Silly old Pet shop girl

I went to get fang a new hide so he couldn't get his eyes all scratched up from rubbing them because of his cuts. Well while looking at the hides that they had a girl that worked there asked me if everything was alright. I told her yes I was just look around at the hides. I told her that I was treating him for mites and she asked me what I was using for substrate. I told her I was using paper towels and she looked shocked she said no use the green mat stuff and I told her no that PT was fine it helps me see if the mites are there and running around and when they are gone I am going back to eco-earth. She says now there why you have mites , eco-earth will give them to your snake. I paused and said no that is not why he got them as he had them while on aspen. I should of said no Fang got them because of where you got him from or your other snakes had them and gave it to him but didn't. Now here is a question can eco-earth give your snake mites and if so why do they sell it?

No.

Infected/infested pet stores/animals spread mites, not substrate :rolleyes:

This is what I thought . Where I live there is a Petsmart a half hour away who I can not get live feeders from as Fang won't eat frozen and them which is half hour away and where I got him from. Now some of the people that work there are ok people but they do need to clean the store as there is dust on alot of things. I like them more then Petsmart but I feel like I need to go work there just to get things cleaned.

People here like to rip into pet store employees. You know they have to pay rent just like you. Maybe she doesn't know what she's talking about but neither do have the employees at lowes or home depot. Or anywhere that pays barely above minimum wage.

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Originally Posted by EricWright

People here like to rip into pet store employees. You know they have to pay rent just like you. Maybe she doesn't know what she's talking about but neither do have the employees at lowes or home depot. Or anywhere that pays barely above minimum wage.

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I agree she probably did not know what she was talking about . the problem is just because they're not making a higher wage they think they're allowed to do a crappy job. How hard is it to educate yourself in whatever job you are doing ? it shouldn't matter what kind of wage you are making you should always give it your best effort. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say if they paid me more I would do a better job. my response was if you did a better job I would pay you more, I don't care what kind of wage you are making if you accept a wage for doing a job you should always do your best .that includes educating yourself on the products and services you are doing. nobody forces these people to take these jobs .if they don't like their jobs or are incapable of doing them they should find something better suited to their needs. Any job doing is worth doing well. a little work ethic is what these people need .

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Originally Posted by EricWright

People here like to rip into pet store employees. You know they have to pay rent just like you. Maybe she doesn't know what she's talking about but neither do have the employees at lowes or home depot. Or anywhere that pays barely above minimum wage.

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I pay bills and know everything I can about my job, and learn things I don't know. It's really not that difficult...

I don't know about you but I leave work at work. I wouldn't spend hours studying pseudo facts off the interwebs during my off hours for a crappy job in retail. Have you ever worked in retail? or any job that serves the public? If you serve the public at your job I guarantee that you don't get paid enough. And the especially don't get paid enough to listen to snotty kids tell them about what someone else told them on the interwebs.

That's not to say the person wasn't an idiot. Who knows, maybe the forum they belong to told them misinformation. I seriously doubt everything on this forum is undeniable fact.

If this person is selling animals, a life that is dependant on the care provided by its owner, THEY SHOULD KNOW what they are talking about. Todays generation has no work ethics, or pride in a job well done. And the poor animals who suffer and/or die because their human was misinformed...sad.

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Originally Posted by EricWright

I don't know about you but I leave work at work. I wouldn't spend hours studying pseudo facts off the interwebs during my off hours for a crappy job in retail. Have you ever worked in retail? or any job that serves the public? If you serve the public at your job I guarantee that you don't get paid enough. And the especially don't get paid enough to listen to snotty kids tell them about what someone else told them on the interwebs.

That's not to say the person wasn't an idiot. Who knows, maybe the forum they belong to told them misinformation. I seriously doubt everything on this forum is undeniable fact.

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I serve the public in my job, absolutely hate it, and dont think i get paid enough. With that said i give 100% everyday and know everything there is to know about my job. Ive also trained multiple people to do the same job. So that shows that my boss must be confident in my understanding.

Also whats interwebs? You mean the internet...?

My job literally IS to serve the public. I'm a 911 dispatcher, all I do is deal with the public. And I can tell you right now I do not get paid enough for it. I have spent time off the clock researching things about my job, because it' still my job. People die if I don't do it well.

Well guess what, pets die when you give new owners incorrect info (which is literally pet store employees jobs), and people get injured if you don't tell them how to use the tool correctly (which is literally Lowe's employees jobs).

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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

Todays generation has no work ethics, or pride in a job well done.

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Live with me for a week and ill make you eat those words lol...

But yes i agree, 99% of people my age have no concept of the real world...

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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

Todays generation has no work ethics, or pride in a job well done.

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Gross overgeneralization.

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Originally Posted by LGray23

My job literally IS to serve the public. I'm a 911 dispatcher, all I do is deal with the public. And I can tell you right now I do not get paid enough for it. I have spent time off the clock researching things about my job, because it' still my job. People die if I don't do it well.

Well guess what, pets die when you give new owners incorrect info (which is literally pet store employees jobs), and people get injured if you don't tell them how to use the tool correctly (which is literally Lowe's employees jobs).

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You should take your job very seriously because PEOPLE might die. If the pet store screws up ANIMALS die. Those are completely different entities and you cannot put the two on the same level. A single person's life is worth more than all the animals that have ever existed or ever will exist.

I'm not saying people should kill animals needlessly. But it happens. Let's not cry over spilled milk.

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Originally Posted by EricWright

You should take your job very seriously because PEOPLE might die. If the pet store screws up ANIMALS die. Those are completely different entities and you cannot put the two on the same level. A single person's life is worth more than all the animals that have ever existed or ever will exist.

I'm not saying people should kill animals needlessly. But it happens. Let's not cry over spilled milk.

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I call troll. I mean, you clearly seem like the type of person who should be on a reptile community forum :rolleyes: OP you got my answer :)

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Originally Posted by EricWright

You should take your job very seriously because PEOPLE might die. If the pet store screws up ANIMALS die. Those are completely different entities and you cannot put the two on the same level. A single person's life is worth more than all the animals that have ever existed or ever will exist.

I'm not saying people should kill animals needlessly. But it happens. Let's not cry over spilled milk.

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Eric can you please just leave. Ive seen you comments on multiple threads now. Youre rude and disrespectful to other members. Also comments like this show you dont actually have any reptiles, youre just trolling...

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Eric can you please just leave. Ive seen you comments on multiple threads now. Youre rude and disrespectful to other members. Also comments like this show you dont actually have any reptiles, youre just trolling...

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X2 Where's Slim when you need him...troll patrol...lol

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Originally Posted by EricWright

I don't know about you but I leave work at work. I wouldn't spend hours studying pseudo facts off the interwebs during my off hours for a crappy job in retail. Have you ever worked in retail? or any job that serves the public? If you serve the public at your job I guarantee that you don't get paid enough. And the especially don't get paid enough to listen to snotty kids tell them about what someone else told them on the interwebs.

That's not to say the person wasn't an idiot. Who knows, maybe the forum they belong to told them misinformation. I seriously doubt everything on this forum is undeniable fact.

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you just proved my point

Stop feeding the troll

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Originally Posted by EricWright

People here like to rip into pet store employees. You know they have to pay rent just like you. Maybe she doesn't know what she's talking about but neither do have the employees at lowes or home depot. Or anywhere that pays barely above minimum wage.

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I used to make minimum wage at Sears. Didn't stop me from learning everything I could about Craftsman tools. I also made just above minmum wage in the framing department of Hobby Lobby, and I'm fairly certain I could matt and frame you in about a hour...a nice shadow box perhaps. Wonder what I could get on eBay for a troll on the wall?

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Originally Posted by gardenfiend138

Gross overgeneralization.

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In my personal experiences working with people of the yonger generation they seem to have a sense of entitlement. most don't seem to be willing to wait for the natural progression of things they seem to want it all and want it now .I find that true about 90 percent . not that there bad people they just need a bit of maturity and a little more work ethic.

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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

Where's Slim when you need him...troll patrol...lol

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Moving from one apartment to another...I hate moving :(

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Originally Posted by luvmyballs

In my personal experiences working with people of the yonger generation they seem to have a sense of entitlement. most don't seem to be willing to wait for the natural progression of things they seem to want it all and want it now .I find that true about 90 percent . not that there bad people they just need a bit of maturity and a little more work ethic.

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I agree. I work with people like this too.

Giving false info on the job is bad work ethnic. period.

I don't mind if someone says, "I'm sorry, I don't know the answer to that--let me get someone who does/direct you to a book that will have the information". What is it with people who can't just say "I don't know"? How hard is that?

Giving out spurious information to make themselves look knowledgeable when they aren't is just plain damaging, and honestly, it makes them a terrible person. I can't imagine someone doing that, knowing that an animal could die as a result of their uncertain information. If they don't realize that it's serious...then they're not bright enough to be doing the job they're doing. Minimum wage or no. They should be put into a position where they don't talk to customers.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Giving out spurious information to make themselves look knowledgeable when they aren't is just plain damaging, and honestly, it makes them a terrible person. I can't imagine someone doing that, knowing that an animal could die as a result of their uncertain information. If they don't realize that it's serious...then they're not bright enough to be doing the job they're doing. Minimum wage or no. They should be put into a position where they don't talk to customers.

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This made me laugh. Then, when I thought back on it, I laughed even more.

I can understand them not going home from work and spending hours upon hours upon hours researching every last fact about the animals that they keep, but at the same time, they should at least take the time to learn the basics. I mean you can ask anyone in that store a question about dogs, or about cats. Probably even the rodents, and you'd probably get pretty informative and accurate answers. But ask them about a snake, or one of the other reptiles, and they're idiots.

When I was looking at tanks for my BP, They told me to get something bigger than a 40 gallon, because by the time Lazy hits the one year mark, he'd be too big for it D:

Anyways. I think that if an animals well being was depending on my being well - informed, I'd do my homework and find out what they need to be happy and healthy.

I am a strange one. I Love working with the public, and the meaner and madder they are, the better :) I saw them as a challenge to either educate, or to make look a fool and in turn make them see the foolishness in what they were saying, and then having them thanking for spending the time with them :) I do not care how upset they get, know my job, and know that figuring out what is really wrong can be the beginning of a better life for their pet. I work for a vet, and we see many mad mad people. I have been told I am going to Heii more times than once, but remained calm and nice. The nicer you are, the more it irks someone and it becomes very hard to continue to be ugly to someone who refuses to be ugly back. Then, as a last resort, I tell them that our first concern is their pets well being and it they did not feel their needs were been met, then we simply could not in good faith serve them. That would be against our goals. Then 9 times out of 10 they ask to stay and be seen, but rarely do we allow it. Depends on my gut feeling. Having a sick or injured animal can be stressful and some people are just downright ugly when stressed. Getting kicked out of a vet clinic sometimes is the eye opener they need. I even offer to call another clinic for them and see if they have time to see them. My old boss sure misses me now...
*Fila*

Is it trolling to disagree with established members of the forum. Shame on me for disagreeing about mundane opinions of the elders.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

I don't mind if someone says, "I'm sorry, I don't know the answer to that--let me get someone who does/direct you to a book that will have the information". What is it with people who can't just say "I don't know"? How hard is that?

Giving out spurious information to make themselves look knowledgeable when they aren't is just plain damaging, and honestly, it makes them a terrible person. I can't imagine someone doing that, knowing that an animal could die as a result of their uncertain information. If they don't realize that it's serious...then they're not bright enough to be doing the job they're doing. Minimum wage or no. They should be put into a position where they don't talk to customers.

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So now pet store employees purposely give out dubious info? Am I reading this right?

Yes, I believe many of the purposely give out information that they are NOT certain of. I believe most of them know that they haven't done any reading or research on the animals they're talking about, and that the information they're giving out hasn't been verified in any way, and may not be true.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Yes, I believe many of the purposely give out information that they are NOT certain of. I believe most of them know that they haven't done any reading or research on the animals they're talking about, and that the information they're giving out hasn't been verified in any way, and may not be true.

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To each his own...

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Originally Posted by EricWright

Is it trolling to disagree with established members of the forum.

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Is it stupid to have to ask this question?

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Originally Posted by EricWright

Shame on me for disagreeing about mundane opinions of the elders.

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Is transparent the word you'd use for your mocking of the word shame?

I did not want this thread to start any kind of arguments wow but I think Eric you wanted it to turn into a full on debate about a person that does not know her job. For my knowledge I wanted to know if there was any truth to what the pet girl said as I have never heard of that and I got the answer I thought which is no Eco does not give mites. Eric it is one thing that she may not know but this girl acted like a expert and knew everything and I was crazy for using paper towels for substrate and other things as well there is more between the conversation that I with her. Like others have said no matter what you get paid know and do your job to the best.

I have to say I agree with everyone LOL
BUT most of the problems start with johnQpublic that gets into "hobby/ect" without knowing what they are getting into. Everyone bashes the employee for not studying BUT with this thing we are on called the web, ANYONE can research whatever it is they need.
I also agree that MOST ALL of todays generation not only has no work ethic (to my standards) but also no common sense!!
My work ethic consists of knowing EVERYTHING your pea brain can retain that deals with your employment at the current time. Then again I also view it as every thing I can learn on the "companies dime" is something that on one can ever take away from me.;)

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Originally Posted by Fila

I am a strange one. I Love working with the public, and the meaner and madder they are, the better :) I saw them as a challenge to either educate, or to make look a fool and in turn make them see the foolishness in what they were saying, and then having them thanking for spending the time with them :) I do not care how upset they get, know my job, and know that figuring out what is really wrong can be the beginning of a better life for their pet.

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I like dealing with difficult customers too! I work a customer service clerk. That is my job to make sure that the customer leaves happy. If they don't I didn't do my job right. I am extrememly happy with my job. And I work really hard for it. I'm one of the younger crowd too :). I don't spend hours off my job to learn about it. My job isn't a life or death situation. But if I can make a difference in the manner of how I service my customers. I will do what I have to make them happy. It's just part of them job IMO.

As for the substrate. I now know Eco is safe. Is aspen safe from mites too?

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Originally Posted by Solarsoldier001

As for the substrate. I now know Eco is safe. Is aspen safe from mites too?

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Neither Eco nor aspen are safe from or susceptible to mites per se. Just need to make sure the source is clean and not infested.

I do recall some folks having problems with Eco Earth, however--it traps a lot of moisture, and folks were having snakes with skin infections due to being on it. So, I'd advise caution with it, based on that.

No beddings transmit snake mites. They ONLY come from other snakes and reptiles. They do, however, wander absolutely everywhere, so if there's an infected animal on the premises, anything you bring home from there might have hitchhikers. On the outside, though--not inside the sealed bag.

You may have heard wood mites mentioned occasionally. Mites are a HUGE group of animals, and there are zillions of specialized mites out there, which can be found in almost anything. (Your own bed is loaded with microscopic dust mites, and your skin is home to some interesting varieties as well). Wood mites don't harm reptiles in any way. The only mites that are of concern are those that chew on the animals or feed on their blood, and those are usually fairly specialized.

You may find wood mites in some beddings, but unless something very peculiar has happened, you won't find snake mites in there.

The issue was solved after Lgray's first post....... Dont know why you guys still fall into his trap and feel the need to put him in his place, just leave it to the mods.

To the OP, I suggest cypress mulch. Its usually not too wet or dry, gives my tanks the perfect humidity.