guess which is which...again, sorry sarin haha

I dont know why I wrote Sarin sorry for the mix up, I meant DixiePythons made a post with a vanilla pastel, and a fire and I thought it was a fun little challenge. I also have a which is which that I always thought was a good one as well. Again Sarin sorry for the mix up, and sorry for ripping off your thread dixie I just thought another would be fun haha.

ok so...which is the normal, and which is the fire...?

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z...RiSTYN/092.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z...iSTYN/Kali.jpg

1st ones a fire?

Top. Head marker?

Neither!:D

I cant see the head on the second one and the lighting is a little off too. But I agree neither look like a fire to me.

keep em' comin people once I hit 10 responses I will give it away

What I meant to say was neither are fires. Thats my guess.

Neither looks like a fire to me

i cant wait n e longer lol


top IS fire hahahaahahaha

bottom is normal

kind of a bad pic though on the bottom i realized it after the fact. but again, very easy to mix up ;)

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i cant wait n e longer lol


top IS fire hahahaahahaha

bottom is normal

kind of a bad pic though on the bottom i realized it after the fact. but again, very easy to mix up ;)

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Are you sure the top ones a Fire? :confused: Doesnt look anything like any Fire I have seen, and we own multiple fires. Who did you get it from?

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i cant wait n e longer lol


top IS fire hahahaahahaha

bottom is normal

kind of a bad pic though on the bottom i realized it after the fact. but again, very easy to mix up ;)

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I dont see the color or pattern of a fire and also All the fires I have seen have a light spot on their head. That one doesn't look like a fire at all to me. I hope you have a pair of them to prove it is a fire by producing a BEL otherwise I think you got ripped off and in the future you will sell other normals as fires because you think on average half your offspring will be fires.

its actually a pic I found on the internet of just fires that I searched.

I personally think fires are slightly over-rated. I love the super, but they really are just a nice looking normal in my opinion thats kinda why I made this thread. But heres the thing, I LOVE normals lol. Its currently all I own, and one pastel male. In no way am I saying this morph is nothing special, but there are a lot of other morphs out there that I think I would rather buy(my opinion). When mixed with the proper morph they really do enhance almost everything about the other gene and create beautiful animals. I'm just saying I'm always seeing fires on kingsnake that just look like normals to me, but regardless of the fact they are indeed fires. I think they can be easy to mix up at a young age. Its weird though, some Fires are absolutely stunning and theres no way you can really mix it up, but a lot do have a normal "looking" appearence and to the novice eye it can be challenging to tell the big difference. I think the adults are a lot easier to tell apart in terms of fires and normals. Pretty hard to mistake the two of them.

LOL I was wondering why my name was here.

I was going to say niether as well.

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I dont see the color or pattern of a fire and also All the fires I have seen have a light spot on their head. That one doesn't look like a fire at all to me. I hope you have a pair of them to prove it is a fire by producing a BEL otherwise I think you got ripped off and in the future you will sell other normals as fires because you think on average half your offspring will be fires.

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http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=734131

that looks pretty normal to me...

no head marker, color is average, and pattern could VERY easily just be normal.


http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=712247


this one is a good example of a fire, but still I have seen normals that look as nice as this. Again, NO head marker. Beautiful coloration and pattern. I'm mostly arguing that the to the untrained eye it can be hard. Still a beautiful snake, but there definitely just sweet looking normals TO ME.

There are alot of scammers out there too and they see a lighter than average normal and try to sell it as a fire. Then the person that buys it breeds it and sell the baby's as fires too next thing you know there are many people selling normals as fires. I personally think on a subtle morph like a fire I would only buy one from a reputable breeder or one that was a sibling to a BEL and had all the typical markings.

you only think fires are over rated because you've never seen one (clearly if you think either of those pictures are fires).

Apic of our fire @ about 500g a while back. Even in this picture he's clearly NOT a normal.

Adult fires of good quality looklike hypos, quite good hypos!

http://masonexotics.co.uk/images/ra.jpg

"in the flesh" fires are amazing as are all the combos they touch. The super is the "least" fire can do ;)

Fires can do a LOT!
A couple we produced.
Pastel Fires
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/DSC_1016.jpg

Next to a "regular" Pastel
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/DSC_1017.jpg

A couple Fires(very noticable fires)

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...FireFemale.jpg
600 Gram fire with normal
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/DSC_1439.jpg

haha, ok I've never seen one...?


I've seen plenty guy, yours looks normalish to me too...? Its a subtle morph get over it haha. I don't see why your making it big deal. I think its over-rated. My opinion thats all. Jason is probably right, and would further incline me to think that all these fires I am seeing are actually normal scammers. But still a subtle morph. You act like I'm saying there ugly lol. There awesome, just a normal though with nice colors and pattern.

Plus not for anything, I have videos up on youtube of my snakes and a lot of people told me I have a fire and its not...You think that fires are sooo distinguishable and there not. You can argue till your blue in the face with me on this one, I think fire is a nice normal that produces white super forms lol.

and again, I am aware of the combo potential. And when they are adults there colors are a lot more bright and noticeable.

A good example of a fire is much different then your average normal IMO. You just have to know what you're looking for.

With your logic it's like saying a Spider is just a normal with a nice pattern..

Just my 0.02.

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A good example of a fire is much different then your average normal IMO. You just have to know what you're looking for.

With your logic it's like saying a Spider is just a normal with a nice pattern..

Just my 0.02.

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how is it like saying that at all...? I am saying that fire's look like normals!!! OMG, I can't believe why this is hard to grasp...Look at the snake, does it not have a normal "looking" pattern? YES! You act like I'm saying that theres no way to tell the difference. Of course I can tell the difference, you can tell the difference we look at these snakes all day everyday, but again like I said in previous posts on this thread, to the untrained eye it can be difficult. Saying my logic is like comparing a spider to a normal is INSANE. You are talking about a very OBVIOUS morph that when put next to a normal is COMPLETELY different. A Fire has a normalesque pattern, where a spider has a very reduced type of pattern. Kind of an insulting comment actually. Lets just drop of it since a lot of you are misunderstanding what I am saying.

Also, you proved my point. You said when you know what to look for haha!! Well, not everyone knows what to look for. So can you see my point a little here? A person that doesn't know jack about ball's that thinks a fire is a normal is proof. Thats all I am sayin lol. Not that the Fire is a boring morph because it appears normalish sometimes, but that it can EASILY be misidentified as a normal if you as Sarin says it "don't know what to look for..." End of story.

PS If someone can't tell the difference, that should kind of be an indicator that its not that flashy of a morph. That in a nut-shell is what I am saying. Sorry to beat this one dead, but I don't want people think I am disrespecting this morph because I love fires. And I love normal's!! I love balls period haha. And btw Sarin sorry if I came off a little ticked there, your comment insulted my logic a little too much and I reacted too bluntly, I apologize. Not trying to make enemies, just friends and debate.

No one is getting agro, you just don't make much sense.

Your logic is flawed, someone "not into balls" of course woldn't know a fire from a lesser from a clown form a normal.

All of our collective points are that fires do not looklike normals, either as hatchlings or as adults. People can't tell the difference because they can be hard to photograph, like I said it helps to have seen them in person not just via kingsnake.

I'd love to see any picture of a normal that looks as good as these nice fires that are being posted, adult fires look as clearly different to normal royals as adult hypos do and even a novice/non ball keeper can tell the two are different even if they don't know (or care) why.

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...7/img_7333.jpg


I love my fire female, I don't feel like I have to get a ghost right now, I believe I have a mutation real close to it that makes white snakes.LOL So to make long story short fires are the shiznit! IMHO

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how is it like saying that at all...? I am saying that fire's look like normals!!! OMG, I can't believe why this is hard to grasp...Look at the snake, does it not have a normal "looking" pattern? YES! You act like I'm saying that theres no way to tell the difference. Of course I can tell the difference, you can tell the difference we look at these snakes all day everyday, but again like I said in previous posts on this thread, to the untrained eye it can be difficult. Saying my logic is like comparing a spider to a normal is INSANE. You are talking about a very OBVIOUS morph that when put next to a normal is COMPLETELY different. A Fire has a normalesque pattern, where a spider has a very reduced type of pattern. Kind of an insulting comment actually. Lets just drop of it since a lot of you are misunderstanding what I am saying.

Also, you proved my point. You said when you know what to look for haha!! Well, not everyone knows what to look for. So can you see my point a little here? A person that doesn't know jack about ball's that thinks a fire is a normal is proof. Thats all I am sayin lol. Not that the Fire is a boring morph because it appears normalish sometimes, but that it can EASILY be misidentified as a normal if you as Sarin says it "don't know what to look for..." End of story.

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Just going by this post, that's all.

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haha, ok I've never seen one...?


I've seen plenty guy, yours looks normalish to me too...? Its a subtle morph get over it haha. I don't see why your making it big deal. I think its over-rated. My opinion thats all. Jason is probably right, and would further incline me to think that all these fires I am seeing are actually normal scammers. But still a subtle morph. You act like I'm saying there ugly lol. There awesome, just a normal though with nice colors and pattern.

Plus not for anything, I have videos up on youtube of my snakes and a lot of people told me I have a fire and its not...You think that fires are sooo distinguishable and there not. You can argue till your blue in the face with me on this one, I think fire is a nice normal that produces white super forms lol.

and again, I am aware of the combo potential. And when they are adults there colors are a lot more bright and noticeable.

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This whole thread looks like a waste of time to me... why would you go on the internet and find two normal looking balls to compare with? Were you trying to prove a certain point unknown to all of us? For one you do not own either snakes, or gave credit, and two honestly I think you picked two normal snakes. You say youve seen fires in person, but did you take the time to actually look at it? Because I think you would have known that the pictures you provided either are normals, or horrible examples of the morph. Anyone at a show can pass a morph at a show and then say they saw it.

Most people who have had any experiance with morphs can tell a fire from a normal. Fires are lighter, have head markers, and alot of them have an earthy pattern to me.

What most people have trouble with is that they always think that their light normal is a fire...

Will you be doing the same thread with the yellow belly and the chocolate?

Im just confused why you made this thread... To me it seems all you wanted to say was fires look like normals to you, and im sure once you are more experianced with morphs you will beg to differ, and went through way to much trouble of saying something we already kinda know. if you think fires look to much like normals for your taste, then simply to not get one.

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This whole thread looks like a waste of time to me... why would you go on the internet and find two normal looking balls to compare with? Were you trying to prove a certain point unknown to all of us? For one you do not own either snakes, or gave credit, and two honestly I think you picked two normal snakes. You say youve seen fires in person, but did you take the time to actually look at it? Because I think you would have known that the pictures you provided either are normals, or horrible examples of the morph. Anyone at a show can pass a morph at a show and then say they saw it.

Most people who have had any experiance with morphs can tell a fire from a normal. Fires are lighter, have head markers, and alot of them have an earthy pattern to me.

What most people have trouble with is that they always think that their light normal is a fire...

Will you be doing the same thread with the yellow belly and the chocolate?

Im just confused why you made this thread... To me it seems all you wanted to say was fires look like normals to you, and im sure once you are more experianced with morphs you will beg to differ, and went through way to much trouble of saying something we already kinda know.

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ya he did go through too much trouble to try to tell his opinion which we already kno. i agree with this thread. it pretty much sums up what i was thinking LOL.

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No one is getting agro, you just don't make much sense.

Your logic is flawed, someone "not into balls" of course woldn't know a fire from a lesser from a clown form a normal.

All of our collective points are that fires do not looklike normals, either as hatchlings or as adults. People can't tell the difference because they can be hard to photograph, like I said it helps to have seen them in person not just via kingsnake.

I'd love to see any picture of a normal that looks as good as these nice fires that are being posted, adult fires look as clearly different to normal royals as adult hypos do and even a novice/non ball keeper can tell the two are different even if they don't know (or care) why.

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Well. How come I showed someone not into snakes a bunch of pictures of morphs and he could clearly show me which is different from normal. I showed him a spider, lesser, genetic stripe, pastel, and a mojave. Every single one he was able to point out, EXCEPT when I compared a normal to fire. He wouldn't be able to tell sometimes. Sometimes he would and would say is that one just lighter? You guys really are blowing this out of proportion and now I feel stupid now for posting this. You all have a terrible way of boasting your opinion, and have a great way of making someone feel stupid. All I was TRYING to do was say that fires CAN sometimes be confused for normals. You all act like I was insulting your intelligence saying you can't tell the difference or something. Listen, pretend I never posted this because it seems all of you missed the point horrendously and were only out to prove me wrong on this. Honestly I could careless about your opinion anymore because I have NORMAL people proving me right everytime. Your all snake dorks of course its obvious to you. I think all you fire owners just got a little upset because I compared your 300$ morph to 30$. I've seen them in person and I do enjoy looking at them because I DO know what to look for. I do know what makes them different and awesome in there own right. And I DO know because I have eyes, and I'm a human being that the appearance of this snake is normalish. IF you cannot understand that, well then I am sorry that we don't possess the same eyeballs and the same logic because appparantly mine doesn't make much sense. But explain to me what is so hard about admitting that the Fire has a normal looking pattern? NOTHING! I can see it being hard if you own one and spent money,, but get over your investment. It is what it is. STill a beauty, but not as eye popping as some other snakes. This was just supposed to be a fun little comparison that Fire can SOMETIMES(not always) be confused as normals if were not as smart as all of you of course. But you had to ruin it with your god awful opinions, and YOUR logic which doesn't make sense to the average joe, which is what counts because the average joe is what helps the hobby grow.

and btw beardeddragon you really think I picked normal snakes? Are you that ignorant? You must be dumb question...But, anyway think what you want bro. I have no idea what I am talking about...I've never seen a Fire your right. In fact I have never seen a morph EVER. So my opinion really means jack anyway so why even argue. Your right, I'm wrong. Its funny though because only on this site is it possible to prove an opinion wrong because of all the hot headed idiots. And its also funny because there was a fire pictured there, and you thought it was normal lmao!!! So basically, you proved my point again. What a waste of time, and something that could have been fun comparison. Did you all just get mad because you didn't know which was which or something? Did I finally fool the pros haha? Thats gotta be it!!!

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https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...7/img_7333.jpg


I love my fire female, I don't feel like I have to get a ghost right now, I believe I have a mutation real close to it that makes white snakes.LOL So to make long story short fires are the shiznit! IMHO

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did I ever say they weren't?

I would love for someone to find where I said that I didn't like this morph, or understand it.

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No one is getting agro, you just don't make much sense.

Your logic is flawed, someone "not into balls" of course woldn't know a fire from a lesser from a clown form a normal.

All of our collective points are that fires do not looklike normals, either as hatchlings or as adults. People can't tell the difference because they can be hard to photograph, like I said it helps to have seen them in person not just via kingsnake.

I'd love to see any picture of a normal that looks as good as these nice fires that are being posted, adult fires look as clearly different to normal royals as adult hypos do and even a novice/non ball keeper can tell the two are different even if they don't know (or care) why.

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i remeber saying this in like 3 other posts on this thread that the adults are A LOT easier to tell the difference. READ SMART GUY! Here you go insulting my logic, when you cant even read.

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This whole thread looks like a waste of time to me... why would you go on the internet and find two normal looking balls to compare with? Were you trying to prove a certain point unknown to all of us? For one you do not own either snakes, or gave credit, and two honestly I think you picked two normal snakes. You say youve seen fires in person, but did you take the time to actually look at it? Because I think you would have known that the pictures you provided either are normals, or horrible examples of the morph. Anyone at a show can pass a morph at a show and then say they saw it.

Most people who have had any experiance with morphs can tell a fire from a normal. Fires are lighter, have head markers, and alot of them have an earthy pattern to me.

What most people have trouble with is that they always think that their light normal is a fire...

Will you be doing the same thread with the yellow belly and the chocolate?

Im just confused why you made this thread... To me it seems all you wanted to say was fires look like normals to you, and im sure once you are more experianced with morphs you will beg to differ, and went through way to much trouble of saying something we already kinda know. if you think fires look to much like normals for your taste, then simply to not get one.

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1. To prove that Fires CAN be misidentified to the novice eye.
2. I did not pick two normals to prove a point, and made sure I found fires for sale not just normals off of photo bucket. And I am sorry for not giving credit even though I did leave links to the actual sale.
3. What is a horrible example of a morph anyway? A fire is a fire no? Again I said sometimes, not always. Not every Fire is as obvious as the next.
4. They don't all have head markers. And, not all of them have the obvious Fire pattern, again not all examples are the same. Again why I made this thread that some fires are A LOT more subtle.
5. No, but maybe a yellow belly to a normal to how many of you get that wrong too.
6. If your still confused on why I made this thread well then I think you should look into some of your logic, and look into another way of thinking besides the know it all approach because it doesn't work....AGAIN LET ME EMPHASIZE THIS. I KNOW WHAT A FIRE LOOKS LIKE. I CAN TELL THEM APART FROM NORMALS. JUST SAYING SOME EXAMPLES OF THESE GUYS CAN BE TRICKY. PERIOD.

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No one is getting agro, you just don't make much sense.

Your logic is flawed, someone "not into balls" of course woldn't know a fire from a lesser from a clown form a normal.

All of our collective points are that fires do not looklike normals, either as hatchlings or as adults. People can't tell the difference because they can be hard to photograph, like I said it helps to have seen them in person not just via kingsnake.

I'd love to see any picture of a normal that looks as good as these nice fires that are being posted, adult fires look as clearly different to normal royals as adult hypos do and even a novice/non ball keeper can tell the two are different even if they don't know (or care) why.

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Your collective point doesn't make sense??? How come some of you say that you know that they appear normalesque and some of you say they don't look like normals at all? Because your an opinionated person and you have to be right in all cases. I could easily find a picture of a normal that looks just as good as these fires and I already did because a lot of you are calling it a normal lmao!! ITS A NOT A NORMAL!

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3. What is a horrible example of a morph anyway? A fire is a fire no?

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Absolutely not. Quality can very tremendously within any morph. Some can be cleaner, brighter, more or less blushing, pattern, etc. You seem very deffensive about this topic. You gave your opinion and others stated theirs...lighten up!

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did I ever say they weren't?

I would love for someone to find where I said that I didn't like this morph, or understand it.

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I do not think she was saying that you did not like the morph in question

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But explain to me what is so hard about admitting that the Fire has a normal looking pattern? Actually, go to google images and you will find that alot of them do have a unique pattern unlike normals.Now not all of them, but alot of them do. Even take a look at the lesser fire, they change the pattern and color to them, that would mean that they are not just a color mutation. But, it is very very subtle. NOTHING! I can see it being hard if you own one and spent money,, but get over your investment. It is what it is. I almost feel as though someone posted a fire, said take a look at its sweet non normal pattern and crazy color and you are argueing with them... but...no one did? STill a beauty, but not as eye popping as some other snakes. This was just supposed to be a fun little comparison that Fire can SOMETIMES(not always) be confused as normals if were not as smart as all of you of course. But you had to ruin it with your god awful opinions, and YOUR logic which doesn't make sense to the average joe, which is what counts because the average joe is what helps the hobby grow.

and btw beardeddragon you really think I picked normal snakes? Are you that ignorant? You must be dumb question...But, anyway think what you want bro. I have no idea what I am talking about...I've never seen a Fire your right. In fact I have never seen a morph EVER. Now im trying to find out where ive said all of these things... I have no idea if youve ever seen one So my opinion really means jack anyway so why even argue. Your right, I'm wrong. Its funny though because only on this site is it possible to prove an opinion wrong because of all the hot headed idiots. Well really you made a statement more that a opinion, because thats how your treatingit...one that most of us already know. Nothing wrong with that, just a waste of time to me.And its also funny because there was a fire pictured there, and you thought it was normal lmao!!! So basically, you proved my point again. What a waste of time, and something that could have been fun comparison. Did you all just get mad because you didn't know which was which or something? Did I finally fool the pros haha? Thats gotta be it!!! [COLOR="red"][SIZE="3"]Fool the pros? I know im not a pro. In fact, I do not own a single ball python right now.

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1. To prove that Fires CAN be misidentified to the novice eye.

Your not proving anything,we all know that fires can be misidentified.

2. I did not pick two normals to prove a point, and made sure I found fires for sale not just normals off of photo bucket. And I am sorry for not giving credit even though I did leave links to the actual sale.

The only links I see from you are these

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=734131
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=712247

And neither go to either snakes. All you said was you went on the internet and found pictures of the most normal looking "fires" you could find. Correct me if im wrong about not posting links... I just do not see them.

3. What is a horrible example of a morph anyway? A fire is a fire no? Again I said sometimes, not always. Not every Fire is as obvious as the next.

Your right about that.

4. They don't all have head markers. And, not all of them have the obvious Fire pattern, again not all examples are the same. Again why I made this thread that some fires are A LOT more subtle.

Again why I feel like this thread was a waste of time... We all know this... no point in finding normal looking snakes to poke at. Id understand if you were asking if that certain "fire" was indeed a fire, but no.
5. No, but maybe a yellow belly to a normal to how many of you get that wrong too.
6. If your still confused on why I made this thread well then I think you should look into some of your logic, and look into another way of thinking besides the know it all approach because it doesn't work....AGAIN LET ME EMPHASIZE THIS. I KNOW WHAT A FIRE LOOKS LIKE. I CAN TELL THEM APART FROM NORMALS. JUST SAYING SOME EXAMPLES OF THESE GUYS CAN BE TRICKY. PERIOD.

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READ SMART GUY! Here you go insulting my logic, when you cant even read.

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Your saying I have the know it all attitude...maybe I have to because I find your being a little rude in your posts and do not deserve my teddy bear attitude.



Can you post where you found these? It might very well be a fire.

Also... you keep saying look at all of our logic...well... look at yours? Right here you say you found a picture of a normal...but...then its not a normal and now something other than just a normal?

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I could easily find a picture of a normal that looks just as good as these fires and I already did because a lot of you are calling it a normal lmao!! ITS A NOT A NORMAL!

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Listen the only reason I was being rude is because you didn't exactly come off in a polite manner yourself, and not just you for the record. I am not trying to make a point, but a lot of you seem to have had a point to prove. I made this because Dixie Pythons made a thread about a vanilla and a fire. I found it kinda entertaining that people were getting a little stumped because some of the differences in the two pictured. SO, I thought hey wouldn't it be fun(boy was I wrong) if I made one with a Fire and a normal? That is it everyone. That is all I set out to do here. And then everyone starts saying, they dont look like normals, and this and that. I have no logic, and just not really saying things the way they could have I guess, and it didn't exactly come off nice. I am aware just as you all are of the differences. I was just having a little fun like Dixie but people for some reason didn't like that I compared a fire to a normal. I guess with lower grade morphs its not frowned upon lol? I'm sorry if I offended anyone, this was just supposed to be game sorta thing. Read the begining of the thread I didn't in anyway try to seem like I was proving a point. Everyone had to get all technical though lol.

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Listen the only reason I was being rude is because you didn't exactly come off in a polite manner yourself, and not just you for the record. I am not trying to make a point, but a lot of you seem to have had a point to prove. I made this because Dixie Pythons made a thread about a vanilla and a fire. I found it kinda entertaining that people were getting a little stumped because some of the differences in the two pictured. SO, I thought hey wouldn't it be fun(boy was I wrong) if I made one with a Fire and a normal? That is it everyone. That is all I set out to do here. And then everyone starts saying, they dont look like normals, and this and that. I have no logic, and just not really saying things the way they could have I guess, and it didn't exactly come off nice. I am aware just as you all are of the differences. I was just having a little fun like Dixie but people for some reason didn't like that I compared a fire to a normal. I guess with lower grade morphs its not frowned upon lol? I'm sorry if I offended anyone, this was just supposed to be game sorta thing. Read the begining of the thread I didn't in anyway try to seem like I was proving a point. Everyone had to get all technical though lol.

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This thread was fine until someone said that you have never seen a fire before, which I do not think was the best thing to be said because whoever posted that probably has no idea if you ever have.

I personaly just want to know if the supossed fire is really a fire, thats all.

I see now that people just misunderstood what I was saying. I think if everyone knew that I was just creating another version of what Dixie posted and was just trying to have a little fun no one would have said what they did. I think people thought I was trying to say that fires are normals or something like that idk...? I just wanted to try to create a scenario with two pics that can EASILY be misidentified because these morphs can sometimes be tricky for the 10th time haha. I feel like I wrote that last sentence a lot lol. I never was out to insult all of your intelligence in anyway, and I think you all took it that way unfortunately. Sorry if some of you got the wrong idea with this thread. It was just supposed to be a late night "which is which" thread, not a "look how normal fires look, and how lame they are..." I know all of you pride all of your morphs regardless of what they might look like, so if we can all drop it and just forget about it because this is all just misunderstanding after misunderstanding. love you all, goodnight

I still don't believe either one is a fire. Just because someone is selling it as a fire on kingsnake does not mean it is. I have seen people trying to sell normals as pastels on kingsnake and plenty of other snakes mislabeled on there. Until I saw that snake produce a BEL there is no way you could convince me ether is a fire.

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I still don't believe either one is a fire. Just because someone is selling it as a fire on kingsnake does not mean it is. I have seen people trying to sell normals as pastels on kingsnake and plenty of other snakes mislabeled on there. Until I saw that snake produce a BEL there is no way you could convince me ether is a fire.

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maybe, I guess we'll never know lol.

I know one thing though, I'm never making a which is which post using a fire and a normal again haha :colbert:

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I know one thing though, I'm never making a which is which post using a fire and a normal again haha :colbert:

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the idea would have been cool if it was just pointless fun. like the lesser vs butter (the answer was both being butters) thread.

maybe if u got a pic of a high quality fire, and a nice looking normal, it would have been interesting.

the thread went sour when someone said something that got u butthurt. no point in arguing with ppl =p. i agree with the others who said both snakes pictured are normals, and i also agree with u in saying we might never kno.

oh wells =p. do another one of these cuz i think they're fun. doesnt matter the morph, i like the challenge :gj:

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the idea would have been cool if it was just pointless fun. like the lesser vs butter (the answer was both being butters) thread.

maybe if u got a pic of a high quality fire, and a nice looking normal, it would have been interesting.

the thread went sour when someone said something that got u butthurt. no point in arguing with ppl =p. i agree with the others who said both snakes pictured are normals, and i also agree with u in saying we might never kno.

oh wells =p. do another one of these cuz i think they're fun. doesnt matter the morph, i like the challenge :gj:

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Exactly!! Well, I know I should HAVE used a quality fire but that would have been obvious. What I will do next time is leave links to where I found the pics, and I will strictly use classafieds just so we can point out these scammers as well if there are fakes. I wanted to use a lower quality fire because they resemble normals better then the nicer ones haha. And, if there are people really doing this I think this is a great way of weeding out shady breeders haha.

It all boils down to the fact that a Fire is a very visable morph to those of us who know anything about BP's. If a member thinks a fire looks like a normal then they have not seen enough normals and fires close up. That top picture, if it is a fire, is a terrible example of a fire and I would not buy it for $50.00 if it was being advertised as a fire.

My fires must be very light, ghostly, greap lip spots/moustache, light skull markings on the head, pied-like railroad tracks along the belly, orange ringers, light colored eyes, overall different body color (more orange or yellow tint) and very clean belly aside from tracks.. etc etc etc..

There is a quite a few very obvious traits that we look for in Fire. How can you the think everyone would be OK with it when someone comes on here to make a pointless thread just to complain about how they think a fire looks like a normal?? They do not. Plus if you only did an image search for "fire" BP's, I'm willing to bet that snake in your top pic is not a fire. Especially with how young it is. Sure it has a slightly lighter head spot but so does my incredibly dark "normal" female. That is actually a "normal" trait. The head spot on a fire will have a very distinct shape to it. My female fire has a pyramid on her head and my male has more of a skull.

So instead of telling us to get over it, look at about 50 more actual fireballs next to different looking "normals".

Even next to the light normals, there is a huge difference.

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It all boils down to the fact that a Fire is a very visable morph to those of us who know anything about BP's. If a member thinks a fire looks like a normal then they have not seen enough normals and fires close up. That top picture, if it is a fire, is a terrible example of a fire and I would not buy it for $50.00 if it was being advertised as a fire.

My fires must be very light, ghostly, greap lip spots/moustache, light skull markings on the head, pied-like railroad tracks along the belly, orange ringers, light colored eyes, overall different body color (more orange or yellow tint) and very clean belly aside from tracks.. etc etc etc..

There is a quite a few very obvious traits that we look for in Fire. How can you the think everyone would be OK with it when someone comes on here to make a pointless thread just to complain about how they think a fire looks like a normal?? They do not. Plus if you only did an image search for "fire" BP's, I'm willing to bet that snake in your top pic is not a fire. Especially with how young it is. Sure it has a slightly lighter head spot but so does my incredibly dark "normal" female. That is actually a "normal" trait. The head spot on a fire will have a very distinct shape to it. My female fire has a pyramid on her head and my male has more of a skull.

So instead of telling us to get over it, look at about 50 more actual fireballs next to different looking "normals".

Even next to the light normals, there is a huge difference.

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No. Heres what it boils down to. People that can't drop something like you. Do yourself a favor and don't post on any topic I ever make because your help and input is as useless as my pinky toe. Theres always someone on these site that have to say ONE more thing, get that last post in there to prove there POINTLESS point. Fires have normal looking patterns how could you possibly say they don't somewhat resemble a normal. I know what I AM LOOKING AT FOOL! AND I KNOW YOU DO FOR THE 100TH TIME!!! People on here even said "your telling me something I already know.." Meaning that they KNOW they look kind of like normals(but deff arent), whats your point? I wasn't making a point if YOU can read, which you can't because I posted already and I am not saying it again. I was having a little fun. I'm sorry that this link pissed you off so much, and I can't understand after all my previous post you still have something negative and stupid to say after I explained what I really was after. Keep your know it all comments to yourself please, I don't need to be told what I know, and what I've seen. You obviously don't know jack youself if you can't open your crap eyes to the fact that fires resemble a normal lmao.

Guess who doesn't care about YOUR fires and what they need to look like...THIS GUY RIGHT HERE!!

Guess who doesn't care about how much you would pay for the fires I showed on this thread....THIS GUY RIGHT HERE!!

Guess who doesn't care about anything you have to say now....you guessed it...THIS GUY RIGHT HERE!

Oh and I am curious...can you find the post I made where I complained about how a fire looks like a normal? I said they do look like a normal...KIND OF. I also said in certain cases. Did I say all? Did I ever say I didn't like fires? Can you find it smart guy? No. I asked that people drop it because it was causing misunderstanding after misunderstanding, and because it was starting fights...Now you started another one. Why would you post again? There were already 10 or so other people who said pretty much what you said. But you had to say it to feel cool, or accomplished I don't know..? Can you tell me that? Did you just want to have the last word and make me feel stupid? Why would you want to do that? Whats the point of making an effort in something like that But its good because now I know who's really a genuine person and wants to help, and be as polite as possible. That all goes away with me personally when people like you open there mouths and I will never let anyone talk to me that way. Not even some nasty women like you over the internet. So do me and yourself, and everyone on here who doesn't wanna to read this anymore a favor and don't ever post on this thread or any of my threads because your help is not wanted or your B/S opinion.

First of all - take it down a notch or two or three.

Second of all - YOU started a thread, but you do not get to dictate who decides to comment on your thread. Once you post a thread on a public forum, it is open for anyone to comment on, whether you personally like their responses to you or not, unless the staff decides to lock it down.

Third - why are you being so defensive about a topic that you started? Did you expect everyone to agree with you?

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First of all - take it down a notch or two or three.

Second of all - YOU started a thread, but you do not get to dictate who decides to comment on your thread. Once you post a thread on a public forum, it is open for anyone to comment on, whether you personally like their responses to you or not, unless the staff decides to lock it down.

Third - why are you being so defensive about a topic that you started? Did you expect everyone to agree with you?

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Im perfectly aware of that anyone can comment, and I like that. What I don't like is how people talk, and TRY to make someone feel stupid. Why is that so hard to understand? Whenever I post I make sure I'm not offending anyone, unless they offended me in some way. Some of the comments were offensive, and that makes people DEFENSIVE. Understand? Not hard politics. I talk to others how I want to be treated. Thats it. She didn't go about it the right way at all as for some others, but the others either stopped posting because it was pointless debate, or got what I was saying. OK HERE WAS THE POINT OF THREAD. TO TRY AND FOOL A FEW OF YOU INTO THINKING A NORMAL WAS A FIRE. Now lets see how many people can still post on this thread on how stupid I am for comparing the two. I will never do it bpnet. never.

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=747502

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=734131
*this one could be fake, but if it isn't totally could pass for a normal too.

*How could you say a Fire doesn't resemble a Normal? Yes it has a head marker, but if it didn't that could totally fool someone into thinking its a normal. Thats it. All I was TRYING to say. But trying to make it a little more fun and see if I can fool some of you. Not to start fights.

The point that was being made was - you didn't post a picture of a fire that was truly representative of a fire.

The pictures in the link you just posted ARE more representative of a fire, and had you posted one of that quality next to a normal, that would have a been a more accurate "guess which is which".

My point in my caution above was, you cannot order someone to never reply to any of your threads, even if you don't like what they have to say.

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The point that was being made was - you didn't post a picture of a fire that was truly representative of a fire.

The pictures in the link you just posted ARE more representative of a fire, and had you posted one of that quality next to a normal, that would have a been a more accurate "guess which is which".

My point in my caution above was, you cannot order someone to never reply to any of your threads, even if you don't like what they have to say.

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Haha I'm sorry, but I figured I would save some aggrevation between the both of us because her opinion is no longer wanted from me, ever.

Also, let me ask you this rabernet...

Why on earth would I put the BEST example of a fire I could find to compare it to a normal? Don't you think its kind of obvious then? The point was to fool you guys. If there was something I was out to prove, it was that there are some fires that can be an exception to the rule. Not to make an obvious comparison between a sweet fire, and a normal. I wasn't trying to be fair haha, just have a little fun. Which is impossible to have I'm seeing because some people are just too opinionated and its funny because there all on forum sites :P

**but you have my word that I will never post pics off of google or anything like that. Just kingsnake, and my own collection. I will also never compare a fire and a normal ever again in my existence as human being on earth just to avoid fights.

**Also there are ways to prove points, without being a complete you know what.

I hope that someone comes along and will kindly point out to me where I was trying to make the OP feel stupid with my post. I do not believe I said anything that would warrant name calling and such an on-the-defensive attitude. I wonder if you would be like that in person if this same topic was brought up among a group of people. Probably not as most people would not tolerate that type of response to a comparison debate like this. The internet sure makes people brave and for lack of a better word, just plain mean.

Maybe if some other members had not bumped this thread back to the top, I would not have responded. As is were, Fire balls are one of my favorites and that is what this thread on this public/community forum was about. So really. Stop reading so much into what the responders say. If you are this short tempered on a forum like this, dont even post. Why try to strike up a conversation, comparison, debate etc, if most of the posts are going to set you off? Cyber yelling, name calling, degrading, and then putting a "lmao" after such things? Come on. Turn around and take a look. :weirdface :disbelief

I expect another rediculas reply after this but dont worry about me posting anything more here on your precious thread. Thanks for the entertainment though :gj:

ok so i tried not to post anything but i cant hold my tounge any longer, dsmalex97 the op clearly has some issues, if you had the chance to take a free fire you would definitly take it and think it was awsome, ecpesilly considering the fact you dont have any morphs for that matter, and to try to make a point and use a horrible example and then get mad at everyone whos telling you that you are wrong is really funny, and whats with all the lol's and hahaha and omg's you sound like your a twelve year old girl who got her first cell phone!!! and just to let you know i will not post back on this thread to ANY of you ignorent respones,
and heres a example of a fire that would have been more appropriate for your stupid little game!! and make sure to ask for permission before you use it cause its my snake;) (clearly not a normal)

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...01374_1302.jpg

and you should also get permission from the owner of that paradox albino you have in your avatar cause its clearly not yours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D:D:D
and that is against the rules, lol hahaha omg im a idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This thread is mind boggling.

p.s.

I think I found the Department of Redundancy Department in this thread. I think.