Darker Morphs more Aggresive?

I forgot about this since the last white plains expo but anyways i was talking to one of the breeders at the expo and he said that darker morphs tend to be more aggresive. For example the chances of getting bit by a black pastel are higher than getting bit by a super pastel. Anyone ever heard of this before...?

I've never heard of that. Sounds skeptical to me. My black pastel is the most social and calm bp I have. I've never been tagged by her ever. However, I've been tagged by a lesser and mojo a few times each.

I honestly think it varies and depends on the animal. Maybe the guy has a genetic line of aggression. I know in some animals such as mice, aggression is heritable.


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Snake Bytes did an episode about this, and apparently it seems pretty true.

the snakebytestv video mentioned

http://youtu.be/HDVyhtOIBOM

Thought it was interesting.

I'm as big a fan of SnakeBytes as anyone, but I have not had any similar experiences with dark morphs. My very dark Cinny was a puppy dog and OBTW, Normals are pretty dark and they're the reason BPs became such popular pets.

On the other hand, I had an Orange Ghost that was the devil incarnate. That thing was purely evil and NEVER calmed down.

My cinny and my high white pied are literal demons. I personally think its each individual snake. I also have a few more demonically possessed snakes that range in light to dark.


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Originally Posted by drama x

Snake Bytes did an episode about this, and apparently it seems pretty true.

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i wonder if being covered in mites has anything to do with those snakes attitudes:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by jason_ladouceur

i wonder if being covered in mites has anything to do with those snakes attitudes:rolleyes:

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At the risk of picking up infraction points...:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl ::rofl:

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Originally Posted by jason_ladouceur

i wonder if being covered in mites has anything to do with those snakes attitudes:rolleyes:

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....Um, what? :weirdface Is there something I'm missing here?

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Originally Posted by HighVoltageRoyals

....Um, what? :weirdface Is there something I'm missing here?

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BHB has gained a reputation for selling/shipping snakes with mites. I am a victim of BHB mites as is LGray23 (and I'm sure plenty of other people). That's why mite jokes have been coming up when BHB is mentioned.

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Originally Posted by HighVoltageRoyals

....Um, what? :weirdface Is there something I'm missing here?

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Yes there is, but I've only been back around the Forum for a few days and I'm not ready to start Breeder Bashing just yet...

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Originally Posted by Kinra

BHB has gained a reputation for selling/shipping snakes with mites. I am a victim of BHB mites as is LGray23 (and I'm sure plenty of other people). That's why mite jokes have been coming up when BHB is mentioned.

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I see; thanks for the info! I really do like Snake Bytes but if mites are a problem with them, don't you think they should be spending more time on their snakes well being than making videos? Just aaaa....yeah, just going to put that out there.

I've posted on this before. I am not a fan of bashing unless the person/people are truely bad news. Although mites are a horrible issue it was fairly easy for me to treat. Two treatments of Provent-a-mite and I haven't seen them since. I personally think Brian is a really nice guy who has a lot on his plate. Although it probably comes down to being his fault that there is a mite problem, I still don't consider him a bad guy at all. The three snakes I got from him are absolutely perfect examples of the morphs, were very healthy besides the mites. I thoroughly checked over my snakes when they arrived with no signs of mites whatsoever, and didn't even notice them till a week or so later. I don't think he knowingly sends out snakes with mites, but they spread so quickly it's inevitable unless they are treated correctly.

Anyways, my mite problem is finished, no hard feelings towards Brian or BHB. I now am a little more responsible and use PAM as a preventative thanks to him actually. I've always said I should have some on hand but never did, and now I do.

As far as the morphs, I don't think the color correlates with their bad attitude. I think it is based on the individual snake, and maybe by pure chance most of the mean snakes tested happened to be a darker morph. My male OG, light as can be, is a jerk.

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Originally Posted by HighVoltageRoyals

I see; thanks for the info! I really do like Snake Bytes but if mites are a problem with them, don't you think they should be spending more time on their snakes well being than making videos? Just aaaa....yeah, just going to put that out there.

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.....before you start to say stuff go do some research. I'm getting fed up with all the stuff about BHB. When you're that large it is going to happen.. people just feel the need to keep bringing it up and bringing it up. It's honestly nerve racking. Bhb is one if the best you can buy from, and it's going to happen regardless some time.. mites are easy to get as bed bugs. So yeah, lets go on a spree and make fun of everyone with bed bugs or mites... seriously.... :/

I want to be perfectly clear, I wasn't trying to bash BHB I was simply explaining the situation. Anything I felt I needed to say about BHB was done in the proper section here and on fauna.

As for aggressive snakes, it's all over the board for me. Most of mine are fine because I work with them, but for a while my enchi, male spotnose and fire were all little jerks that would strike at anything that moved. I'm still working with my enchi, but he's gotten much better. None of those is a particularly dark morph, but at the same time my darkest normal and cinny can be a bit unpredictable at time.

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Originally Posted by zeion97

.....before you start to say stuff go do some research. I'm getting fed up with all the stuff about BHB. When you're that large it is going to happen.. people just feel the need to keep bringing it up and bringing it up. It's honestly nerve racking. Bhb is one if the best you can buy from, and it's going to happen regardless some time.. mites are easy to get as bed bugs. So yeah, lets go on a spree and make fun of everyone with bed bugs or mites... seriously.... :/

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That is not a good example, bed bugs are notoriously hard to get rid of because they spread so easily. A better example would be flees or head lice.

I have a pewter male that is just an a**. A male Mojave was always trying to bite me as well. Allthough I do have a female Mojave that is as sweet as a peach.

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I have some chocolates and some dark odd balls (CH and WC rescues) they are sweet my mojave female on the other hand... She is quite unpredictable she is fine one second and latched onto you the next with little to no warning...

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Originally Posted by Kinra

I want to be perfectly clear, I wasn't trying to bash BHB I was simply explaining the situation. Anything I felt I needed to say about BHB was done in the proper section here and on fauna.

As for aggressive snakes, it's all over the board for me. Most of mine are fine because I work with them, but for a while my enchi, male spotnose and fire were all little jerks that would strike at anything that moved. I'm still working with my enchi, but he's gotten much better. None of those is a particularly dark morph, but at the same time my darkest normal and cinny can be a bit unpredictable at time.



That is not a good example, bed bugs are notoriously hard to get rid of because they spread so easily. A better example would be flees or head lice.

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I didn't say they were easy to get rid of. I say easy to get. An fleas are thelike the black death... we've been fighting them for almost 8 months... just when you think they're gone they come back.

Yea idk it sounded kinda out there to me but i mean i guess it could be possible. My snakes are puppy dog tame bc i handle them pretty regularly and respect them.

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Originally Posted by zeion97

I didn't say they were easy to get rid of. I say easy to get. An fleas are thelike the black death... we've been fighting them for almost 8 months... just when you think they're gone they come back.

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I realize that now, I didn't read it correctly when I responded. Most parasites are sadly pretty easy to get. :(

Hey Mike41793, man u should have had to question at hand at the expo, i was there, and brian was there from BHB, u could have asked the man himself about the video :P

The BHB thing I am tired of. The posters whom have had direct dealings with BHB have the right to comment on the experience they have had but the 'My brothers cousin's uncle' tails are the really obnoxious part. Sharing an experience good bad or other wise I have no issue with but 'bashing' for the sake of bashing is unhelpful and a waste of time, especially when there is no first hand experience behind the comments.

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Originally Posted by zeion97

.....before you start to say stuff go do some research. I'm getting fed up with all the stuff about BHB. When you're that large it is going to happen.. people just feel the need to keep bringing it up and bringing it up. It's honestly nerve racking. Bhb is one if the best you can buy from, and it's going to happen regardless some time.. mites are easy to get as bed bugs. So yeah, lets go on a spree and make fun of everyone with bed bugs or mites... seriously.... :/

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I watch their videos all the time and I like them a lot. I'm not going to turn my nose up at them over this; they seem like legitimately good guys. I'm not making fun of them and it was just a light hearted suggestion. Sorry if I offended you in some way. :(

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Originally Posted by FrankieCarbone

Hey Mike41793, man u should have had to question at hand at the expo, i was there, and brian was there from BHB, u could have asked the man himself about the video :P

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No it wasnt really a question bc i have my own opinion about it but i was just wondering if anyone else had heard of this before. One of the other vendors had said it that i was tlking to, not BHB. And yea i saw brian there and woulda asked him but idk about the snakebytes video :p

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Originally Posted by kitedemon

The BHB thing I am tired of. The posters whom have had direct dealings with BHB have the right to comment on the experience they have had but the 'My brothers cousin's uncle' tails are the really obnoxious part. Sharing an experience good bad or other wise I have no issue with but 'bashing' for the sake of bashing is unhelpful and a waste of time, especially when there is no first hand experience behind the comments.

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Agreed!!! I dont open my mouth about it because ive only seen snakebytes tv and from that brian and his crew seem like geninuinely good guys.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Agreed!!! I dont open my mouth about it because ive only seen snakebytes tv and from that brian and his crew seem like geninuinely good guys.

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I would have agreed with you right up until I saw the episode about "Satan the burm". It was then that I lost all respect for the intregaty of both BHB and snakebitestv. To get back on track to the original post, I have heard all the talk about dark morphsbeing aggressive. I had one breeder tell me that all the cinnies he hatched are super aggressive. Bur personally I think that any connection between morph and agression is purly coincidence.

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Originally Posted by jason_ladouceur

I would have agreed with you right up until I saw the episode about "Satan the burm". It was then that I lost all respect for the intregaty of both BHB and snakebitestv. To get back on track to the original post, I have heard all the talk about dark morphsbeing aggressive. I had one breeder tell me that all the cinnies he hatched are super aggressive. Bur personally I think that any connection between morph and agression is purly coincidence.

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Why did you lose respect for them after that?

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Why did you lose respect for them after that?

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It was for 2 reasons. First I watched Brian and his 2 idiot sidekicks jump around like complete A HOLES and intentionally provoke an obviously nervous snake for the sake of an exciting clip. The sort of stunt I would expect from an animal planet crap special. And second was the horrifically inadequate housing that he forces all those poor giants to live in. To some like myself the actions are offensive to say the least. To others they seem to be O.K. I guess the question that plagues me is; if it was some other breeder. Not the great BHB that there had been numerous accounts from the people involved(not my friends cousins uncle) that had sold might infested, badly kinked animals. Would any one be willing to defend there actions? For someone who built there reputation on being in this buisness/hobby for all the right reasons. I would have to say that the last year for BHB tells me that those years may be behind them and now reptiles are just about the bottom line.

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Originally Posted by jason_ladouceur

It was for 2 reasons. First I watched Brian and his 2 idiot sidekicks jump around like complete A HOLES and intentionally provoke an obviously nervous snake for the sake of an exciting clip. The sort of stunt I would expect from an animal planet crap special. And second was the horrifically inadequate housing that he forces all those poor giants to live in. To some like myself the actions are offensive to say the least. To others they seem to be O.K. I guess the question that plagues me is; if it was some other breeder. Not the great BHB that there had been numerous accounts from the people involved(not my friends cousins uncle) that had sold might infested, badly kinked animals. Would any one be willing to defend there actions? For someone who built there reputation on being in this buisness/hobby for all the right reasons. I would have to say that the last year for BHB tells me that those years may be behind them and now reptiles are just about the bottom line.

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I agree with you totally about the housing. Especially for such an aggressive snake. I would have her as a pet in a seperate enclosure thats easier to clean and maintain her in. Also as far as size of the enclosure yea bigger maybe would be better but i know there are some people that keep all there bps in 28qt tubs. To me an adult female deserves bigger than that but i guess everyone is allowed to do their own thing.
As far as them harassing the snake and jumping around...idk. She seems like a genuinely aggressive, ill tempered and nasty snake to me. I mean as soon as they opened the rack she started hissing. Once they put her back in she struck at brian again for no reason. It wasnt really defensive imo bc he wasnt coming at her face or anything and she was already safely back in her enclosure. Everytime he tried to pick her up she tried to bite him. Even aggresive snakes usually calm down a little bit. Now with all this said ill admit i have zero first hand experience with keeping big snakes but ive at least held them and they didnt come at me like satan lol.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

I agree with you totally about the housing. Especially for such an aggressive snake. I would have her as a pet in a seperate enclosure thats easier to clean and maintain her in. Also as far as size of the enclosure yea bigger maybe would be better but i know there are some people that keep all there bps in 28qt tubs. To me an adult female deserves bigger than that but i guess everyone is allowed to do their own thing.
As far as them harassing the snake and jumping around...idk. She seems like a genuinely aggressive, ill tempered and nasty snake to me. I mean as soon as they opened the rack she started hissing. Once they put her back in she struck at brian again for no reason. It wasnt really defensive imo bc he wasnt coming at her face or anything and she was already safely back in her enclosure. Everytime he tried to pick her up she tried to bite him. Even aggresive snakes usually calm down a little bit. Now with all this said ill admit i have zero first hand experience with keeping big snakes but ive at least held them and they didnt come at me like satan lol.

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I watched people ask about Satan at NARBC... Every time they said her name he sorta went quiet.. She really is mean imo... Which is a rare among Captive burms.

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Originally Posted by zeion97

I watched people ask about Satan at NARBC... Every time they said her name he sorta went quiet.. She really is mean imo... Which is a rare among Captive burms.

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To contribute to the off topic discussion, even if she is genuinely aggressive he shouldn't have made a video about it and posted it online. A little editing and that could be turned into a major weapon against us. That's just my 2 cents.

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Originally Posted by zeion97

I didn't say they were easy to get rid of. I say easy to get. An fleas are thelike the black death... we've been fighting them for almost 8 months... just when you think they're gone they come back.

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This will sound goofy but it works.

Get a flat pan with at least 1" high sides and fill it with water and a bit of dish detergent.

Get a small clamp-on light and clamp it to the side of the tray.
Turn on the light.

Stick the whole thing under a piece of furniture where it's dark and then sit back and laugh sadistically as the little blood-sucking morons make a leap for that lovely, warm light and then slowly, agonizingly drop into and drown in the soapy water.

It's better than TV.

[I hate fleas]

Put one in every room if you'd like.
They will find it.

You'll be surprised at what else may jump in....such as the huge, fat black spider I found drowned in my pan.

The thought that that thing had previously been running unseen around my bare feet made my skin crawl.

:spid0r:

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Originally Posted by Kinra

To contribute to the off topic discussion, even if she is genuinely aggressive he shouldn't have made a video about it and posted it online. A little editing and that could be turned into a major weapon against us. That's just my 2 cents.

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Here's how it's done:

http://your4state.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=234962

Bill is temporarily closing shop to go fight the politicos.
His online store is still open and the man breeds great, healthy, well cared for snakes and other reptiles.
He cares about his animals and his after-sale support is second to none.

You can visit him at http://www.reptilecrib.com/

Tell him Shari sent you....:)

You can also follow his updates on his Facebook page, link at the bottom left corner.
Enjoy the video.

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Originally Posted by Salamander

Here's how it's done:

http://your4state.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=234962

Bill is temporarily closing shop to go fight the politicos.
His online store is still open and the man breeds great, healthy, well cared for snakes and other reptiles.
He cares about his animals and his after-sale support is second to none.

You can visit him at http://www.reptilecrib.com/

Tell him Shari sent you....:)

You can also follow his updates on his Facebook page, link at the bottom left corner.
Enjoy the video.

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Finally! A positive news story for us...Thanks for posting!

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Originally Posted by HighVoltageRoyals

Finally! A positive news story for us...Thanks for posting!

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He's got people with video equipment lining up some other educational projects.

The guy is throwing himself totally into fighting this governmental stupidity at the PR level.

I wish him well and will do whatever I can to help.

I'm not sure where I'm going with it, but I just registered www.saveoursnakes.com

I'm thinking of making a central 'clearing house' for all the news links, websites and petitions.

I have to do something.

The lives and livelihoods of too many depend on defeating this idiocy.

I've been through the dog "breed ban wars" for decades and I know how this crap works and most of all, how it feels to be unfairly singled out by the enemy camps of peta and HSUS.

They're the evil kings of the disinformation campaign.

:mad:

If anybody here can help me make the best use of the website with info, links, videos...whatever we can gather up to fight this witch hunt...I'll be extremely grateful.

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Originally Posted by Salamander

He's got people with video equipment lining up some other educational projects.

The guy is throwing himself totally into fighting this governmental stupidity at the PR level.

I wish him well and will do whatever I can to help.

I'm not sure where I'm going with it, but I just registered www.saveoursnakes.com

I'm thinking of making a central 'clearing house' for all the news links, websites and petitions.

I have to do something.

The lives and livelihoods of too many depend on defeating this idiocy.

I've been through the dog "breed ban wars" for decades and I know how this crap works and most of all, how it feels to be unfairly singled out by the enemy camps of peta and HSUS.

They're the evil kings of the disinformation campaign.

:mad:

If anybody here can help me make the best use of the website with info, links, videos...whatever we can gather up to fight this witch hunt...I'll be extremely grateful.

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I might be in platonic love with both of you! LOL On a side note, the website you provided is broken and when I tried to look it up on Google, all I got was "saveoursnacks.com". Can you please post the website again because I would love to check it out!

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Originally Posted by HighVoltageRoyals

I might be in platonic love with both of you! LOL On a side note, the website you provided is broken and when I tried to look it up on Google, all I got was "saveoursnacks.com". Can you please post the website again because I would love to check it out!

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LOL!

There's not even anything there yet.

When I said I "just made the domain", I meant as in a few minutes before I posted the statement...:D

Sometime tonight I will have a bare bones announcement/mission statement page up.

Please post anything/everything/the kitchen sink you want to contribute here or PM me.

If you have large attachments you want to send, write directly to Cold-Djinn at myactv.net

[naturally, replace "at" with @]

"SaveOurSnacks", hmm?

That might be good to register to protest the gubmint's snoopy intrusions into our eating habits....LOL

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Originally Posted by Salamander

LOL!

There's not even anything there yet.

When I said I "just made the domain", I meant as in a few minutes before I posted the statement...:D

Sometime tonight I will have a bare bones announcement/mission statement page up.

Please post anything/everything/the kitchen sink you want to contribute here or PM me.

If you have large attachments you want to send, write directly to Cold-Djinn at myactv.net

[naturally, replace "at" with @]

"SaveOurSnacks", hmm?

That might be good to register to protest the gubmint's snoopy intrusions into our eating habits....LOL

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:rofl: Well, crap. Aren't I the definition of instant gratification! Can't wait to see what you put together!

And I think the "SaveOurSnacks" thing was a bunch of kids whining that their soda pop and vending machines were going to be pulled from public schools and replaced with healthy alternatives. I didn't delve too far into it for obvious reasons but yyyeaahhh. :3

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:rofl: Well, crap. Aren't I the definition of instant gratification! Can't wait to see what you put together!

And I think the "SaveOurSnacks" thing was a bunch of kids whining that their soda pop and vending machines were going to be pulled from public schools and replaced with healthy alternatives. I didn't delve too far into it for obvious reasons but yyyeaahhh. :3

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I'll say.

I may be fast but I'm still just a mere mortal.....LOL

The vending machine issue a no-brainer.

Your parents don't send you to school with a roll of quarters; no vending machine junk food.

Now how hard was that?

:D

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

I forgot about this since the last white plains expo but anyways i was talking to one of the breeders at the expo and he said that darker morphs tend to be more aggresive. For example the chances of getting bit by a black pastel are higher than getting bit by a super pastel. Anyone ever heard of this before...?

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To get back on topic a lil bit ;)

We've dealt with hundreds (okay, thousands by now if you count normals) of ball pythons and morphs, and there doesn't seem to be any correlation to color and temperament, any more than there is a correlation between gender and temperament. As was mentioned in an earlier post, there may be some line breeding that is perpetuating a bit of a nastier disposition in some snakes and lines, but not all snakes are going to react the same way as certain lines of them do.

There can also be a bit of the self-fulfilling prophecy in the way people go about handling snakes. If you expect a snake to be mean, and handle it as such, even placid snakes can get fed up with a nervous handler, and will react accordingly. If you handle every snake with confidence, you can pick up amazon tree boas, bloods, retics, or red tailed ratsnakes with the same ease that you can handle the average ball python.

-Jen

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Originally Posted by HighVoltageRoyals

:rofl: Well, crap. Aren't I the definition of instant gratification! Can't wait to see what you put together!

And I think the "SaveOurSnacks" thing was a bunch of kids whining that their soda pop and vending machines were going to be pulled from public schools and replaced with healthy alternatives. I didn't delve too far into it for obvious reasons but yyyeaahhh. :3

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Okay...this is just a place holder/first draft/temporary site.

http://www.SaveOurSnakes.com

Start sending good stuff!

:D