another rant :<

:mad: i get so mad when i see people on social media posting pictures of their snake with stuck shed, and they say "oh the witto baby iz shedding!" uh, NO, that poor baby TRIED to shed, and you failed at husbandry so now it has a giant piece of old skin stuck to it.

also when people post pictures of two baby bps housed together and they're on top of each other and the caption reads "cutest babies cuddling!", then when you comment on them in the nicest way possible to let them know that they are in fact, not cuddling, they tell you that you're wrong and that you don't know anything about snakes..

i'm not a snake expert and i have so much more to learn, but i've been taught by the bests on this forum <3 <3

also, this is my favorite forum in the world. there is no other forum as accepting and as open as this one :oops:

random rant. sorry, forum. T__T no one gets me like you do.. :P

I know wat you mean. Some fool i work with said he kept his BP in his room to roam free. Je said that he liked to hang out near the vents. I told him he was probably tryin to stay warm and he said he didnt think so. He told me he had it for a year and it died of old age. I almost punched him in the face.

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I know wat you mean. Some fool i work with said he kept his BP in his room to roam free. Je said that he liked to hang out near the vents. I told him he was probably tryin to stay warm and he said he didnt think so. He told me he had it for a year and it died of old age. I almost punched him in the face.

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oh my goodness you can't be serious. o___________o that's one of the most ridiculous things i've heard.

I wish i was kidding. Some people shouldnt own anything

A long time ago I was also bothered by these things. Unfortunately, there more things for me to worry about and grind my teeth in my sleep due to stress.

You'll eventually become desensitized as well, in time.

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I know wat you mean. Some fool i work with said he kept his BP in his room to roam free. Je said that he liked to hang out near the vents. I told him he was probably tryin to stay warm and he said he didnt think so. He told me he had it for a year and it died of old age. I almost punched him in the face.

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These stories are sad. Poor things: prime example of people not researching anything before taking on the responsibility of a new animal who DEPENDS on you to live.

Things I never get tired of hearing from people when they hear I have a snake:

"OMG U AREN'T SCURRED OF IT EATINGZ U IN UR SLEEP?!"

"No, a) that's not possible, b) if someone's not holding her she's in a secure enclosure."

They then proceed to tell me something along the lines of 1) the snake will be able to bust through the enclosure like the Hulk, 2) they can't believe I or anyone else holds her because what if she bites us and we die from the super-lethal venom of the boa constrictor, 3) we are the stupidest people in the world because don't we know EVERY snake grows 40 feet long and lusts for nothing else but human blood, which they know because they watched all the Anaconda movies and are now snake experts.

NEVER GETS OLD.

My friend was holding a normal burm female and no matter how many time I asked if it was a burm or retic she would say normal. Then tried to argue me about her corn snakes cuddling too. All 3 of them

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stuck shed everywhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L83j1s9VU0I <--- EDIT: <--- watch this

this video displays some stuck shed nightmare. i mean really, who could let that happen? i mean, these reptiles are built for survival, but they clearly have stuck shed like tree bark, how can that work out?

yes i know im being sarcastic and snakes are different, but really.... calm down, a partial shed will not harm a snake. and if you dont give them a huge environment with grass and sand and decomposing wood and plant thicket and rocks and so on, you may worry about the eye caps because maybe they have no way to solve the problem with just paper towels and plastic around them.

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I wish i was kidding. Some people shouldnt own anything

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some people need to get a book and read.

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A long time ago I was also bothered by these things. Unfortunately, there more things for me to worry about and grind my teeth in my sleep due to stress.

You'll eventually become desensitized as well, in time.

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this is so sad, i hope not. :(

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These stories are sad. Poor things: prime example of people not researching anything before taking on the responsibility of a new animal who DEPENDS on you to live.

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WORD. dat gif tho LOL

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Things I never get tired of hearing from people when they hear I have a snake:

"OMG U AREN'T SCURRED OF IT EATINGZ U IN UR SLEEP?!"

"No, a) that's not possible, b) if someone's not holding her she's in a secure enclosure."

They then proceed to tell me something along the lines of 1) the snake will be able to bust through the enclosure like the Hulk, 2) they can't believe I or anyone else holds her because what if she bites us and we die from the super-lethal venom of the boa constrictor, 3) we are the stupidest people in the world because don't we know EVERY snake grows 40 feet long and lusts for nothing else but human blood, which they know because they watched all the Anaconda movies and are now snake experts.

NEVER GETS OLD.

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LOL this has happened to me so many times, and i have a little baby. i always have to say, if i got bit on the arm by a dog with a nasty scar to prove it, im pretty sure i can handle a little snake with teeth smaller than a hamster's.. which i was also brutally bitten by as a child. blood everywhere!!

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My friend was holding a normal burm female and no matter how many time I asked if it was a burm or retic she would say normal. Then tried to argue me about her corn snakes cuddling too. All 3 of them

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oh god excuse me while i barf.

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stuck shed everywhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L83j1s9VU0I <--- EDIT: <--- watch this

this video displays some stuck shed nightmare. i mean really, who could let that happen? i mean, these reptiles are built for survival, but they clearly have stuck shed like tree bark, how can that work out?

yes i know im being sarcastic and snakes are different, but really.... calm down, a partial shed will not harm a snake. and if you dont give them a huge environment with grass and sand and decomposing wood and plant thicket and rocks and so on, you may worry about the eye caps because maybe they have no way to solve the problem with just paper towels and plastic around them.

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LOL i was confused when i was watching the video. 'is that.. a large cut..? or... dried mud? ..... shed?!' i understand that a partial shed won't harm them, but when theyve got a huge chunk stuck around their neck or on the side of their body, it's really frustrating to see.

i guess the same goes for cats and dogs.. and rodents. especially the ones that live in their poop. :(

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LOL i was confused when i was watching the video. 'is that.. a large cut..? or... dried mud? ..... shed?!' i understand that a partial shed won't harm them, but when theyve got a huge chunk stuck around their neck or on the side of their body, it's really frustrating to see.

i guess the same goes for cats and dogs.. and rodents. especially the ones that live in their poop. :(

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the great sea iguanas and land iguanas of the galapagos islands never shed in one piece, they use it as armor. they carry "stuck shed" with dignity and for a purpose. for poops sake, the marine species share a hunting (grazing) ground with sharks. they graze where sharks hunt, and for that you really dont want to look edible.

I see a lot of this too. A couple days ago I saw a guy on one of the facebook groups. 5 ball pythons in one enclosure. He said he can't separate them because if he does they won't eat. Also said they are clutch mates and "love" each other.

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Things I never get tired of hearing from people when they hear I have a snake:

"OMG U AREN'T SCURRED OF IT EATINGZ U IN UR SLEEP?!"

"No, a) that's not possible, b) if someone's not holding her she's in a secure enclosure."

They then proceed to tell me something along the lines of 1) the snake will be able to bust through the enclosure like the Hulk, 2) they can't believe I or anyone else holds her because what if she bites us and we die from the super-lethal venom of the boa constrictor, 3) we are the stupidest people in the world because don't we know EVERY snake grows 40 feet long and lusts for nothing else but human blood, which they know because they watched all the Anaconda movies and are now snake experts.

NEVER GETS OLD.

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no no no... it's "they aren't poisonous are they?" Usually the word venom isn't used

My favorite came form my own mother. " I love all animals, except snakes, They are evil. Look what they did to adam and eve!" Oh and " You put it around your neck! Your effing crazy, it is gonna kill you one day!"

When she gets that way I just take my girl out of her tub and all of the sudden mom is ready to go home.

My boa likes to lie beside me. My vet told me she's sizing me up to eat me!!!


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I see a lot of this too. A couple days ago I saw a guy on one of the facebook groups. 5 ball pythons in one enclosure. He said he can't separate them because if he does they won't eat. Also said they are clutch mates and "love" each other.

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I remember that wonderful thread. One hide, a giant tank, 5 balls and a lot of pink sand.

Yes, my friends, pink sand. Half the tank was full of the crap.
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My favorite came form my own mother. " I love all animals, except snakes, They are evil. Look what they did to adam and eve!" Oh and " You put it around your neck! Your effing crazy, it is gonna kill you one day!"

When she gets that way I just take my girl out of her tub and all of the sudden mom is ready to go home.

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While I get along fine with my mother-in-law, she drives my husband bat-guano crazy in about three minutes. She's also getting up in years and no doubt one day will require in-home care - we already see signs that her short-term memory is degrading. She has expressed her wishes to live with her daughter since she doesn't want to be eaten by a snake.

We will of course visit often and help as much as we can when the time comes since SIL doesn't live far away from us... but we also breathed a huge sigh of relief that MIL will not be living with us.

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My favorite came form my own mother. " I love all animals, except snakes, They are evil. Look what they did to adam and eve!" Oh and " You put it around your neck! Your effing crazy, it is gonna kill you one day!"

When she gets that way I just take my girl out of her tub and all of the sudden mom is ready to go home.

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religion, its all (and within the brackets, imagine i just said the obvious, instead of going for HORSECRAP).

sadly, thats all religion ever does. false realities, unfounded stereotypes, talking and walking snakes, people surviving being swallowed by a ginat fish (or whale) for 3 days, global flood, trumpet sound destroying walls, stopping the orbit of sun and moon, turning sticks into snakes, turning water into wine, and after mysteriously murdering all first born males of whatever area, let it rain frogs!

when people go after what you think is right with their righteous indignation, you have two options:

1: say nothing and let it slide. if possible, its a good option. it works. or be very specific.

or 2: demolish their faith. show no mercy, and go after the other horsecrap their holy book says. when your book says that a human can live after being swallowed by a giant fish/whale for 3 days, i say my snakes can be completely benign and harmless. for that, you need to know the beliefs of the person you are dealing with, and then hit them hard. and then tell them that you RELIGIOUSLY *believe* that your snakes are harmless. if they dont buy it, go on demolishing the base beliefs of their particular kind of faith. the ten commandments (if you ever looked up the actual king james bible text) are a prime target. death penalty for so many of them, really?

when people attack your snakes for religious reasons, attack their religion for reasons of common sense, and rip that old testament stuff a new one. and they may turn out to be fundamentalists that deeply despise you forever, or they may deconvert and be good friends forever, always remembering that you helped in liberating them. religion is NOT here to stay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6w2M50_Xdk <-- watch this

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religion, its all (and within the brackets, imagine i just said the obvious, instead of going for HORSECRAP).

sadly, thats all religion ever does. false realities, unfounded stereotypes, talking and walking snakes, people surviving being swallowed by a ginat fish (or whale) for 3 days, global flood, trumpet sound destroying walls, stopping the orbit of sun and moon, turning sticks into snakes, turning water into wine, and after mysteriously murdering all first born males of whatever area, let it rain frogs!

when people go after what you think is right with their righteous indignation, you have two options:

1: say nothing and let it slide. if possible, its a good option. it works. or be very specific.

or 2: demolish their faith. show no mercy, and go after the other horsecrap their holy book says. when your book says that a human can live after being swallowed by a giant fish/whale for 3 days, i say my snakes can be completely benign and harmless. for that, you need to know the beliefs of the person you are dealing with, and then hit them hard. and then tell them that you RELIGIOUSLY *believe* that your snakes are harmless. if they dont buy it, go on demolishing the base beliefs of their particular kind of faith. the ten commandments (if you ever looked up the actual king james bible text) are a prime target. death penalty for so many of them, really?

when people attack your snakes for religious reasons, attack their religion for reasons of common sense, and rip that old testament stuff a new one. and they may turn out to be fundamentalists that deeply despise you forever, or they may deconvert and be good friends forever, always remembering that you helped in liberating them. religion is NOT here to stay.

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Woah...Well that escalated quickly...


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religion, its all (and within the brackets, imagine i just said the obvious, instead of going for HORSECRAP).

sadly, thats all religion ever does. false realities, unfounded stereotypes, talking and walking snakes, people surviving being swallowed by a ginat fish (or whale) for 3 days, global flood, trumpet sound destroying walls, stopping the orbit of sun and moon, turning sticks into snakes, turning water into wine, and after mysteriously murdering all first born males of whatever area, let it rain frogs!

when people go after what you think is right with their righteous indignation, you have two options:

1: say nothing and let it slide. if possible, its a good option. it works. or be very specific.

or 2: demolish their faith. show no mercy, and go after the other horsecrap their holy book says. when your book says that a human can live after being swallowed by a giant fish/whale for 3 days, i say my snakes can be completely benign and harmless. for that, you need to know the beliefs of the person you are dealing with, and then hit them hard. and then tell them that you RELIGIOUSLY *believe* that your snakes are harmless. if they dont buy it, go on demolishing the base beliefs of their particular kind of faith. the ten commandments (if you ever looked up the actual king james bible text) are a prime target. death penalty for so many of them, really?

when people attack your snakes for religious reasons, attack their religion for reasons of common sense, and rip that old testament stuff a new one. and they may turn out to be fundamentalists that deeply despise you forever, or they may deconvert and be good friends forever, always remembering that you helped in liberating them. religion is NOT here to stay.

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All I'm going to say is people that are so anti religion really boggle my mind. I'm a Christian yet I don't go out of my way to shove what I think down other's throats, but then there's people like you that seem to look to argue and pick fights over it at any chance they get. It's like your own little religion of hating on religion... even go as far as to have a quote of your own on the subject in your signature trying to bait people into messaging you. It's just such bad taste. How about some peace, love, and acceptance from all sides of the subject? That's what it's about to me anyways.

im not anti-religion..... but when people want to tell me what to do based on religious thinking, i see where it is coming from, and hit back.

its just a hint, when facing a religious conondrum of logic: outflank it. it works.

do you hate something that is not true? why should you? but when something that is not true starts to get a real pain, how do you tackle it? pointing out that it is not true using the most effective strategies that are available may be a start.

its fun how pointing out that a certain religion is most certainly not true gets equated to "bashing".

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All I'm going to say is people that are so anti religion really boggle my mind. I'm a Christian yet I don't go out of my way to shove what I think down other's throats, but then there's people like you that seem to look to argue and pick fights over it at any chance they get. It's like your own little religion of hating on religion... even go as far as to have a quote of your own on the subject in your signature trying to bait people into messaging you. It's just such bad taste. How about some peace, love, and acceptance from all sides of the subject? That's what it's about to me anyways.

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few people contacted me about my signature, and the majority of these few wanted to know more about a specific scientific topic.

so, i dont know, i think the bait does not work. truly religious people would never respond.

by the way, look what i initially responded to. i responded to hatred/fear of snakes based on genesis. it is rational to side-step it and demolish other parts of the bible until the person believing that snakes are evil based on genesis has some doubts. how else can you tackle fear of snakes based on genesis effectively? if the bible would be true, would my comments be controversial, would they make any sense at all?

EDIT: oh, and, if the bible is true, how can you possibly justify keeping snakes without perceiving them as EVIL INCARNATE? and how can you not believe that they once talked and walked in the garden of eden?

Actually the Bible doesn't say snakes are evil. The snake was simply the forum the devil took to temp eve. And why would anyone contact you to argue/discuss something that can't be proven? Faith is a belief in something that you can't "prove". I'm Christian myself, and while I agree that there are many Christians that are off there rockers, there are just as many atheists that are looney too. And by bashing and ridiculing someone's beliefs, that you cannot disprove, you are no better.

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Faith is a belief in something that you can't "prove".

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"Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of REALITIES though not beheld."— Hebrews 11:1, NWT

Realities require evidence, so in order to be true faith there must be proof to back the belief.

So there is no faith without proof? Not looking good for anyone who believes in any diety. How can you prove the existence of a higher power? You can't, hence faith.

Just showing what the Higher Power had to say about faith...take it or leave it.

As for lack of proof, here are 2 lines of evidence that come to mind...

"For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world's creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable."—Romans 1:20, NWT


"For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by Holy Spirit."—2 Peter 1:22, NWT

An examination of these 2 points (creation and Bible prophecy) provide all the proof one needs in order to have faith if they are looking for it. If, as we Christians believe, God is a loving and caring Father to us, it makes very little sense for him to expect us to blindly believe in him. Surely if a sinful human Father wants his children to know him and understand him, how much more so would a perfect Spiritual Father want his children to know him and understand him.

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I hate when people mention religion (whether negatively or positively). Always details the thread..


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I used to get upset about all this stuff too. The fact of the matter is all you can do is tell them where they are wrong, after that you've done your part. There's really nothing else you can do and getting upset about it only effects you. It's unfortunate, but I'll tell you, a lot of people get defensive, and then they'll do the research to try and prove you wrong. You'll never hear them say that you were right, but most of the time people will fix their mistakes.

Ooooo the religion topic. :cool:

1) Faith is important;
2) Organized religion is hypocritical and capitalizes on people's beliefs. :D

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I am pagan.

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Just showing what the Higher Power had to say about faith...take it or leave it.

As for lack of proof, here are 2 lines of evidence that come to mind...

"For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world's creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable."—Romans 1:20, NWT


"For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by Holy Spirit."—2 Peter 1:22, NWT

An examination of these 2 points (creation and Bible prophecy) provide all the proof one needs in order to have faith if they are looking for it. If, as we Christians believe, God is a loving and caring Father to us, it makes very little sense for him to expect us to blindly believe in him. Surely if a sinful human Father wants his children to know him and understand him, how much more so would a perfect Spiritual Father want his children to know him and understand him.

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so, creation and prophecy?

well, the problem with creation is that evolution by natural selection basically explains it all. if you want to, abiogenesis is much weaker, so you can say god put one living cell with the ability to reproduce itself and some DNA on this planet. evolutionary theory explains the rest from there, including us, including the fossil record and everything.

and bible prophecy... well, what is there to say about it. the evidence is missing. predictions early in the bible that come true later in the bible do not count, you have the same in the lord of the rings, where the first book makes predictions about the second book and the third book, which come true, and the second book predicts things that come true in the third book. but the lord of the rings is a work of fiction. so these predictions need to touch reality outside of the books.

there is no proof here, at least not now. you need to do better.

also i would like to note that the world would be much different if any religion would be true. what god would create 40000000000000000000000 suns, (4 x 10^22), with a larger number of planets orbiting them, and then care about one tribe of people at one specific time on a part of one of these planets? that God got to be bigger, and should not be limited to occasionally writing books and talking to people that are psychotic. as in, there is a failure in communication, when all this god published were the torah, the bible, and the quran, with a series of controversial messengers like moses, christ, muhammad, and going on to the book of mormon.

i mean, really, can you buy it when you are educated about science? with an universe so big, can you believe a holy book that tells you to kill homosexuals? and that eating lobsters or clams is an abomination, just like mixed frabrics in clothing are an abomination? thats the main problem: the bible crumbles when actually read, and it crumbles under scrutiny, and the same is true for all religious texts.

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I remember that wonderful thread. One hide, a giant tank, 5 balls and a lot of pink sand.

Yes, my friends, pink sand. Half the tank was full of the crap.
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I had to remove myself from that FB group...I responded to a question after giving several other answers with the word "SERIOUSLY?". Then it devolved from there...someone had asked me what the numbers mean 1.1.1 etc etc after I had just explained it to the OP of that post.

LOL!! This thread reminds me of the good old days when I hung out on the Lost board on IMDB.....Original thread title: Why is Hurley still fat after 3 months on the island? Ten posts later: you are deep in a heated argument about the Bible being a fairy tale. Good stuff! :D

Lost is amazing. I'm actually going back and rewatching it. <3 Jack and Sawyer.

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Lost is amazing. I'm actually going back and rewatching it. <3 Jack and Sawyer.

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Jack is awesome he does so much work on the island it's crazy! But Sawyer...he's just...so Hot. I love everything about that man lol. This is such a crazy thread. Originally started with a rant about bad pet owners, then went off into religion, kinda went back to the original topic, now were on Lost haha.


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Yup, good stuff!! I was on a rabbit message board site when I was looking into getting a Flemish Giant (we now have Stewie!) and one of the admins. would have an absolute Bull Pucky FIT whenever someone even dared veer off topic, she was so anal about it it was funny! I will never go to that board again she was pathetic. She would PM you and attempt to chew you a new one....wacko.

Now, Lost....LOVED everything about Sawyer! Liked Jack, LOVED Sawyer. Sayid was pretty bad a$$ too. My new favorite shows are Once Upon a Time and Game of Thrones.

To allow people to live in close proximity to one another certain laws need to be in place, certain expectations of the way people are to act around others. What better way to get people to willingly follow these laws that go against everything we as animals are designed to do than to make a book that convinces me I will burn for all eternity if I do not follow certain rules and act a certain way. :D

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To allow people to live in close proximity to one another certain laws need to be in place, certain expectations of the way people are to act around others. What better way to get people to willingly follow these laws that go against everything we as animals are designed to do than to make a book that convinces me I will burn for all eternity if I do not follow certain rules and act a certain way. :D

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Tehe your comment made me giggle just because it's ironic with your name being King James and all lol I couldn't help but giggle. Even though it's just coincidence. [emoji4]


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