questions on night lighing

[Slim]

Far more active with ball pythons USUALLY = stressed ball python.

Are these lights just being installed for the keeper's pleasure? Because the ball pythons don't require supplemental light.

Thank you!!! Seems far too many new people to this hobby want to set up an enclosure that suits them, and not the BP's they're keeping in them.

If ya' want a display snake folks, they sell Corns and ATB's all day long and twice on Sundays.

[JeffJ]

Thank you!!! Seems far too many new people to this hobby want to set up an enclosure that suits them, and not the BP's they're keeping in them.

If ya' want a display snake folks, they sell Corns and ATB's all day long and twice on Sundays.

the light is for my pleasure, its also a red light so your argument about it bothering the snake or if it needs it is mute, its unaffected either way

[Bruce Whitehead]

I work in lighting... and even a 1-3 watt LED is unbearable to look into.

Personally I would not put them in a snakes enclosure.

And as far the comment about the snakes responding to the heat... LEDs do not throw any heat (well except for 1-3 watts). So not sure the rationale on that one.

If you are using LEDs, use it as an INDIRECT lighting, not direct.

Any doubt, hold an LED up to your eye and see just how bright they are.

Bruce

[JeffJ]

I work in lighting... and even a 1-3 watt LED is unbearable to look into.

Personally I would not put them in a snakes enclosure.

And as far the comment about the snakes responding to the heat... LEDs do not throw any heat (well except for 1-3 watts). So not sure the rationale on that one.

If you are using LEDs, use it as an INDIRECT lighting, not direct.

Any doubt, hold an LED up to your eye and see just how bright they are.

Bruce

the LED's are dimmed down, they are also in a tube thats frosted red, so its indirect. i also thought of the brightness factor and decided that it was ok. i did stare into it and see if it gave me eye spots and i didnt get them so it wasnt very bright to me. anyhow, its red led's so it should be undetectable to the snake.

Wattage = Voltage X Current

12 X .5 = 6W

although i HIGHLY doubt the led's take up anywhere near that. i bet a 100mA supply would work.

which would be 1.2W if the LED's even maxed it out.

[Slim]

the light is for my pleasure, its also a red light so your argument about it bothering the snake or if it needs it is mute, its unaffected either way

You said it, the light is for your pleasure, not the snakes....that was my whole point.

Your snake is unaffected by red light huh? Please show me the research that backs up your statement....Oh, what's that? You don't have any research...you've just read where everybody said BP's can't see in the red spectrum. Yeah, that's what I thought.

You might have given some thought to the fact that no one has done any substantive research into how different spectrums of light affect BP behavior. I can tell you from my personal observations with my own BP's that they can see under red spectrum lighting....but like every one else, I can't tell you how much they see under red light. I don't see any reason to risk stressing my snakes because it looks pretty. If you want to take the risk, more power to you.

[JeffJ]

You said it, the light is for your pleasure, not the snakes....that was my whole point.

Your snake is unaffected by red light huh? Please show me the research that backs up your statement....Oh, what's that? You don't have any research...you've just read where everybody said BP's can't see in the red spectrum. Yeah, that's what I thought.

You might have given some thought to the fact that no one has done any substantive research into how different spectrums of light affect BP behavior. I can tell you from my personal observations with my own BP's that they can see under red spectrum lighting....but like every one else, I can't tell you how much they see under red light. I don't see any reason to risk stressing my snakes because it looks pretty. If you want to take the risk, more power to you.

its my choice, even the breeder i got it from suggested a red light for night viewing. Zoo med sells Red heat lamps with the intent of night viewing. i even think it says it on the box. if you haven't done enough research your self to confirm or deny that they can or cannot see red definitively then you dont have a right to be a critic. PS: its a WELL documented fact that most if not all nocturnal animals cannot see the red light spectrum. so have you done your research?

also i don't appreciate the fact that your talking down to me like im an uneducated moron who is incapable of looking up facts about a subject. if you knew me you would have thought twice about asking if i did the research.

EDIT: to add to this ill explain red light, its the longest of wave length in the light spectrum. this IS the reason why nocturnal animals cannot see it there eyes do not proses light of that wave length.

[Slim]

its my choice, even the breeder i got it from suggested a red light for night viewing. Zoo med sells Red heat lamps with the intent of night viewing. i even think it says it on the box. if you haven't done enough research your self to confirm or deny that they can or cannot see red definitively then you dont have a right to be a critic. PS: its a WELL documented fact that most if not all nocturnal animals cannot see the red light spectrum. so have you done your research?

Dude, read your own post, it' all hearsay...somebody said, I was told, I heard from my breeder, kind of stuff. The link you provided is a dodge...it's generic drivel about most nocturnal animals.

I've done enough reseach to know that there is no study out there, dinfintive or otherwise. Not my first rodeo.

EDIT - Nice edit to your post to remove the link you provided...LOL

[JeffJ]

Dude, read your own post, it' all hearsay...somebody said, I was told, I heard from my breeder, kind of stuff. The link you provided is a dodge...it's generic drivel about most nocturnal animals.

I've done enough reseach to know that there is no study out there, dinfintive or otherwise. Not my first rodeo.

do some research i assure you you will retract your statement. you keep saying you have done it but if you did we wouldn't be arguing over it.

[Slim]

Post your research paper on the effects of red spectrum lighting on Ball Python behavior, and I'll be happy to admit I'm wrong.

[zombie&lemons]

wow i just asked about night time lighting not a fight over red lights dang