Anti-landlord racks from beeger??

So soon me my fiance and soon to be daughter will be moving to a rent home, I live in Alabama where (the only good snake is a dead snake) attitude makes up 80% of the population and 99% of any landlord I'm sure since (no offense to some) are all older people that have this drilled into their head for life. I don't not care about this landlords personal problems with snakes, I will not be notifying anyone of my snake. I've read that beeger makes anti landlord racks of all sizes you can lock up. I currently only have one snake but plan to get 2 more within the next year or two and will only need a 5 bin tub with a locking cover. When checking the sights merchandise they advertise their anti landlord units but have none of them listed. Do I need to ask them for these specific units or is it just a cover made to fit whatever unit you choose? I'm so sorry I made this so lengthy. To the point, anyone with experience with this group and these racks? Recomendations?

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Originally Posted by Albinoballpython

I will not be notifying anyone of my snake. I've read that beeger makes anti landlord racks of all sizes you can lock up. I currently only have one snake but plan to get 2 more within the next year or two and will only need a 5 bin tub with a locking cover.

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Where can I start with this in my most tactful manner??
Thank you for wanting to be a planned problem for the rest of those around you and those of us in this hobby that try to open peoples eyes.
That being said, why in your ever loving self centered mind would you take on more animals that you do not plan to be a responsible keeper to?
Yes it is a truthful question.
Did you ever think of how your actions represent the rest of those that are around you and those that may come after you?

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Where can I start with this in my most tactful manner??
Thank you for wanting to be a planned problem for the rest of those around you and those of us in this hobby that try to open peoples eyes.
That being said, why in your ever loving self centered mind would you take on more animals that you do not plan to be a responsible keeper to?
Yes it is a truthful question.
Did you ever think of how your actions represent the rest of those that are around you and those that may come after you?

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If he's not forbidden in the lease from having snakes, its a non-issue.. . local attitudes aren't relevant.. the wording on his lease is... He's looking to AVOID a problem during the inevitable occasional walk-throughs a landlord would be expected to make.

If snakes are not permitted on the lease, or if he's simply trying to avoid a pet deposit, then maybe that stern post is warranted. Was the original post edited because I see nothing that indicates he cant be a responsible keeper to his current or planned collection, other than being a snake guy in a community of snake haters...

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Where can I start with this in my most tactful manner??
Thank you for wanting to be a planned problem for the rest of those around you and those of us in this hobby that try to open peoples eyes.
That being said, why in your ever loving self centered mind would you take on more animals that you do not plan to be a responsible keeper to?
Yes it is a truthful question.
Did you ever think of how your actions represent the rest of those that are around you and those that may come after you?

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Thank you for your most..my relevant thoughts. Being closed minded is not the issue in the situation except on the oposite side, I am a psychologist that spends everyday attempting to show my patients thousands of different things way of looking at a situation to find the best reasoning or pathway to take steps to solve obstacles with ease and tenderness, which is what I am doing here. I live in a area where I cannot speak about my hobby at work or I will hear "your really gonna keep one of those things around when you will be having a child?" And "when that thing gets as big as your cars and eats you, you will regret it." I need to more to have extra room for our child and snakes, I've spoken to 5 landlords all who allowed pets (I also have a toy wiener and 2 mice I cannot hide so avoiding a pet deposit is not the problem) and all of them turned me down and would not speak to me because owning a snake is a symptom of being insaine within 200 miles each direction!
Now the comment below you seems to be more precise with his/or her conclusion and understands that my plan is to avoid loosing another possible dream home of my fiances by playing off the lease which does not specifically state that snakes are prohibited because people in their right mind would have one. So I need something nice to keep the collection in while being able to cover it neatly as needed to completely keep suspicions at a minimum to avoid having an issue. With that being said, It does suck more people are not more understand of the real nature of these animals and are blinded by horrible depictions of evil intentions of every snake they see on t.v. I spend everyday trying to educate that just because something is different or not understood by yourself dousnt mean you must ruin another person's life because of it. But now I am faced with a choice, do I loose more and more possibilities of the houses we need and want simply because they are not educated. My wife, my daughter, and my animals are my only family and I will do what I must to give them the best. I don't have alot of options for what we want and since we have to have pets it cuts our search into 1/4th what it could be so even more reason to take drastic measures and use wording and secracy to do what I must do. I appreciate your concern I'm glad you wish everyone to understand our love for our animals but I need help, not a lecture. I need a sizable house, not a cardboard box with "with snakes do not rent to" written on it to ruin my chances of having a house near my job.

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Originally Posted by Doggtyred

If he's not forbidden in the lease from having snakes, its a non-issue.. . local attitudes aren't relevant.. the wording on his lease is... He's looking to AVOID a problem during the inevitable occasional walk-throughs a landlord would be expected to make.

If snakes are not permitted on the lease, or if he's simply trying to avoid a pet deposit, then maybe that stern post is warranted. Was the original post edited because I see nothing that indicates he cant be a responsible keeper to his current or planned collection, other than being a snake guy in a community of snake haters...

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No my original post was not editied. I posted before I went to bed and woke up in hopes of some answer to help me aquire the house type I need so I would have space for all my animals and child and room for our other hobbies as well. No lease has stated against snakes and each house I'm looking at is pet friendly until the bring up my snakes. I've already cut my options down severely and know my other options are only welcoming to my dog and 2 pet mice with a pet deposit of course. I wish to have a system that can be easily hidden and locked during house visits (like you said) and family members that are afraid of my pets. I keep my snake in a glass terrarium displayed so simply placing him in a bin system already breaks my heart, I do not understand why the above commenter believes my wishes makes me a horrible care giver and a scorn on everything we reptile lovers stand for, when my entire goal is to give them everything they need which is their own room for privacy that can be temp regulated and disguised as an office to avoid searching 100 miles away from my job for a house which will cut down my time with my family and pets immensely.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Where can I start with this in my most tactful manner??
Thank you for wanting to be a planned problem for the rest of those around you and those of us in this hobby that try to open peoples eyes.
That being said, why in your ever loving self centered mind would you take on more animals that you do not plan to be a responsible keeper to?
Yes it is a truthful question.
Did you ever think of how your actions represent the rest of those that are around you and those that may come after you?

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I have to agree with this in some respects. I had a major move that I had to make a few years back. It did not state in my new lease that I could have not snakes but could have my cat and dog. However, I checked with my landlord about the snakes and was told that they were not allowed to come with me so I decided to do the right thing and rehome them. I am not saying you have to rehome your snakes but please do check to see if you can move them in with you or not.

My animals are also family to me but I did what I had to do and life still goes on. Now, I live in an a new house and because I checked with my landlord before moving in he is totally cool with me having snakes. Pit is right about one thing, there is so much negative propaganda about snakes already that it does not make sense to draw anymore negative attention to these magnificent creatures.

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Originally Posted by ballpythonluvr

I have to agree with this in some respects. I had a major move that I had to make a few years back. It did not state in my new lease that I could have not snakes but could have my cat and dog. However, I checked with my landlord about the snakes and was told that they were not allowed to come with me so I decided to do the right thing and rehome them. I am not saying you have to rehome your snakes but please do check to see if you can move them in with you or not.

My animals are also family to me but I did what I had to do and life still goes on. Now, I live in an a new house and because I checked with my landlord before moving in he is totally cool with me having snakes. Pit is right about one thing, there is so much negative propaganda about snakes already that it does not make sense to draw anymore negative attention to these magnificent creatures.

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This is what I am trying to do, I have been checking with landlord after landlord in my area but they all think they are dangerous creatures that only think about killing me and my family, small town, very old school, the only good snake is a dead snake. If I can find a landlord that just says pets friendly and dousnt ask about anything other than our dog and dousnt state in the lease about having other pets I think it would be fine to keep them unless my landlord found out and asked me to remove them, at that point I would. I'm not trying to lie to anyone to tweak their lease to meet my needs, if I'm asked if I have any other pets I'll tell them (which is what's happened to my other failed pet friendly houses I've looked at) creating more negative stigma something I'm willing to attempt by lieing to my landlord. Getting rid of my snakes in not an option for me, my wife would go into full on depression for months without them. Relocating my job to another area is not a possible option at all without taking a decent paycut which I cannot afford with our lifestyle and bills. I simply wish to have something with a cover like this person states they have so if my landlord dousnt ask what all I have and the lease just says pet friendly then maybe after a few years if the landlord asks what's inside the closed case and I say, "oh I have a small ball python I've had for years I keep him inside this ventilated locked rack system and show him/her than he is friendly, do a little BP education and show he cannot escape from the enclosure he or she may be more understanding and accepting of it seeing as I've had him for all that time under those conditions and who knows maybe they will be interested and want a cute little reptile in their life to, if not I will gladly be so kind to give up my child or ask if I can hold him until I find another place to live. No lieing, or going around anyone's back to create negative stigma for everyone.

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But what happens if you move in and keep the snake hidden, the landlord finds out and doesn't give you the chance to get rid of them? What if the landlord is so upset that he wants you out? I'm not sure how leases work in the states but could you be evicted for lying about the pets you're keeping on their property? Then what would you do with your family and snake if you have nowhere to live? IMO it doesn't seem worth it to hide the snake. I understand it is your family but I think there's more negative that could come from this than good.

If you can get some sort of vague but written blanket agreement of "pets ok," I would go with that, and still keep mum about the snakes.

I've also heard of the "anti land lord" racks, and think they are a good idea, but not because of deceit. Your land lord has a key to the place. Various maintenance and mgt people (depending) may also have access to that key. You really have no idea who will go snooping around when your gone, and might bother your animals. A protective and intimidating dog would be the only deterrent to that. So a locked non-descript (spell?) rack is good for your snakes.

I have owned rentals. I really didn't care what went on there as long as those actions didn't bother any one else, or put anyone in jeperody. (spell? sorry, I'm having trouble with spell check right now.)

There is a really easy fix to all of this. Do like we did and buy. Then you are in control of your property instead of living in someones house.

Purchase makes sense if person is planning to stay in an area long term. However, some RE markets are just impossibly inflated, and some people need more flexibility.

Personally, I don't care to rent, and esp. hate renting from any place run by a property mgt. company.

If I cannot get a well written lease that loosely written about pets, and a landlord that dousnt care what pets just says yes pets are OK without asking what all pets I have or something that I can use to save my butt. If that dousnt work I'll buy

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The whole point of this is not to fool the landlord or screw him or her out of money. Unless I have legal stand way to stay where I'm at atleast for a limited time if he or she decided the snakes couldn't stay then I don't want it. I have no chances of getting a place where a landlord would be ok with a demonic flying mutant killer snake locked away even if you explained to them otherwise. I just want legal stand point and a rack that dousnt look suspicious, since this rack looks like a filing or gun cabinet with locks they wouldn't think about it, and if they did and I told them it would look very secure as to help persuade them there would be no lockpicking snakes able to get out.

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Do NOT ever sneak pets into a renting unit, no matter the species. Your landlord WILL find out and you WILL be out on the street in a week.

Unfortunately you need to live by the rules your landlord sets, it is their property and they have the right to ban animals if they choose. Check into buying a house if you have the credit for it. It's a big step but there are 0 down USDA loans available and it's often better in the long run. Good luck!

Perhaps just try asking about reptiles or tank pets in general? If they say it's fine to have tank pets like reptiles or fish without any addendum or modification to the lease then that would be far better than lying and will also help people not slam their doors at the mere mention of the word "snake" and may provide some kind of protection from eviction. Someone else might want to weigh in on this method, as some landlords can still be unreasonable about things like this. When I moved my lease was unclear about tank pets, which means that they can basically interpret it however the leasing people choose to. Maintenance had to come in from day one because my apartment was in poor shape, but refused to come back when they found out about my snakes. The management is saying that the lease says no to exotic pets, which means the snakes can't stay but our bearded dragon is fine? Also yes, we were only ever able to get emergency maintenance (which is a separate team) out when the washing machine hookup out on the patio started flooding.

Certain other life changes already made it so I was going to have to rehome most of my collection anyway, but having that smack you in the face just sucks. Sure, I might have been able to rope a real estate lawyer or some kind of legal something in to force my apartment people to come out and fix their property, but that's not something I wanted to fight with or pay for. Fighting with your landlord is not a fun experience and certainly not a gamble I would advise you or anyone else to take.

If it doesn't say anything about not having snakes in the lease I guess I really wouldn't worry about it. If its state something like no dogs allowed or no cats allowed I would assume that everything else is allowed that's legal at least. You can also like someone else said, ask about something that you keep in a tank or a cage and if they ask like what just say like a reptile or a small rodent. I guess it's better to be careful and ask though. I would hate to have to get rid of snakes

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Originally Posted by Yodawagon

If it doesn't say anything about not having snakes in the lease I guess I really wouldn't worry about it. If its state something like no dogs allowed or no cats allowed I would assume that everything else is allowed that's legal at least. You can also like someone else said, ask about something that you keep in a tank or a cage and if they ask like what just say like a reptile or a small rodent. I guess it's better to be careful and ask though. I would hate to have to get rid of snakes

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This is actually a bad idea. You need to be up front and very clear about what you plan on keeping on their property. If they find out down the road that you weren't honest and clear with them, they have every right to deny you housing and put you on the street.

You absolutely and 100% need to sit down and discuss with the potential landlord what you plan on keeping in their building. There is no way around this.

I don't know about snakes, but when I moved into my apartment, the landlord asked me what pets I had, as there was a (no dog) 2 cat limit, I said I had 2 cats, three goldfish, and 2 ferrets. They initially said no to the ferrets because they said that 'rodents' were destructive and chewed on walls / wires. I had to spend the next 30 min describing that ferrets are mustelids not rodents and that they lived in a cage, not free-roaming. Finally they signed a paper stating the pets I had, and that they were all OK'd by property management. It may just take finding someone that is willing to at least listen. If you have a cage that has a locking lid, you could show them pictures of the locked tank and say that you only have one set of keys, they can't escape, and any other relevant facts about your pets that you can. I wish you luck.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Where can I start with this in my most tactful manner??
Thank you for wanting to be a planned problem for the rest of those around you and those of us in this hobby that try to open peoples eyes.
That being said, why in your ever loving self centered mind would you take on more animals that you do not plan to be a responsible keeper to?
Yes it is a truthful question.
Did you ever think of how your actions represent the rest of those that are around you and those that may come after you?

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PitOnTheProwl, honestly, who do you think you are? How do you find it appropriate to criticize someone, calling them 'self centered,' when you know nothing of who this individual is. Yet another despicable post by a moderator lashing out at strangers. You, and the majority of moderators love to condemn people for how their actions represent the reptile community. If anything, it is posts like the one above, and many more like it, that reflect horrifically on this site, its owners and the reptile community as a whole. What do you think the public thinks when they come to this site, and see nothing but belittling and berating comments coming from those that are supposed to be in charge? Shame on you.

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Originally Posted by JoshSloane

PitOnTheProwl, honestly, who do you think you are? How do you find it appropriate to criticize someone, calling them 'self centered,' when you know nothing of who this individual is. Yet another despicable post by a moderator lashing out at strangers. You, and the majority of moderators love to condemn people for how their actions represent the reptile community. If anything, it is posts like the one above, and many more like it, that reflect horrifically on this site, its owners and the reptile community as a whole. What do you think the public thinks when they come to this site, and see nothing but belittling and berating comments coming from those that are supposed to be in charge? Shame on you.

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You seem to think that the moderator title has anything to do with what I post. Then again you seem to think I wouldnt say the same thing face to face.
You sir have me confused with someone that cares what you think. You have already proven your stand on this hobby in past posts.
You may now go find someone else to antagonize.

When I was looking for apartments I let them run my credit, showed up to the meeting dressed nicely, I also told them about my military experience. Told them about my snakes and they said no way.

In a few days they called me back saying that I could rent there and because of my good credit and the interview that they felt I could be trustworthy enough to keep snakes in the apartment. Its all about in how you present yourself.

Instead of "Do you allow snakes?"

Say "I keep small, non-venomous reptiles is that a problem"

Response is either gonna be yes, or no, or what kind.

If they say absolutely no, say OK, I understand and leave.

To the what kind, show them a photo. Explain to them that there is no water that could damage a floor. They stay in locked cages etc.

Say you used to watch Crocodile Hunter as a kid and are just really fascinated by nature. Even people who dislike snakes generally have a positive attitude towards Steve Irwin. Then make a joke about how you only have little snakes and not big alligators.

Hopefully by the time your done explaining the what (small snakes), why (Crocodile Hunter), and the how (locked cages that can't damage property). The person will feel that you are a responsible naturalist as opposed to some freak who just keeps snakes cause he likes to see small animals die.

Then drop this one on them,

Just from a money standpoint if I was a landlord I would prefer that everyone kept snakes and lizards. A dog or a cat or fish can cause thousands of dollars in damages to a unit either by accident or negligence. Which, knowing people who are negligent aren't likely to pay that money back.

Now you've shown them that you are actually a better potential tenant than that dog or cat person you are competing with. (Don't say this if you also have dogs and cats and want them to come too lol.)

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

You seem to think that the moderator title has anything to do with what I post. Then again you seem to think I wouldnt say the same thing face to face.
You sir have me confused with someone that cares what you think. You have already proven your stand on this hobby in past posts.
You may now go find someone else to antagonize.

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Well I guess I wrongly assumed that having the title of 'moderator' on a discussion forum, might mean that it was your job to moderate discussion, not stifle it with insults. Do you honestly believe that you are the moral authority on all issues reptile? Or maybe you see yourself as the moderator of 'hard knocks' on this site. Either way it is embarrassing for you. The fact that you would ridicule someone in person over reptile issues is just further testament to your immaturity and inadequacies in fulfilling your title on this site. The unbelievable number of messages I have received lately regarding your disrespect for users on this site is proof enough. Your degrading and mildly illiterate posts are not wanted, nor needed.

Just because someone is right doesn't mean they were right in the correct way.

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Originally Posted by JoshSloane

Well I guess I wrongly assumed that having the title of 'moderator' on a discussion forum, might mean that it was your job to moderate discussion, not stifle it with insults. Do you honestly believe that you are the moral authority on all issues reptile? Or maybe you see yourself as the moderator of 'hard knocks' on this site. Either way it is embarrassing for you. The fact that you would ridicule someone in person over reptile issues is just further testament to your immaturity and inadequacies in fulfilling your title on this site. The unbelievable number of messages I have received lately regarding your disrespect for users on this site is proof enough. Your degrading and mildly illiterate posts are not wanted, nor needed.

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THIS IS ME AS A MODERATOR NOT A MEMBER

First this is a PUBLIC forum therefore just like YOURSELF anyone can post their opinion and YOU cannot dictate WHO can and cannot post in a thread.

When becoming a moderator the people who are chosen by the admins do not have to change their ways, nor are they asked to stop posting their opinion, Moderators are first and foremost MEMBERS.

Now I will remind you that YOU are walking a very fine line, you could simply have posted on topic instead YOU have chosen to yet again attack a moderator with the same old “how unbecoming of you to have your own opinion”

So here are a few reminders since there is a clear history on your end

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17. No posts or private messages may be made or sent with the express intent to antagonize or discredit the staff. Violation may result in heavy infractions or a permanent ban.

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Should there be any further attempt on your part to disrupt THIS thread, this thread will be locked

If you have an issue with the staff feel free use the PROPER channels and contact one of our admins (names in RED), threads are not the place to do so.

Finally keep in mind that there are other forums out there.

Now back on TOPIC.

I have used the proper channels concerning you Deborah, as well as PitontheProwl. I will gladly take my infraction. Your comments, as well as Pits comments aren't 'unbecoming,' they are insulting, rude and against the TOS rules that you rely on so heavily. I hope that Pit will receive his infraction as well for the obvious hate speak that he utilized in this thread.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Where can I start with this in my most tactful manner??
Thank you for wanting to be a planned problem for the rest of those around you and those of us in this hobby that try to open peoples eyes.
That being said, why in your ever loving self centered mind would you take on more animals that you do not plan to be a responsible keeper to?
Yes it is a truthful question.
Did you ever think of how your actions represent the rest of those that are around you and those that may come after you?

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Literally nothing said here was tactful. This person is obviously relatively new to the hobby, maybe give a little background into why you feel this way so you don't scare them off to have them go do whatever they want to do anyways.

Yes! That is exactly what I was saying. Blindsiding newbies with insults accomplishes nothing, and further pushes people out of the hobby.

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Originally Posted by Jhill001

Literally nothing said here was tactful. This person is obviously relatively new to the hobby, maybe give a little background into why you feel this way so you don't scare them off to have them go do whatever they want to do anyways.

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Ask the ones here that know me personally..... It was.
I do find it nice to know that there are so many people here that support hiding reptiles from property owners. There is more than one side to all the stories but everyone always wants to coddle the one at fault. I read the original post correctly with not informing anyone of the animals. I have also had to rehome several animals for people that thiught they were smarter too. I know someone that got evicted after he got rid of his animals. You think I gave them back to him? Nope. He jeopardized them once and got me involved.
I dont know why its so hard for people the think about the consequences of their actions NOT just on themselves but the others around them. Its really not hard for anyone to unwrap themselves from around themself.

We aren't attacking what you say, but how you say it. You are speaking to people on this forum, not random user names. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, but there is an appropriate way to go about debating. You are a moderator on here, and should be a shining example to all the users on how to effectively use the forum. You speak so heavily about how people's selfish actions affect the community and not just themselves, yet your crass insults alienate people from the hobby, rather than promote it.

You have your PMs Joshua and I have mine.
Im not here for your pleasure, Im here to enforce the TOS.
Plain and simple.
My history speaks for me.

If you truly enforced TOS then you should be giving yourself infractions for 'hate speak.' Double standard? Definitely.

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Originally Posted by JoshSloane

If you truly enforced TOS then you should be giving yourself infractions for 'hate speak.' Double standard? Definitely.

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And as promised :lockd: