spider prices

I think I may know why some prices are what they are, but how is it most morphs are pretty much set across the board. I am trying to find spider ball, now I find some adult males with a price of around $600 to $800 but yet there is some I adult males I am seeing from around $150 to $200. Non of them look any better then the others, so I am assuming that the pricing is based on head wobble to no head wobble... Am I assuming right or wrong?

I doubt that the males you are seeing for $600-800 are just spiders. They are most likely het for something as well, which increases price. If an animal is marked down due to extreme wobble or any other undesirable trait, it is usually stated in the ad by the seller.

i paid $70 for mine and there is virtually no wobble...800 for a spider seems impossible 2 me i would say for 800 it would have to be het for somethin really good, 800 for any kind of spider sounds way to much to me im only going by what i have seen tho

do you know any good breeders that have an online store that sell just a normal spider. I would prefer and adult but I am not picky my problem is when I don't have the money to buy, I can find, when I have the money I can't find anything. Right now I am looking at RoyalConstrictorDesigns and the cheapest I can find is 175

Ok I am going to ask something stupid here because I am still new to morphs. I know its not a spider, but what do yall think of this guy, I am think thinking of this being bred to my normal female. If I did this what would I get its a pastel, and if I remember correctly there is nothing that is het for a pastel, right?

http://www.royalconstrictordesigns.c.../pastel07-013m

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Originally Posted by crepers86

do you know any good breeders that have an online store that sell just a normal spider. I would prefer and adult but I am not picky my problem is when I don't have the money to buy, I can find, when I have the money I can't find anything. Right now I am looking at RoyalConstrictorDesigns and the cheapest I can find is 175

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A lot of the people on this site have websites, just check out their signatures. You can also look at market.kingsnake.com and faunaclassifieds.com. My recommendation is to save your money and pick the one you like the best, instead of worrying too much about getting a "great deal." This is an animal you'll have for 20-30 years, so you should definitely get the one you want. Bigger breeders may have higher prices, but you're also buying a solid reputation for care of their animals, health, customer service, and a future contact for any questions or concerns. I never would have sold my spider males for $80 - I felt they were worth more than that, and I haven't heard otherwise from the folks that paid the higher price. If you need to save a little money, wait until there is a reptile show near you and shop there - that will save you the extra $50 in shipping costs.

Added: That's a really nice pastel! Pastel is a codominant gene, which means half his offspring will look like him, and half will be normal if you bred him to a normal female. Check out the Morph List on www.worldofballpythons.com for more info on all the morphs, as well as BP.net's Guide to Ball Python Morphs (click "Forums" on the left of the screen and scroll down).

One more thing, and I apologize if I'm misunderstanding you, but are you looking for an adult male because you want to breed this year? If so, please please make sure you are fully prepared for the eggs and hatchlings that will come. I don't want to assume, but it sounds like you have a good bit more research and learning to do before you're ready for that undertaking.

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Originally Posted by Annarose15

If you need to save a little money, wait until there is a reptile show near you and shop there - that will save you the extra $50 in shipping costs.

Added: That's a really nice pastel! Pastel is a codominant gene, which means half his offspring will look like him, and half will be normal if you bred him to a normal female. Check out the Morph List on www.worldofballpythons.com for more info on all the morphs, as well as BP.net's Guide to Ball Python Morphs (click "Forums" on the left of the screen and scroll down).

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This is what is killing me I want to purchase the guy now. grr I hate having $3300 in my savings with 2300 of set for animal purchases. and trust me I have been window shopping all day. I really want to wait till next weekend because Repticon is going to be here, and I am hoping I can get a couple things extra if I just wait ya know but like my pastor said one wednesday night like things instant and don't want to wait. but I love the idea of what I can get with this and the deals I am working on with a couple reptile stores in my area

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Originally Posted by Annarose15

One more thing, and I apologize if I'm misunderstanding you, but are you looking for an adult male because you want to breed this year? If so, please please make sure you are fully prepared for the eggs and hatchlings that will come. I don't want to assume, but it sounds like you have a good bit more research and learning to do before you're ready for that undertaking.

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actually I am just putting the two together I have someone else that is providing me the incubation and the knowledge that lives a block away from me, and then when they hatch I will have to set up for them, I was just going to introduce another normal male, but a store I am working with will take more...

Also before any assumptions on that these two stores are the only two stores I will trust locally to provide babies to. They house each one by them selves with proper set up. I provide them with frozen feeders. I provide four stores and only these two I will provide if do breed balls for them. One store that I sell frozen feeders to I am about to pull them off my list because they are shady and conduct bad deals selling a lot of normal balls as hets with out proof then it turning out that the snake was just a normal ball

I'm definitely not going to pass judgement on you for selling hatchlings to a good store - LOTS of people do that with local pet stores, especially with normal hatchlings. I just wanted to make sure I put the warning out there that breeding is the easy part. It's everything that comes after that that can get complicated. For example, female becomes eggbound while laying = complication. Transporting eggs from your place to another for incubation = complication. Hatchlings that don't want to eat and have to be tricked, assisted, or even forced = complication. The guy down the street may know his stuff, but the snakes are your responsibility at the end of the day. I'm not trying to scare you, just repeating the need to learn everything you can. As far as breeders, that's a great looking pastel. If you have that much money and want spiders, too, you should look for a well-started bumblebee or killerbee male, since those carry both the pastel and spider genes (just a thought).

I would go to an expo. Youll save on shipping. I see NICE spider males for $125-$175

I think I am just going to wait til next weekend because I am looking for a burm too. all the breeding I know about and care, its just incubation. I have been working with two breeders over the past few months. The only reason why we are incubating at his place is due to the fact he has bigger incubator. So anything I go through I have for the most part learned over the past couple months, and I have help. I am even thinking about keeping Serenity at his place. I spend more time there then at home. But I really do think you for the advise and concern. I am really wanting to go ahead and get a rack and I can't find anything cheap online so I want to wait to see what they have at repticon, plus if I wait the one week I will have 2800 to spend there. When it comes to breeding the only thing I am not well versed in is morphs and genetics.

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Originally Posted by Annarose15

you should look for a well-started bumblebee or killerbee male, since those carry both the pastel and spider genes (just a thought).

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so if I breed a bumble bee to a normal what I could have the chance of getting is pastels and spider babies from my normal female. That right there sounds like I better idea.... now you gave me some ideas to play with... if I can get a male bumble bee and breed to my female norm I have the chance of getting 1/4 norm, 1/4 pastel, 1/4 spider and 1/4 bumble bee (of course just chances). according to world of ball pythons, if i can get hold of a female pastel as well I can maybe 1/8 killer bee. 1/8 super pastels. Now I know the odds gods are not always on our side but that is still pretty killer stuff. I can use my friends place for breeding if I can find some nice stuff and even house there at his house. These are some morphs the are hard to find in my area.

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Originally Posted by crepers86

so if I breed a bumble bee to a normal what I could have the chance of getting is pastels and spider babies from my normal female. That right there sounds like I better idea.... now you gave me some ideas to play with... if I can get a male bumble bee and breed to my female norm I have the chance of getting 1/4 norm, 1/4 pastel, 1/4 spider and 1/4 bumble bee (of course just chances). according to world of ball pythons, if i can get hold of a female pastel as well I can maybe 1/8 killer bee. 1/8 super pastels. Now I know the odds gods are not always on our side but that is still pretty killer stuff. I can use my friends place for breeding if I can find some nice stuff and even house there at his house. These are some morphs the are hard to find in my area.

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Now you're thinking! :gj: Since that pastel male you found is so nice, you could also look at still getting him, then a bee or spider female to grow up to breed him to in a year or two, after you've gotten a little experience with breeding to your normal female. You can typically find things cheaper at an expo, but there's also no equal to being selective in the genes you breed (there are much cheaper pastel males, but they and their babies won't look anything like that boy).

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Originally Posted by crepers86

do you know any good breeders that have an online store that sell just a normal spider. I would prefer and adult but I am not picky my problem is when I don't have the money to buy, I can find, when I have the money I can't find anything. Right now I am looking at RoyalConstrictorDesigns and the cheapest I can find is 175

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Male ball pythons can be sexually mature at 18 months, sometimes sooner.

I want to do pastels because I know the two pet stores will take these up fast, and sell them fast. for some reason if it isn't a pied your going to have a hard time finding it in this area so these two shops have to order out of state. Now of course that means it will probably be cheaper buying from me then out of state breeders

I got an awesome looking pastel at a reptile show a few weeks ago and he ate f/t small rats twice as he is alot bigger than a hatchling and the colors on him are ridiculous!!I am close to even saying the word Lemon! Listen to the people on here when they tell you to wait. Besides, shipping costs are crazy expensive!!! Just make sure you get the breeders card if you buy one. If he don't have a card get a pen and paper and write down their email and phone number. Most of the time they have business cards though. Great luck to you!!

BTW, if you can hang on a day or two I will post a pic to show you the quality of animal that can be had at a show for less than half on the web...

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Originally Posted by Spyderco1116

BTW, if you can hang on a day or two I will post a pic to show you the quality of animal that can be had at a show for less than half on the web...

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I definitely wasn't intending to imply that you can't get great animals at shows. I've gotten about half of mine from breeders at Repticon, or a few weeks later after talking to a breeder at a show and finding out more about what else they still had at home. The point I wanted to make was not to rush, no matter where you select your BP.

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Originally Posted by Annarose15

I definitely wasn't intending to imply that you can't get great animals at shows. I've gotten about half of mine from breeders at Repticon, or a few weeks later after talking to a breeder at a show and finding out more about what else they still had at home. The point I wanted to make was not to rush, no matter where you select your BP.

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And your point was received, I was just adding to what was being said. Cool beans? :gj:

Bought both my male spider with no wobble and my female fire at the last show here. Hell of a deal and way less then what your wanting to spend... Firespiders here i come..lol... I hope..

Male spider...
http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/...3/snake003.jpg

Female Fire...
http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/...3/snake008.jpg
Take your time, do the research and remember, buy junk produce junk, buy quality produce quality...:gj: O

I would recommend going to..

http://repticon.com/houston.html