the only two that havent been broken into. i guess it dont hurt that im 6 3 235 too....me and my dog 2 big scary looking teddy bears. haha
  • 03-19-2009, 08:39 PM
    Shadera
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    I don't mind hillbillies. I'm one of those myself. It's the white trash neighbors we have here that drives me nuts. Domestic disputes that the whole neighborhood gets to hear complete with calling the fire department and police at least once a week, running drugs or shine or something that means no one works but yet cars we've never seen before are always pulling up to these houses then leaving shortly after, and the crap cars they feel like they need to constantly gun the engines on.
  • 03-19-2009, 08:44 PM
    rebeccabecca
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    I actually can't protect myself at all . If I assault him while he's doing a B& E I can get in trouble. No guns at all:( I'm easily twice his size and quite strong but that's little relief when it comes to weapons. I was thinking of getting a big dog but he'd eat my kids LOL! actually bully breeds are banned. A nice well trained german shepard type dog would work well. I'm wondering if my familes biker friends could just happen to come over for a party and scare him away!
  • 03-19-2009, 08:52 PM
    Slim
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rebeccabecca View Post
    I actually can't protect myself at all . If I assault him while he's doing a B& E I can get in trouble. No guns at all

    I'm sorry to hear that. Aluminum baseball bats are still legal there, right? Just sayin'.
  • 03-19-2009, 09:02 PM
    disabled.101
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rebeccabecca View Post
    I actually can't protect myself at all . If I assault him while he's doing a B& E I can get in trouble.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    I'm sorry to hear that. Aluminum baseball bats are still legal there, right? Just sayin'.

    Smacking someone with an Aluminum baseball bat is considered assault last time I checked. Correct me if I am wrong please because in that case I am getting a bat. Then I will have some fun encounters with certain people *Cough**Cough*Dutch*Cough* :P
  • 03-19-2009, 09:04 PM
    Melicious
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eulenspiegel View Post
    Smacking someone with an Aluminum baseball bat is considered assault last time I checked. Correct me if I am wrong please because in that case I am getting a bat. Then I will have some fun encounters with certain people *Cough**Cough*Dutch*Cough* :P

    What happened to being able to defend yourself and your belongings? My sister just sent me a big wooden moose figurine. Hn. I wonder if I smacked someone breaking in with that, if that'd be assault too. Teehee. Assault with a deadly moose!
  • 03-19-2009, 09:04 PM
    dsirkle
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    My wife is trying to convince me that we have a major problem here because we have a neighbor that chooses to park on the street instead of in his two car garage and he never parks in front of his own house. That's about the worst of it.
  • 03-19-2009, 09:08 PM
    rebeccabecca
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Actually I would most likely get away with assulting him I don't have any run in's with the law and he does. I swear I have though of the what "if's" and the bat is so much nicer. Of course being an animal lover I though of getting a few vipers( also illegal) and have them live in my jewlery case as it's a antique stand kind with plenty of room for a sidewinder.
  • 03-19-2009, 09:14 PM
    anatess
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    <== got great neighbors.

    My house is like Seinfeld's... neighborhood kids just come in anytime they want, open the fridge/pantry eat whatever, ooogle the snakes (locked), harass the dog and stay until we kick them out... :) But, that's how I like it.

    I'd rather they stay at my house rather than my kids go to someone else's.

    I got the snackers on the bottom shelf and the do-not-touch on the top shelf. So they know not to touch those. They're all cool kids. I love where I live. It would be really a bummer if one of them ever decides to move and we get a "bad apple" neighbor.
  • 03-19-2009, 09:26 PM
    Fallguy
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    I love the Castle Doctrine! I have every right to protect all of my property, and myself, and loved ones. I may use any means nessecary to get rid of the threat, up to , and including, deadly force.
    I live out in the country, and my nearest neighbor, I cannot hear him make noise if I tried. I love where I live. Good luck with your neighbor issues.
  • 03-19-2009, 09:28 PM
    MarkS
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    I'm sorry to hear that. Aluminum baseball bats are still legal there, right? Just sayin'.

    Guy I knew from high school was out driving one day and got rear ended. Being the touchy hot headed sort, he grabbed his baseball bat got out of the car and headed back to the car that just hit him. The guy that hit him rolled down his window, pulled out a gun and shot him, then locked his doors, rolled up the windows and waited for the cops. Once the police got everything sorted out, the guy from my high school was charged with assault (in addition to spending a few weeks in the hospital) The guy who shot him got off on self defense, and I don't think he was even charged with the traffic accident.

    Just sayin...
  • 03-19-2009, 09:32 PM
    chetman7
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    buy a gun

    next time he breaks into your house...smoke him....get it...Smoke...him.
  • 03-19-2009, 09:37 PM
    KeithTN
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    How about getting a paintball gun and cranking the fps up?
  • 03-19-2009, 09:37 PM
    mainbutter
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rebeccabecca View Post
    Does anyone have the same issues with bad nieghbors? Mine have got to be the worst hands down! The guy has broke into our house and cleared us out, pretended to help my husband with his van and stole his DS, told his kids we steal off them and thats why there toys are missing( he sells them as I have witnessed him selling the boys new bike!), he's tried to brake in while we were on vacation but a little girl checking up on our baby bunnies caught him, He's crazy and has turned on our ourside tap quite a few time and has knocked on our back door late at night and ran off, threatened to beat my kids up and actually stated to my kids today that he was going to beat up thier handicapped dad, has domestic fights so loud that I can hear them through my house( a detatched!),The guy sells drugs right in front of his kids. Today I cought him telling his girlfriend he was going to call FACS on us because we allow the kids to play at the park unsupervised which is odd because his kids are playing WITH my kids! We have real winners!!!! at least thier yard is clean as he rakes the yard when he deals lol! What has been your worst nieghbor from hell?

    This guy gives druggies a bad name. WHY THE HELL HASN'T HE BEEN JAILED FOR 10+ YEARS? Breaking and entering is supposed to be serious time.
  • 03-19-2009, 09:37 PM
    Slim
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MarkS View Post
    Guy I knew from high school was out driving one day and got rear ended. Being the touchy hot headed sort, he grabbed his baseball bat got out of the car and headed back to the car that just hit him. The guy that hit him rolled down his window, pulled out a gun and shot him, then locked his doors, rolled up the windows and waited for the cops. Once the police got everything sorted out, the guy from my high school was charged with assault (in addition to spending a few weeks in the hospital) The guy who shot him got off on self defense, and I don't think he was even charged with the traffic accident.

    Just sayin...

    The guy you knew from HS was totally in the wrong and deserved to be charged. The guy with the gun was just protecting himself. And since his car is an extension of his domicile in most states, it would be no different than if HS guy broke through the front door of his house with a bat.

    Just sayin'.

    If the OP were to protect herself and her family in her domicile with an object that is legal for her to own, she most likely won't be charged either.
  • 03-19-2009, 09:38 PM
    Slim
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chetman7 View Post
    buy a gun

    She's in Canada.....
  • 03-19-2009, 09:42 PM
    mainbutter
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chetman7 View Post
    buy a gun

    next time he breaks into your house...smoke him....get it...Smoke...him.

    Most states allow you to use lethal force to defend yourself during a breaking-and-entering, and I support people in exercising their legal rights.
  • 03-19-2009, 09:42 PM
    azpythons
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    the only way you could get charged is if its past self defense, dude breaks in, one quick hit to the head with the back, knock him out, and back off...if he gets up or comes towards you hit him again...until he stops attacking or ius unable to try to attack you its self defense...people get in trouble by going to far...one punch or kick while the intruders on the ground bam you get charged....at least thats how i understand the law
  • 03-19-2009, 09:42 PM
    mainbutter
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    She's in Canada.....

    didn't notice :( Canada still allows guns(and plenty of them) but I don't know about self defense.
  • 03-19-2009, 09:45 PM
    Slim
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mainbutter View Post
    didn't notice :( Canada still allows guns(and plenty of them) but I don't know about self defense.

    Yeah, I'm a little fuzzy on the self defense laws up there...been to busy worrying about holding on to mine down here.
  • 03-19-2009, 09:46 PM
    rebeccabecca
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    I can get a BB gun or the paint ball gun. That would be freaking funny! What color do you think he'd like? I did phone FACS so hopefully they make her kick him out!
  • 03-19-2009, 09:47 PM
    azpythons
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    ahh i didnt know they from canada..guess my last post is irrelevant, though id assume self defense laws should be about the same.
  • 03-19-2009, 09:48 PM
    azpythons
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rebeccabecca View Post
    I can get a BB gun or the paint ball gun. That would be freaking funny! What color do you think he'd like? I did phone FACS so hopefully they make her kick him out!

    my roommate has a bb gun that looks and feels like a real pistol.
    maybe you can get one of those..it was like 50 bucks at a sporting goods store
  • 03-19-2009, 09:49 PM
    dsirkle
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    The guy you knew from HS was totally in the wrong and deserved to be charged. The guy with the gun was just protecting himself. And since his car is an extension of his domicile in most states, it would be no different than if HS guy broke through the front door of his house with a bat.

    Just sayin'.

    If the OP were to protect herself and her family in her domicile with an object that is legal for her to own, she most likely won't be charged either.

    I would almost expect her to have a duty to retreat even within her house and to only be legally able to respond to the attacker with equal force IE: fists with fists. I'm referring to anywhere that you have to go "before the Crown".
  • 03-19-2009, 09:51 PM
    Earl
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rebeccabecca View Post
    What has been your worst nieghbor from hell?

    It's a tie currently between my old neighbor Natalie and my recent one Francine.

    Natalie enjoyed sitting on her patio and cutting her wrists, no joke, and would scream at me "I'm not crazy!"

    Francine would wash her car with a broom, wipe her dogs butt whenever he dropped a deuce and sing to him, and would tend to her garden even though she was bleeding through her shirt. She has breast cancer and refuses to ever go to the hospital or see a doctor.

    On a good day both women were polite and cordial, at least they were to me anyway.
  • 03-19-2009, 09:51 PM
    Slim
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by azpythons View Post
    my roommate has a bb gun that looks and feels like a real pistol.
    maybe you can get one of those..it was like 50 bucks at a sporting goods store

    Actually AZ, that's a real good way to get hurt. Using the threat of deadly force is very serious business. True, you could scare off a bad guy, or you could really tick off a drugged up criminal who could take that BB gun and lodge it in a very uncomfortable orifice.
  • 03-19-2009, 09:54 PM
    Slim
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dsirkle View Post
    I would almost expect her to have a duty to retreat even within her house and to only be legally able to respond to the attacker with equal force IE: fists with fists.

    Is that a Canadian law thing? Here in Virginia, if you are in fear for your life, or for the lives of those under your care, you can use lethal force, even in the face of a lesser armed opponent. When I lived in Florida, as soon as they broke across the threshold of the front door, it was on like Donkey Kong.
  • 03-19-2009, 10:03 PM
    dsirkle
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Is that a Canadian law thing? Here in Virginia, if you are in fear for your life, or for the lives of those under your care, you can use lethal force, even in the face of a lesser armed opponent. When I lived in Florida, as soon as they broke across the threshold of the front door, it was on like Donkey Kong.

    Here in Michigan we have "shall issue" and "castle doctrine laws" which basically translates to that if you attack somebody that is engaged in a lawful activity you are out of luck if things don't go your way. In many other Countries the honest citizen is the one out of luck if they are attacked.
  • 03-19-2009, 10:14 PM
    rebeccabecca
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    With a disabled husband and 5 kids in the house there is no retreat! I'm scared alot at night but who cares the police? yeah right I'd have to be a crime chalk drawing before they take anyone serously! Really it's kill or be killed even in places that have "laws".
  • 03-19-2009, 10:31 PM
    Rejekt
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    in the us if someone threatens you or your familys well being in your home you have the right to take matters into your own hands (i learned this in self defense lol) and to be honest. if someone breaks into your house and ur there and they threaten you gran a pen/pencil and stab him. call the cops and loc kurself in a room or whatever. its illegal to break into a home anywhere i believe. install video cameras on all corners of your property and record videos to a pc and if he does it again show the tape to the police. or put up a tall pickety fence he cant get over and put a gate w/ a lock on it lol. lock him out!

    as far as my neighbors. i live at the end of a dead end street so i have 1 neighbor and 1 across the street. my neighbor next to me used to be the security guard at my high school , never home . and the one across the street is never home either and she comes home at around 2 AM and he car is kinda loud but i cant complain cause mine is equally loud. so yea i got decent neighbors.

    EDIT:

    as far as paintball guns if u can use one get one! there fun to shoot, and they hurt if hit in the wrong places. and it scares people if u put it on fully auto and pull the trigger without any paint it makes loud popping noises similar to a gun if u have the aiur hooked up to it.
  • 03-19-2009, 10:42 PM
    azpythons
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Actually AZ, that's a real good way to get hurt. Using the threat of deadly force is very serious business. True, you could scare off a bad guy, or you could really tick off a drugged up criminal who could take that BB gun and lodge it in a very uncomfortable orifice.

    well you run that risk with anything i guess.....knife/bat/beer bottle. jus depends on who has the will to overpower the other and take control of the situation.
  • 03-19-2009, 11:22 PM
    wolfy-hound
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    This is why I love florida, the gunshine state. If someone makes it INSIDE the house, you can legally shoot them.

    The HS friend going after the guy in the car was wrong, and was lucky the guy didn't kill him.

    Stabbing someone with a pencil is a bad idea. At best you'll cause slight pain, at worst, you'll ticc someone off, and then you'll be within reach. If you're going to try to attack someone, hit them with whatever handy is heavy(statuettes, chairs, cans, bottles), or use a blade. This is if you're not armed.
    Here, if they break in, my worst thing is choosing what to shoot them with.
  • 03-20-2009, 03:11 AM
    Earl
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rebeccabecca View Post
    With a disabled husband and 5 kids in the house there is no retreat! I'm scared alot at night but who cares the police? yeah right I'd have to be a crime chalk drawing before they take anyone serously! Really it's kill or be killed even in places that have "laws".

    I'm not crazy!


    Whoa....:taz:
  • 03-20-2009, 06:34 AM
    nixer
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    It's a tie currently between my old neighbor Natalie and my recent one Francine.

    Natalie enjoyed sitting on her patio and cutting her wrists, no joke, and would scream at me "I'm not crazy!"

    Francine would wash her car with a broom, wipe her dogs butt whenever he dropped a deuce and sing to him, and would tend to her garden even though she was bleeding through her shirt. She has breast cancer and refuses to ever go to the hospital or see a doctor.

    On a good day both women were polite and cordial, at least they were to me anyway.

    does anyone else think that earl lives in the funny farm :rofl:
  • 03-20-2009, 07:03 AM
    frankykeno
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    From the Canadian Criminal Code (C-46):

    From Defense of Person:

    Every one who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force he uses is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself.

    (2) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted and who causes death or grievous bodily harm in repelling the assault is justified if

    (a) he causes it under reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm from the violence with which the assault was originally made or with which the assailant pursues his purposes; and

    (b) he believes, on reasonable grounds, that he cannot otherwise preserve himself from death or grievous bodily harm.


    And under Preventing Assault:

    (1) Every one is justified in using force to defend himself or any one under his protection from assault, if he uses no more force than is necessary to prevent the assault or the repetition of it.

    As far as Defense of Property, that's a bit different:

    (1) Every one who is in peaceable possession of personal property, and every one lawfully assisting him, is justified

    (a) in preventing a trespasser from taking it, or

    (b) in taking it from a trespasser who has taken it,

    if he does not strike or cause bodily harm to the trespasser.

    Assault by trespasser

    (2) Where a person who is in peaceable possession of personal property lays hands on it, a trespasser who persists in attempting to keep it or take it from him or from any one lawfully assisting him shall be deemed to commit an assault without justification or provocation.
    R.S., c. C-34, s. 38.

    Defence with claim of right

    39. (1) Every one who is in peaceable possession of personal property under a claim of right, and every one acting under his authority, is protected from criminal responsibility for defending that possession, even against a person entitled by law to possession of it, if he uses no more force than is necessary.

    Defence of dwelling

    40. Every one who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house, and every one lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority, is justified in using as much force as is necessary to prevent any person from forcibly breaking into or forcibly entering the dwelling-house without lawful authority.

    R.S., c. C-34, s. 40.

    Defence of house or real property

    41. (1) Every one who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property, and every one lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority, is justified in using force to prevent any person from trespassing on the dwelling-house or real property, or to remove a trespasser therefrom, if he uses no more force than is necessary.


    http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc...:s_3_1-gb:s_34

    So my read of that is that you can use reasonable (and if needed lethal) force in defense of yourself or others if you believe there is no other course of action to preserve life. Property is another matter because the law in Canada recognizes that losing your life is not the same as losing the cash on top of your dresser. As well, of course, you have to deal with the issues of strict gun ownership and legal storage of firearms laws, especially with children in your home.

    Personally I'd suggest you get a nice German Shepherd puppy from a good breeder, take it for training and enjoy a lovely pet that will warn you about strangers on your property. I grew up with a couple of huge male GSD's and they were wonderful family pets. However, I know it gave people something to think about if they wanted to break in with a 120 lb dog in the house who loved his family VERY much.

    We did have one drunken and violent idiot who tried to get in once. Amazing how fast he exited the property when we turned the dog loose. Chum never put a tooth in the man, he just "escorted" him to our property line. :)
  • 03-20-2009, 07:24 AM
    Slim
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by azpythons View Post
    well you run that risk with anything i guess.....knife/bat/beer bottle. jus depends on who has the will to overpower the other and take control of the situation.

    On this point, we certainly agree.
  • 03-20-2009, 08:48 AM
    Typical_08
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rebeccabecca View Post
    I actually can't protect myself at all . If I assault him while he's doing a B& E I can get in trouble.

    Move to the U.S.

    Ya got to love the Castle Doctrine.

    Back when my wife and I first got married we lived in some run down apartments. Our neighbors were dealers. The girl friend would come home high at all hours of the night and start banging on our door thinking that her man locked her out again. They stole the tires off my truck once, and tried breaking into my wife's car, but a patrol car came by and they ran off. The guy tried breaking in a couple times. But once he was stopped by our pup D.O.G, and the other stopped when he came face to face with me.

    Both times he was arrested, both times he was lucky that he walked out of the house instead of being carried out (Castle Doctrine in NC says that you can use any force up to and including deadly force to stop a forced entry into your home. It also states that you can not be charged in a civil case for defending your home yourself or your family. We are also not a duty to retreat state 'in your castle that is'.), and both times he got out of jail on technicalities.

    He died about a year ago, never heard how.

    Moral of the story, carry and carry often.
  • 03-20-2009, 09:32 AM
    MarkS
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    The guy you knew from HS was totally in the wrong and deserved to be charged. The guy with the gun was just protecting himself. And since his car is an extension of his domicile in most states, it would be no different than if HS guy broke through the front door of his house with a bat.

    Just sayin'.

    If the OP were to protect herself and her family in her domicile with an object that is legal for her to own, she most likely won't be charged either.

    Can not a vehicle also be considered a weapon? And the other party struck first?
  • 03-20-2009, 11:31 AM
    Typical_08
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    If the OP were to protect herself and her family in her domicile with an object that is legal for her to own, she most likely won't be charged either.

    That really depends on where you live. Several years ago there was a case in Cali where a guy came home and found someone raping his wife. The husband shot the guy, and the prosecutor was able to get him on man 1. Something like two years later he was finally able to get it appealed, and was exonerated.
  • 03-20-2009, 11:51 AM
    ncbloods
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MarkS View Post
    Can not a vehicle also be considered a weapon? And the other party struck first?

    Yes it is.

    And in most places, responding with deadly force when someone breaks into your home is merited when you feel that your life or your families life is in jeopardy. Doesn't have anything to do with whether or not your "stuff" is in jeopardy.
  • 03-20-2009, 11:54 AM
    dsirkle
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by frankykeno View Post
    From the Canadian Criminal Code (C-46):

    From Defense of Person:

    Every one who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force he uses is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself.

    (2) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted and who causes death or grievous bodily harm in repelling the assault is justified if

    (a) he causes it under reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm from the violence with which the assault was originally made or with which the assailant pursues his purposes; and

    (b) he believes, on reasonable grounds, that he cannot otherwise preserve himself from death or grievous bodily harm.


    And under Preventing Assault:

    (1) Every one is justified in using force to defend himself or any one under his protection from assault, if he uses no more force than is necessary to prevent the assault or the repetition of it.

    As far as Defense of Property, that's a bit different:

    (1) Every one who is in peaceable possession of personal property, and every one lawfully assisting him, is justified

    (a) in preventing a trespasser from taking it, or

    (b) in taking it from a trespasser who has taken it,

    if he does not strike or cause bodily harm to the trespasser.

    Assault by trespasser

    (2) Where a person who is in peaceable possession of personal property lays hands on it, a trespasser who persists in attempting to keep it or take it from him or from any one lawfully assisting him shall be deemed to commit an assault without justification or provocation.
    R.S., c. C-34, s. 38.

    Defence with claim of right

    39. (1) Every one who is in peaceable possession of personal property under a claim of right, and every one acting under his authority, is protected from criminal responsibility for defending that possession, even against a person entitled by law to possession of it, if he uses no more force than is necessary.

    Defence of dwelling

    40. Every one who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house, and every one lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority, is justified in using as much force as is necessary to prevent any person from forcibly breaking into or forcibly entering the dwelling-house without lawful authority.

    R.S., c. C-34, s. 40.

    Defence of house or real property

    41. (1) Every one who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property, and every one lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority, is justified in using force to prevent any person from trespassing on the dwelling-house or real property, or to remove a trespasser therefrom, if he uses no more force than is necessary.


    http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc...:s_3_1-gb:s_34

    So my read of that is that you can use reasonable (and if needed lethal) force in defense of yourself or others if you believe there is no other course of action to preserve life. Property is another matter because the law in Canada recognizes that losing your life is not the same as losing the cash on top of your dresser. As well, of course, you have to deal with the issues of strict gun ownership and legal storage of firearms laws, especially with children in your home.

    Personally I'd suggest you get a nice German Shepherd puppy from a good breeder, take it for training and enjoy a lovely pet that will warn you about strangers on your property. I grew up with a couple of huge male GSD's and they were wonderful family pets. However, I know it gave people something to think about if they wanted to break in with a 120 lb dog in the house who loved his family VERY much.

    We did have one drunken and violent idiot who tried to get in once. Amazing how fast he exited the property when we turned the dog loose. Chum never put a tooth in the man, he just "escorted" him to our property line. :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine The Castle Doctrine removes all the ifs ands or buts from the right to defend yourself.
  • 03-20-2009, 12:18 PM
    Earl
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nixer View Post
    does anyone else think that earl lives in the funny farm :rofl:

    I'm serious. Those are my two worst neighbors from hell.
  • 03-20-2009, 01:20 PM
    ncbloods
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    I'm serious. Those are my two worst neighbors from hell.

    Makes me glad that I don't really have neighbors.
  • 03-20-2009, 02:13 PM
    mainbutter
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    My worst neighbor I've ever had is the guy who has the apartment above me.

    He's unemployed, has no tv, and has really squeaky floorboards. He spends most of the day pacing around by the sound of it, I assume because he has nothing to occupy his time.

    I've lucked out with neighbors/college roommates. While there has been plenty of drugs and alcohol around, I've never had my room broken into and had stuff stolen.

    I HAVE had plenty of people accidently walk into my room thinking it was theirs, but it was funny more than anything else. Besides, who HASN'T stumbled into the wrong room on campus on occasion? :rolleyes: certainly not me :rolleyes:
  • 03-20-2009, 02:53 PM
    Earl
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ncbloods View Post
    Makes me glad that I don't really have neighbors.

    I did try and help them. I really did. I talked to Francine about my mom going through surgery to have a breast removed and how she dealt with it, even had my mom talk to her. She refused to listen though and recently pulled me aside when I came home from work and told me she wasn't going to make it.

    I do try.

    Natalie on the other hand....let's just say I don't know whatever happened to her. My wife did offer friendship and help but one day she just was gone.

    In the end all you can ever do is tend to your own backyard and do your best.
  • 03-20-2009, 03:29 PM
    JamieLynn
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    At one point in time we had someone living next to us, he would make threats at our mix dog when she would bark at him for getting too close to the gate. Of corse I yelled at him a few times for throwing rocks at her. And she was a super sweet dog, she was only barking because she wanted to play. Well when she was about a year and a half, some other dog jumpped the fence and she got preggo. She had 5 cute little pups, when they were 2 weeks old I let her out to go potty, about 15-20 min while I cleaned her puppy box. She came in staggering like she was drunk, and started to throw up. I ran her to the vet, who could only give her some shots, she died that night.:tears:
    a few days later the nieghbor walked by the yard running his hand along the fence and said "finnaly some quiet"
    Bas-turd Killed my dog!
    He also catnapped our 2 kittys and took them to the shelter, several times. We left my brother-in-law to cat sit while we were out of town and told him not to let them outside...he did. and our cats are gone, either taken to the shelter again or killed...I did check with the shelters, they said they did not get our cats in.

    His kids were brats too. We have bans on fireworks most summers because it gets so dry here, one year his kids were in his yard shooting bottle rockets at the side of my house.

    So I called the cops, and they said that since the kids were gone when they got there there was nothing they could do.:taz:
    They also said that since I did not have a video, or pictures of my dog being poisoned they could do nothing.:taz:

    (this was living in a trailler court)

    Now the people that live downstairs from us keep turing up their music so loud it rattles things off the shelves, normaly they stop before 10pm..so noting we can do about that. (city said if the noise is between 12pm and 10pm it doese not violate any city rules)



    I'll be moving soon, I hope whoever I end up living near can be civil.
  • 03-20-2009, 03:56 PM
    hud556
    Re: Stupid druggie nieghbors!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    I notice you are in Canada. Are you guys allowed to protect your homes and families up there through the use of firearms? If so, I would suggest you purchase one before your neighbor graduates from petty theft to higher forms of criminal activity.

    exactly what i was gonna say
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