Bad news.....nightmare

The last egg pipped...the head of the baby is completely deformed. There seems to be only one eye and the eye that is there is oversized and cloudy. The lower jaw is coming over the front of the nose and on top of the upper jaw. I'm gonna call this one and say it won't be able to feed. I couldn't ask for worse...killing a snake.

My question is, what do you guys think is the best way to do this?


And don't tell me to post pics please. If I wanted to I would have. I might change my mind but please don't ask.

what i have heard from some big breeders is freeze them :(

i know it sounds harsh but its pain will be gone


some people also feed them to like savannah monitors or tegus , but you probably wont want to do that

I am so sorry to hear 'read' that...:(:tears:

I am not sure what a good way to kill am animal is because the is to easy way. At least not for me. If it was me I think I wouldn't be able to do anything but take it to a vet and have it euthanized... I know it cost money but, something like that would kill me.

I hope that everyone else is healthy for you. Good Luck and I am so sad for you.

~Hollie~

People freeze them, but you can always give the little guy a shot to live you never no:banana:

I know it sounds bad but do u have any pics of it??? I want to see the extent of its disability

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Originally Posted by sg1trogdor

I know it sounds bad but do u have any pics of it??? I want to see the extent of its disability

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I second that notion, seeing it would definately help people give more informed suggestions....

:( im sorry you have to deal with that... in a perfect world it would make it.. perhaps giving it a try would be worth a shot.. i have never been in that position before though. If I had to I suppose I would have it humanely put to sleep.

I'm so sorry to hear this...:(

Sorry for your loss

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Originally Posted by PhillyBoyInTN

I second that notion, seeing it would definately help people give more informed suggestions....

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Death is death, how would seeing it help?

I just want some suggestions on forms of death. I know alot of people freeze but I don't believe this is humane enough. Will the dry ice/water chamber work the same for snakes as it does feeders?

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Originally Posted by Chase13

Death is death, how would seeing it help?

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perhaps it isnt as severe as some others have seen.. there is a world of experience here and everyone is just trying to assist you, perhaps this animal could live.. the people here are just trying to help

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Originally Posted by AshleyB

perhaps it isnt as severe as some others have seen.. there is a world of experience here and everyone is just trying to assist you, perhaps this animal could live.. the people here are just trying to help

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I have set beliefs on keeping animals, and IMO, keeping this animal is cruel. It would never survive normally. If I posted pictures, it would be for the benefit of education. I don't wanna hear people say "it's not that bad" because I will have a problem with force feeding a snake every week for its entire life. The animal needs to be put down and I wanna know the most humane way to do this from home.

I do not speak from experience, but the idea of 'freezing' has always unsettled me. Is such a death quick and painless? (That's an honest question, not a rhetoric judgment.)

What about using the CO2 method used for killing rats? I would assume it would have the same effect on a snake, and from all accounts, it is the most humane way to do it; no pain or discomfort, just sleepiness and then bye-bye. Perhaps somebody with experience can chime in on that.

Regardless of how you do it, I am very sorry for you and the snake. It must be a very disheartening experience for you. Take care.

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Originally Posted by NightLad

What about using the CO2 method used for killing rats? I would assume it would have the same effect on a snake, and from all accounts, it is the most humane way to do it; no pain or discomfort, just sleepiness and then bye-bye.

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My thoughts exactly. Thank you.

Post the pics.. I've had this before. and tried to keep them alive. Wont do that again! If you dont want to freeze them , Then just chop off there heads. Fast and easy LOL!

tough decision!
I hope I never have to make it.

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Then just chop off there heads. Fast and easy LOL!

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How is this funny? If you think chopping the heads off of deformed babies that YOU produce is fun, never come near my snakes. This really is serious and hard for me. If killing them is easy for you fine, but it isn't for me so would you mind showing a little respect, or don't post in my thread.

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Post the pics.. I've had this before. and tried to keep them alive. Wont do that again! If you dont want to freeze them , Then just chop off there heads. Fast and easy LOL!

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omg.. thats terrible!! Im sorry to hear you also had one with problems. I personally would rather use CO2 then to remove their heads.. I could never do that. Its really upsetting to hear anyone use LOL and removing any part of an animals body in the same sentence..

Im sorry Chase that you have to deal with this.

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Originally Posted by Chase13

How is this funny? If you think chopping the heads off of deformed babies that YOU produce is fun, never come near my snakes. This really is serious and hard for me. If killing them is easy for you fine, but it isn't for me so would you mind showing a little respect, or don't post in my thread.

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Calm down you little prick. I was trying to make you laugh!
I have had this happen before. to a whole clutch, I tried to save them But they all DIED! A horrible death. Good luck !

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Calm down you little prick. I was trying to make you laugh!
I have had this happen before. to a whole clutch, I tried to save them But they all DIED! A horrible death. Good luck !

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I never insulted you or call you a name. I simply said I didn't find that funny or appropriate at all and asked you not to post in this thread. It's really disgusting however that you think decapitating an innocent baby python makes you laugh. Please remove yourself from this thread, you're not helping at all.

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Originally Posted by Chase13

I never insulted you or call you a name. I simply said I didn't find that funny or appropriate at all and asked you not to post in this thread. It's really disgusting however that you think decapitating an innocent baby python makes you laugh. Please remove yourself from this thread, you're not helping at all.

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Done!:gj:

If I had to deal with this scenario I think I would try the CO2 chamber, seems the most humane to me also. I'm really sorry for the loss.

Put it in the freezer and get on with life

http://www.anapsid.org/euth.html

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Originally Posted by ShawnT

Put it in the freezer and get on with life

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If you read the entire thread before posting, I said earlier I won't do this. I want its death to be as comfortable as possible, and by how much bp.net stresses on keeping temps dead on for the comfort(and other things) of the snake, I don't see how the freezer is an accepted form. The death aspect is just as important as the life IMO.

Quote from Connies thread:

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Nevertheless, the brain of a decapitated reptile may remain active for up to an hour, so decapitation by itself is inhumane.

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enough said

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

http://www.anapsid.org/euth.html

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Decapitation is an easy way to kill a reptile in that no special equipment or drugs are necessary. Nevertheless, the brain of a decapitated reptile may remain active for up to an hour, so decapitation by itself is inhumane. It may be used if the brain is pithed, or destroyed by the insertion of a probe, immediately afterwards. Some of you may have pithed leopard frogs in high school biology prior to their dissection.

Freezing has been used as a humane method to kill small reptiles under one pound in weight. Although low temperatures do result in a state of torpor, the formation of ice crystals in the tissue is quite painful. Freezing should only be done to anesthetized animals.


Thank you, that was very informative and resourceful. I think I'm going to go with the dryice chamber. Thank you for those that showed help and sympathy. This really is hard for me.

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Originally Posted by AshleyB

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enough said

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Not quite enough yet.. The animal is way over an hour old, and still suffering.. It could have been over and done with by now, But somebodey feels bad for it and wants it to suffer 10 more days before he can make up HIS LITTLE mind on what to do with said Animal.. Poor thing!! And I wouldnt chop its head off, That was a joke like I said. But It would go in the freezer the minute it hatched.

Jas, please discontinue posting in this thread. I won't ask again.

they are cold blooded put it in the freezer and it will just fall asleep... Big breeders and small breeders feel bad when they get one of those but its the best way to do it... i know you dont want to because you think it would hurt but your thinking like a warm blooded animal.

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Not quite enough yet.. The animal is way over an hour old, and still suffering.. It could have been over and done with by now, But somebodey feels bad for it and wants it to suffer 10 more days before he can make up HIS LITTLE mind on what to do with said Animal.. Poor thing!! And I wouldnt chop its head off, That was a joke like I said. But It would go in the freezer the minute it hatched.

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You have no idea if the animal is suffering. I'm sitting right next to it and it is doing the same routine of hatching as any other snake. Its just deformed and wont be able to feed so it needs to be put to sleep. And how can you say 'poor thing' after making a joke about chopping its head off. I already asked you to stay off the thread twice and you even agreed to it. Now for the 3rd time, shut up.

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Originally Posted by mlededee

Jas, please discontinue posting in this thread. I won't ask again.

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Thank you.

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Originally Posted by NickMyers03

they are cold blooded put it in the freezer and it will just fall asleep...

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I am not saying you are wrong at all but I'm curious if there is any evidence that this is true.

how is death comfortable?


Just freeze it foo. Nick is right, they slowly fall asleep, as the temps drop below 50 or somethin like that. If you were really "sad" about this whole thing, you would have froze them hours ago like everyone here said to do.

I'm so sorry to hear about your baby Chase13. If I were in your shoes I would use a combination of methods. The problem with the CO2 chamber method is that reptiles do not use nearly as much air as mammals, so this is not nearly as affective for them and takes a very long time. What I did once when I had to put down a deformed crested hatchling was to place it in a mini-CO2 chamber for several minutes in order to hopefully take away any pain (the CO2 has a numbing affect) to prep it for freezing, and then I put it in the freezer in order to finish the job. I don't really know how affective the CO2 really was, but as least it helped me to feel better about it.

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If you read the entire thread before posting, I said earlier I won't do this. I want its death to be as comfortable as possible, and by how much bp.net stresses on keeping temps dead on for the comfort(and other things) of the snake, I don't see how the freezer is an accepted form. The death aspect is just as important as the life IMO.

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If you already decided what is wrong and what is right then what is the point of this thread?

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Not quite enough yet.. The animal is way over an hour old, and still suffering.. It could have been over and done with by now, But somebodey feels bad for it and wants it to suffer 10 more days before he can make up HIS LITTLE mind on what to do with said Animal.. Poor thing!! And I wouldnt chop its head off, That was a joke like I said. But It would go in the freezer the minute it hatched.

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Exactly. If you are going to breed, be man enough to deal with the consequinces. If you are so certain based on your expertise that it needs an immediate death, in fact so certain that the situation is so critical that it wouldn't even make sense to post a pic for an experienced second opinion... Why is the dam thing still suffering? How many days do you plan to make it suffer so you have time to determine a suitable death that you can live with?

By the way, this is a FORUM. When you ask a question as a member of a FORUM, it is not YOUR thread. It is a thread that belongs to everyone in the FORUM that participates in it.

YOU DO NOT GET TO CHOOSE WHO REPLIES.

just my 2 cents.

I also suggest the CO2 chamber. However, I once heard that because rodents breath at a faster rate than reptiles, they fall asleep faster due to the drop in oxygen and die in their sleep whereas a reptile breaths slower and would suffer from the effects of deadly levels of CO2. But this is probably more humane than the freezer.

Sorry this has happened and I hope for a quick and painless passing for the little guy.

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how is death comfortable?


Just freeze it foo. Nick is right, they slowly fall asleep, as the temps drop below 50 or somethin like that. If you were really "sad" about this whole thing, you would have froze them hours ago like everyone here said to do.

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Yes, me not chucking it into the freezer makes me not sad at all. You are so intelligent and helpful. I wasn't presented with any info on the effects of the freezer method until NOW so why would I have made any action until asking on here, like the forum is meant for.

This thread needs to be locked...his question was answered. :salute:

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Originally Posted by mcavana

Exactly. If you are going to breed, be man enough to deal with the consequinces. If you are so certain based on your expertise that it needs an immediate death, in fact so certain that the situation is so critical that it wouldn't even make sense to post a pic for an experienced second opinion... Why is the dam thing still suffering? How many days do you plan to make it suffer so you have time to determine a suitable death that you can live with?

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Where did I say anything about being certain it needs an immediate death??? When I said "i won't keep it alive", I was implying that I wont try and raise the animal. And again, the animal isn't suffering.

Chase,
You should take it to your vet OR animal control facility and have them put it to sleep with the same chemicals they use to put a dog or cat down...
I had a rooster get horribly mauled by a pit bull I drove it to an animal control place and paid them to put it down.
I hope you can let us know what you decided to do. but its 9:44 my time so I know time is of the essence.
Good luck and my heart goes out to you and this poor baby.

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Yes, me not chucking it into the freezer makes me not sad at all. You are so intelligent and helpful. I wasn't presented with any info on the effects of the freezer method until NOW so why would I have made any action until asking on here, like the forum is meant for.

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You have a piss-poor attitude about this whole thing, and frankly, quite shocking that you still expect people to help you after this DISPLAY of....whatever it was.

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Originally Posted by Chase13

Yes, me not chucking it into the freezer makes me not sad at all. You are so intelligent and helpful. I wasn't presented with any info on the effects of the freezer method until NOW so why would I have made any action until asking on here, like the forum is meant for.

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Got it all figured out don't you... Sorry none of us are as intelligent as you. Is the dam thing still alive?

I read somewhere that it may be more humane to cool an animal by putting it in the refrigerator before freezing it. It is supposed to reduce the possibility of the pain of ice crystals forming in the flesh. Not that it doesn't happen but the animal is less aware of it.

Don't know where I read it nor details such as how long to fridge it before you freeze it. Actually I'd really like to hear some feedback on whether or not this is true, since I don't know for sure.

Chase, I'm really sorry to hear about your deformed hatchling. This is something that I truly dread in looking forward to possibly breeding one day (especially how the kids will react).

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Originally Posted by mcavana

By the way, this is a FORUM. When you ask a question as a member of a FORUM, it is not YOUR thread. It is a thread that belongs to everyone in the FORUM that participates in it.

YOU DO NOT GET TO CHOOSE WHO REPLIES.

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I wasn't claiming ownership, when I make threads, I tend to refer to them as my threads...because I made it...and I wasn't forcing him out, I asked him nicely if he wouldn't post unless it was productive, and it wasn't.

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Originally Posted by mcavana

Got it all figured out don't you... Sorry none of us are as intelligent as you. Is the dam thing still alive?

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You response to the quote you used in your post had no connection. If I had it all figured out, I wouldn't make a thread. And I never said anything about being smarter then the "us" you refer to. I made more of a sarcastic comment on YOUR lack of intelligence, not theirs.

I don't think Chase13 is in any way having a pissy attitude in this thread. All he wants is an easy passing for a snake he feels will not have a good life. And showing compassion for an animal by not wanting it to suffer and find the most humane form of death for the little thing speaks more about his character than anyone else here saying to just chuck it in the freezer and go on with life. He obviously cares about the animal and he's doing the right thing.

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This thread needs to be locked...his question was answered. :salute:

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...yup...it's gettin pretty old mods...lock it up.... :lockd::bye::nerd:

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Originally Posted by Chase13

don't post in my thread.

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Originally Posted by Chase13

Please remove yourself from this thread, you're not helping at all.

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Originally Posted by Chase13

Now for the 3rd time, shut up.

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Originally Posted by Chase13

I tend to refer to them as my threads...because I made it...and I wasn't forcing him out

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Whatever. This is normally the point where I would tell you a little about yourself, but my status in these forums are too important to me. So please, just use your our imagination.




Grow up.

I find it funny that people in here have stooped so low as to be insulting fellow members. I doubt this thread was supposed to end this way. I think everyone needs to chill out and come back to this thread with a level head before posting such offensive garbage. :rage:

I dont see anyone throwing insults except for the OP.

He got his answer, it wasnt what he wanted to hear, so he gets defensive.


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...keman/Lock.jpg

I didn't see him throwing insults. He's getting defensive because he wants the best for his snake.