questions on night lighing

right now i use infrared heat lamps but i wanna add more red light in the cages. does any one have any idea. stuff like red led red fluorescent bulb, etc

Cold Cathode comes to mind but you must have at least basic knowledge of electricity and I have never seen it in cages! Just thought i'd throw it out there.
http://www.logisyscomputer.com/views...12RD2&DID=CCFL

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Originally Posted by Jsh

Cold Cathode comes to mind but you must have at least basic knowledge of electricity and I have never seen it in cages! Just thought i'd throw it out there.
http://www.logisyscomputer.com/views...12RD2&DID=CCFL

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i have a pile of these beside my desk at work.

hmm should i try.

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Originally Posted by JeffJ

i have a pile of these beside my desk at work.

hmm should i try.

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I'm defiantly not recommending it only because I have no experience with these as lighting for reptiles. If someone does decide to try these out I think it would look great. You can actually dim these from what I hear also. The example site I used is really lighting for CPU's.

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Originally Posted by Jsh

I'm defiantly not recommending it only because I have no experience with these as lighting for reptiles. If someone does decide to try these out I think it would look great. You can actually dim these from what I hear also. The example site I used is really lighting for CPU's.

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yes they are dimmable. now the issue is how much white light do they give off. and would it mess up the day/night cycle.

also can snakes not red light in general or does it have to be a specific light?

I would think they wouldn't give off any white light. I'm also not sure if it would mess up the day/night cycle but if they were on a timer I wouldn't thank so.

how about these leds

http://www.acolyteled.com/products/stl25ac.html

i was wondering do bps and boa dont see red or what is it about the color red

you could find some red LED rope light and route it into your existing cages. I have seen that done before.

that priceeeeee i know the led rope is 12vdc and you have to have a converter to make it from ac to dc

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Originally Posted by zombie&lemons

that priceeeeee i know the led rope is 12vdc and you have to have a converter to make it from ac to dc

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what on earth are you talking about? Rope lights are like 10$ for 4 feet. Why would you need to convert from AC to DC?

i ment dc to ac sorry
were can i find rope lighting with all the stuff to wire it up??

ok guys im going ot do a project tonight ill post pics. RED LED Cool Cathode tube light. :)

i was going ot go with blue but im worried that would bother the BP. maybe ill take both tho and see how they look :P

what about this

http://www.environmentallights.com/c...ed-ribbon-flex

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what about this

http://www.environmentallights.com/c...ed-ribbon-flex

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wow, the price on that is OUTRAGEOUS i could probably make that for 3/4 to 1/2 the price. with stuff kicking around.

they sell led tape for computer case mods. all it would take is a little know how and some simple soldering to get it working on a 12V dc wall power source. and would cold half that.

ive been looking around on that site and they have cheaper prices

let me know how it comes out

why are you making this so complicated. Google rope lights and go to shopping. They sell them at bed bath and beyond, home depot, target, some drug stores. This stuff is not hard to find and doesn't new to be "wired". It just has a plug attached to it.

ok ok
ok

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

why are you making this so complicated. Google rope lights and go to shopping. They sell them at bed bath and beyond, home depot, target, some drug stores. This stuff is not hard to find and doesn't new to be "wired". It just has a plug attached to it.

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bah i just like the challenge :D

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Originally Posted by JeffJ

bah i just like the challenge :D

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I am directing that to the OP who seems to think rope lights are complicated

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

I am directing that to the OP who seems to think rope lights are complicated

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ohhh lol
well i brough home a cool blue and a cool red cathode tube light. I just finished wiring up a 12v DC 500mA power source for it. im about to try them out. the red one will be fine he wont even see it. the blue one im curious to see if it irritates him. i hope not as i could use the blue one for day light and red for night viewing.

awesome, can't wait to see how it turns out! I prefer the simple route :D

i want pics when your done

I originally wired some white ccfls to use, but when I wired it I did it directly so I had plug it in and out when I wanted it on/off, which is pretty annoying. Make sure you wire it though so you make use of the on/off switch that came with the ccfls.

thasnks for the heads up but i already intended to use a switch :)

anyways here is the power source. 12V 500mA DC
http://i43.tinypic.com/2iablv5.jpg

Here is the thing connected ot the harness, switches and inverter box. i ended up using led tubes as the cathode tubes colors looked washed and provided no lighting effect. good thing i brought home both :D
http://i44.tinypic.com/121u9mc.jpg

now obviously ill find places for the switches and the inverter in a hidden spot. but this looks interesting i will post pics of what it looks like installed.

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Originally Posted by zombie&lemons

that priceeeeee i know the led rope is 12vdc and you have to have a converter to make it from ac to dc

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our two snakes absolutely love their red light. we tried alot of different lights but they prefer their leds. their not like a typical bulb that will keep raising heat leds are constantly a temp that a snake feels. ours are far more active in red leds.

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Originally Posted by candyman88

our two snakes absolutely love their red light. we tried alot of different lights but they prefer their leds. their not like a typical bulb that will keep raising heat leds are constantly a temp that a snake feels. ours are far more active in red leds.

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Snakes can't see red, so how can they love it?

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Snakes can't see red, so how can they love it?

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context :P

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Originally Posted by JeffJ

context :P

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Lol, my question remains. How can you love something you are not aware of?

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Lol, my question remains. How can you love something you are not aware of?

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im installing the lights right now, my boy is dominating a nice adult mouse right now.... no rat pups

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Originally Posted by JeffJ

im installing the lights right now, my boy is dominating a nice adult mouse right now.... no rat pups

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How much does he weigh now? (The snake that is)

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

How much does he weigh now? (The snake that is)

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havnt weighed him, he is 24" or so maybe a lil more

it was just a bit bigger then his thickets part sp its a good size. hoppers never left a lump in him either he could eat 2 or 3

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Originally Posted by JeffJ

havnt weighed him, he is 24" or so maybe a lil more

it was just a bit bigger then his thickets part sp its a good size. hoppers never left a lump in him either he could eat 2 or 3

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I think its time to invest in a scale :gj:

I can't beleive I went 4 months without one

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

I think its time to invest in a scale :gj:

I can't beleive I went 4 months without one

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i have a scale, but id rather not use it for my snake lol ill get another

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Originally Posted by JeffJ

i have a scale, but id rather not use it for my snake lol ill get another

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my bad, time to invest in a snake scale.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

my bad, time to invest in a snake scale.

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ill get one that can tear with a large bowl on it. theo ne i have only goes to 250 grams....

Ok so i installed the LED tube light with Velcro to the top of my enclosure lid.
http://i42.tinypic.com/ngrfck.jpg

and here is what it looks like in action. i think i will enjoy this new viewing pleasure.
i messed up my tinfoil for the second time in 2 days lol so the pic is with it tor right off so i can redo it.
http://i44.tinypic.com/2r3jvrl.jpg

Looks good! I am impressed!

As for a snake scale, I bought one at target for 25 bucks and it goes up to 7000 grams.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Looks good! I am impressed!

As for a snake scale, I bought one at target for 25 bucks and it goes up to 7000 grams.

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:D well ill have to find the Canadian equiv to Target and get one. and im impressed too. LED tube lights for a computer are $10 and i had the power source and spare molex (pc power connector) connector kicking around my household. solder it and shrink wrap the connections and your set. now i just have to cleanly mount the switches and inverter. i tested the blue one. but it was too bright for night light so i just bailed on it. but u could usei t for day light.

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Originally Posted by candyman88

ours are far more active in red leds.

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Far more active with ball pythons USUALLY = stressed ball python.

Are these lights just being installed for the keeper's pleasure? Because the ball pythons don't require supplemental light.

Nice Job! Looks cool!

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Far more active with ball pythons USUALLY = stressed ball python.

Are these lights just being installed for the keeper's pleasure? Because the ball pythons don't require supplemental light.

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Thank you!!! Seems far too many new people to this hobby want to set up an enclosure that suits them, and not the BP's they're keeping in them.

If ya' want a display snake folks, they sell Corns and ATB's all day long and twice on Sundays.

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Originally Posted by Slim

Thank you!!! Seems far too many new people to this hobby want to set up an enclosure that suits them, and not the BP's they're keeping in them.

If ya' want a display snake folks, they sell Corns and ATB's all day long and twice on Sundays.

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the light is for my pleasure, its also a red light so your argument about it bothering the snake or if it needs it is mute, its unaffected either way :)

I work in lighting... and even a 1-3 watt LED is unbearable to look into.

Personally I would not put them in a snakes enclosure.

And as far the comment about the snakes responding to the heat... LEDs do not throw any heat (well except for 1-3 watts). So not sure the rationale on that one.

If you are using LEDs, use it as an INDIRECT lighting, not direct.

Any doubt, hold an LED up to your eye and see just how bright they are.

Bruce

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Originally Posted by Bruce Whitehead

I work in lighting... and even a 1-3 watt LED is unbearable to look into.

Personally I would not put them in a snakes enclosure.

And as far the comment about the snakes responding to the heat... LEDs do not throw any heat (well except for 1-3 watts). So not sure the rationale on that one.

If you are using LEDs, use it as an INDIRECT lighting, not direct.

Any doubt, hold an LED up to your eye and see just how bright they are.

Bruce

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the LED's are dimmed down, they are also in a tube thats frosted red, so its indirect. i also thought of the brightness factor and decided that it was ok. i did stare into it and see if it gave me eye spots and i didnt get them so it wasnt very bright to me. anyhow, its red led's so it should be undetectable to the snake.

Wattage = Voltage X Current

12 X .5 = 6W

although i HIGHLY doubt the led's take up anywhere near that. i bet a 100mA supply would work.

which would be 1.2W if the LED's even maxed it out.

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Originally Posted by JeffJ

the light is for my pleasure, its also a red light so your argument about it bothering the snake or if it needs it is mute, its unaffected either way :)

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You said it, the light is for your pleasure, not the snakes....that was my whole point.

Your snake is unaffected by red light huh? Please show me the research that backs up your statement....Oh, what's that? You don't have any research...you've just read where everybody said BP's can't see in the red spectrum. Yeah, that's what I thought.

You might have given some thought to the fact that no one has done any substantive research into how different spectrums of light affect BP behavior. I can tell you from my personal observations with my own BP's that they can see under red spectrum lighting....but like every one else, I can't tell you how much they see under red light. I don't see any reason to risk stressing my snakes because it looks pretty. If you want to take the risk, more power to you.

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Originally Posted by Slim

You said it, the light is for your pleasure, not the snakes....that was my whole point.

Your snake is unaffected by red light huh? Please show me the research that backs up your statement....Oh, what's that? You don't have any research...you've just read where everybody said BP's can't see in the red spectrum. Yeah, that's what I thought.

You might have given some thought to the fact that no one has done any substantive research into how different spectrums of light affect BP behavior. I can tell you from my personal observations with my own BP's that they can see under red spectrum lighting....but like every one else, I can't tell you how much they see under red light. I don't see any reason to risk stressing my snakes because it looks pretty. If you want to take the risk, more power to you.

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its my choice, even the breeder i got it from suggested a red light for night viewing. Zoo med sells Red heat lamps with the intent of night viewing. i even think it says it on the box. if you haven't done enough research your self to confirm or deny that they can or cannot see red definitively then you dont have a right to be a critic. PS: its a WELL documented fact that most if not all nocturnal animals cannot see the red light spectrum. so have you done your research?

also i don't appreciate the fact that your talking down to me like im an uneducated moron who is incapable of looking up facts about a subject. if you knew me you would have thought twice about asking if i did the research.

EDIT: to add to this ill explain red light, its the longest of wave length in the light spectrum. this IS the reason why nocturnal animals cannot see it there eyes do not proses light of that wave length.

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Originally Posted by JeffJ

its my choice, even the breeder i got it from suggested a red light for night viewing. Zoo med sells Red heat lamps with the intent of night viewing. i even think it says it on the box. if you haven't done enough research your self to confirm or deny that they can or cannot see red definitively then you dont have a right to be a critic. PS: its a WELL documented fact that most if not all nocturnal animals cannot see the red light spectrum. so have you done your research?

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Dude, read your own post, it' all hearsay...somebody said, I was told, I heard from my breeder, kind of stuff. The link you provided is a dodge...it's generic drivel about most nocturnal animals.

I've done enough reseach to know that there is no study out there, dinfintive or otherwise. Not my first rodeo.

EDIT - Nice edit to your post to remove the link you provided...LOL

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Originally Posted by Slim

Dude, read your own post, it' all hearsay...somebody said, I was told, I heard from my breeder, kind of stuff. The link you provided is a dodge...it's generic drivel about most nocturnal animals.

I've done enough reseach to know that there is no study out there, dinfintive or otherwise. Not my first rodeo.

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do some research i assure you you will retract your statement. you keep saying you have done it but if you did we wouldn't be arguing over it.

Post your research paper on the effects of red spectrum lighting on Ball Python behavior, and I'll be happy to admit I'm wrong.

wow i just asked about night time lighting not a fight over red lights dang