Is this Normal from a known breeder?

So now you're not going to get your lawyer friend into this?

As far as I'm concerned I shouldn't need to. I'm giving this time to fix itself. I'm not trying to be pushy to him..Just want everything the way it should be.

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From what I can gather I don't think the OP outright asked Garrick for a replacement snake. I'm sure if he did he would receive one free of charge as the terms are stated. Garrick has always been great with me so I hate to see him put in a bad light just because all the facts aren't out there.

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Your surety, though doubtless sincere, is of no value. None. You aren't garrick and he hasn't said squat in public.

derrick, no one is attacking you, but you are making yourself a target by being so vague. It seems like you're evading questions which is a sure way to get people to pay attention to you. Your half answers and references to phone calls and that we won't understand are all well used and much disliked and also add to the illusion that you and garrick are basically hiding something or things that you just don't want the details of out in public.

And now, I'm really done. Obviously derrick does not need anyone's help anymore.

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Your surety, though doubtless sincere, is of no value. None. You aren't garrick and he hasn't said squat in public.

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From doing business with him and having a positive experience, I would would think is of value when looking into if a breeder has a track record of poor business habits.

This is ridiculous. If the OP is satisfied a resolution was reached, why is others still egging him on? People are just stirring up the pot for no apparent reason.

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This is ridiculous. If the OP is satisfied a resolution was reached, why is others still egging him on? People are just stirring up the pot for no apparent reason.

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Because it seems as if the breeder isn't honoring his shipping terms and we all want to know if its true. Every time he asked about it he just side steps around it. He also seems to be scared to talk about it because he hasn't gotten all of his snakes yet.

I emailed Garrick, and he will be on tonight:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/06/quhu8uta.jpg

It's about time someone let him know...thanks for doing that Bobba...I knew there was some part of the story that wasn't being told.

And I did not release the breeder's name simply to stir the pot or start crap, I did it because the OP was too afraid to, and I like many on here wanted to know who it was.

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I emailed Garrick, and he will be on tonight:

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Yep. Good work Bobbafett :gj:. It makes sense now.

He is just waiting for his activation to come through now.

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I emailed Garrick, and he will be on tonight:

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The missing puzzle piece! I knew from my experience with Garrick that not sending a replacement didn't sound right. I had to wait two weeks for the weather to warm up enough in WI to get him. As impatient as I was to wait, I'd always rather have a live snake and mine arrived alive and well.

Especially with expensive snakes I wouldn't do anything that would negate the live arrival guarantee. I think it's way more than nice of Garrick to offer a deal on a replacement snake when he was shipped when it wasn't deemed the right time.

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Hmmm, it's sure starting to look like my surety that Garrick is a upfront reputable breeder was spot on now.

I had never heard anything bad about him before, and that screenshot pretty much ends this whole issue, but I have to admit...I still wanna hear Garrick's side just for fun ;) Lol

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I emailed Garrick, and he will be on tonight:

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And this would fall under void guarantee as I mentioned in an earlier post.

If the breeder wants to delay the shipment due to the whether conditions and the buyer still insist on the animal being shipped this will generally void the live arrival guarantee.

In this case this would be on the buyer.

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I had never heard anything bad about him before, and that screenshot pretty much ends this whole issue, but I have to admit...I still wanna hear Garrick's side just for fun ;) Lol

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Yeah, he's a good guy. Bought my Albino from him at the beginning of 2012 and the little guy was in and still is in stellar condition not to mention that the ordering and everything all went smoothly for my first purchase. Only nitpick I've ever heard about him outside of this whole mess was in regards to the Toffinos because apparently some people think it's muddying up the bloodlines. Know nothing about them though so can't really speak on the matter.

Glad to see that this whole thread finally seems like it will be coming to a conclusion soon though.

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From what I can gather I don't think the OP outright asked Garrick for a replacement snake. I'm sure if he did he would receive one free of charge as the terms are stated. Garrick has always been great with me so I hate to see him put in a bad light just because all the facts aren't out there.

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Honestly I would love to see emails. I'm not stating that Garrick should be put in a bad light. I just found it so strange he would not honor his own terms.

and now a missing piece to the puzzle. Honestly how breeders AND customers react during transactions say a lot.

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And now the OP will disappear...

What was the rush?

If I felt it wasn't safe to ship, I wouldn't ship. If the buyer can't wait, the buyer can shop elsewhere. Who's at fault?

Very sad that the snake had to die.

After reading that email he sent it all does make sense.

I thought it was strange that a big breeder like Garrick wouldn't honor his guarantee but he obviously stated it was too cold to ship but Derek insisted otherwise.

As of yet we have no proof that Garrick told him it was too cold to ship or that the OP told him to ship anyway. He might have, but didn't the OP say they discussed temps before shipping and they had agreed to go ahead? I can't find the post, so I may be wrong, but I thought the OP covered the weather being OK.

And without Garrick posting some sort of proof that the OP did tell him to ship, we can't really know who said what.

I really just feel that this is all between Garrick and the OP, and it's being meddled in a bit more than necessary. As I stated before, the OP never intended to reveal the breeders name, so he wasn't trying to cast a bad light on anyone. The breeder was revealed against his wishes, and now has exploded into a big stick-your-nose-in-someone-else's-business. Now messages from the breeder are being copied and pasted, when he said himself he would come and address the situation. Once again, information is plastered where it has no business being plastered. Why was Garrick not allowed to address this on his own, in his own time? I just really feel there is too much meddling going on, and the original question should have simply been addressed as it was, and let the OP and the breeder work out the issue. Personally, this thread has not affected whether or not I would buy from Garrick, and I don't believe the OP EVER wanted the breeder's name involved. I feel bad for both the OP and Garrick in this situation.

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I really just feel that this is all between Garrick and the OP, and it's being meddled in a bit more than necessary. As I stated before, the OP never intended to reveal the breeders name, so he wasn't trying to cast a bad light on anyone. The breeder was revealed against his wishes, and now has exploded into a big stick-your-nose-in-someone-else's-business. Now messages from the breeder are being copied and pasted, when he said himself he would come and address the situation. Once again, information is plastered where it has no business being plastered. Why was Garrick not allowed to address this on his own, in his own time? I just really feel there is too much meddling going on, and the original question should have simply been addressed as it was, and let the OP and the breeder work out the issue. Personally, this thread has not affected whether or not I would buy from Garrick, and I don't believe the OP EVER wanted the breeder's name involved. I feel bad for both the OP and Garrick in this situation.

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If needed, I can post the email from Garrick where he thanks me for posting the email he sent since it will take a day before his account is activated.

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If needed, I can post the email from Garrick where he thanks me for posting the email he sent since it will take a day before his account is activated.

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I'm not blaming anyone or trying to stir any poop. I just really think the whole thread should have never involved the breeders name, as the OP obviously didn't want to reveal it. This could have all been avoided from the start had the question just simply been answered and let the OP and the breeder work out what they needed to.

What is the boi thread?


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I really just feel that this is all between Garrick and the OP, and it's being meddled in a bit more than necessary. As I stated before, the OP never intended to reveal the breeders name, so he wasn't trying to cast a bad light on anyone. The breeder was revealed against his wishes, and now has exploded into a big stick-your-nose-in-someone-else's-business. Now messages from the breeder are being copied and pasted, when he said himself he would come and address the situation. Once again, information is plastered where it has no business being plastered. Why was Garrick not allowed to address this on his own, in his own time? I just really feel there is too much meddling going on, and the original question should have simply been addressed as it was, and let the OP and the breeder work out the issue. Personally, this thread has not affected whether or not I would buy from Garrick, and I don't believe the OP EVER wanted the breeder's name involved. I feel bad for both the OP and Garrick in this situation.

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That's exactly what I was thinking. If the OP didn't want to release the name of the breeder why does someone else have the right to? This thread seems pointless if everything is resolving itself between the two parties.

Personally i wouldn't knowingly ship an animal in unsafe temperature or weather condition even if the buyer insisted on it. It can lead to dead animals and customer service headaches like this.

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Personally i wouldn't knowingly ship an animal in unsafe temperature or weather condition even if the buyer insisted on it. It can lead to dead animals and customer service headaches like this.

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And yet, only one of seven died. It's kind of hard to blame that on the weather alone. Still, without emails to back up their claims, nothing is for sure as yet.

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I really just feel that this is all between Garrick and the OP, and it's being meddled in a bit more than necessary. As I stated before, the OP never intended to reveal the breeders name, so he wasn't trying to cast a bad light on anyone. The breeder was revealed against his wishes, and now has exploded into a big stick-your-nose-in-someone-else's-business. Now messages from the breeder are being copied and pasted, when he said himself he would come and address the situation. Once again, information is plastered where it has no business being plastered. Why was Garrick not allowed to address this on his own, in his own time? I just really feel there is too much meddling going on, and the original question should have simply been addressed as it was, and let the OP and the breeder work out the issue. Personally, this thread has not affected whether or not I would buy from Garrick (2), and I don't believe the OP EVER wanted the breeder's name involved. I feel bad for both the OP and Garrick in this situation.

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While I understand where you're coming from Nimbly, and true, Garrick's name was thrown out there without the OP's consent, it remains that Garrick's name was made public, and he has every right to defend what the OP brought to everybody's attention. The screenshot of Garrick's response is nothing but helpful in this situation, where people are in fact anxious to get a response - This thread would probably be another 8 pages long by now, if it wasn't known that Garrick was intending to come post after the fact.

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I think the disappearance of the OP since this was shown says its all.

Since when does a copy of an email count as hard evidence? Since when do forum accounts have a one day activation policy?

Hi,

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Since when does a copy of an email count as hard evidence? Since when do forum accounts have a one day activation policy?

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Sometimes the email activation part of the registration can cause delays - sometimes it gets moved to a junk email folder by mistake and sometimes it gets flagged as spam by an internet provider.

In these situations we can fix the problem this end but that relies on one of the Admins being online. Occasionally real time commitments can cause a delay in that happening.


dr del

I stand corrected. Never had an issue myself. Thanks for clarifying!

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Sometimes the email activation part of the registration can cause delays - sometimes it gets moved to a junk email folder by mistake and sometimes it gets flagged as spam by an internet provider.

In these situations we can fix the problem this end but that relies on one of the Admins being online. Occasionally real time commitments can cause a delay in that happening.


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While I understand where you're coming from Nimbly, and true, Garrick's name was thrown out there without the OP's consent, it remains that Garrick's name was made public, and he has every right to defend what the OP brought to everybody's attention. The screenshot of Garrick's response is nothing but helpful in this situation, where people are in fact anxious to get a response - This thread would probably be another 8 pages long by now, if it wasn't known that Garrick was intending to come post after the fact.

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Nobody said that Garrick shouldn't have the right to defend his name... however he shouldn't have even had to defend his name, since no one was even making a claim against him. The OP asked a general question, privately messaged another member trusting that he could confide in them, only to have that person reveal the breeder's name publicly. I'm sorry to the OP that he chose the wrong person to confide in. I'm sorry to Garrick that he now even has to waste his time defending himself because of it. I'm sure he has better things to be doing, and now having to take his time out of his day to worry over this DRAMA is ridiculous.

As for the OP disappearing, he's probably fed up with everything. I know I would be, if my simple general question got blown completely out of proportion and now I have to worry about my large transactions and relationship between said breeder. I would disappear from this discussion too. Lets not forget that the OP NEVER WANTED THE BREEDERS NAME EXPOSED. He wasn't trying to slander anyone. So he's not running and hiding from anything but a bunch of crap that got blown up.

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Nobody said that Garrick shouldn't have the right to defend his name... however he shouldn't have even had to defend his name, since no one was even making a claim against him. The OP asked a general question, privately messaged another member trusting that he could confide in them, only to have that person reveal the breeder's name publicly. I'm sorry to the OP that he chose the wrong person to confide in. I'm sorry to Garrick that he now even has to waste his time defending himself because of it. I'm sure he has better things to be doing, and now having to take his time out of his day to worry over this DRAMA is ridiculous.

As for the OP disappearing, he's probably fed up with everything. I know I would be, if my simple general question got blown completely out of proportion and now I have to worry about my large transactions and relationship between said breeder. I would disappear from this discussion too. Lets not forget that the OP NEVER WANTED THE BREEDERS NAME EXPOSED. He wasn't trying to slander anyone. So he's not running and hiding from anything but a bunch of crap that got blown up.

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Well put. It's amazing how some people feel they are owed something on a forum. Sad that the op didn't want to put the breeders name out there yet another member felt it was his/her duty and right to. If it were me I would have disappeared as well. I love forums to learn from (with a grain of salt) but personally get tired of sifting through a bunch of know it all posts to find some valuable info. But such is life online! Reminds of the commercial. "Must be true I saw it on the Internet"

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Well put. It's amazing how some people feel they are owed something on a forum. Sad that the op didn't want to put the breeders name out there yet another member felt it was his/her duty and right to. If it were me I would have disappeared as well. I love forums to learn from (with a grain of salt) but personally get tired of sifting through a bunch of know it all posts to find some valuable info. But such is life online! Reminds of the commercial. "Must be true I saw it on the Internet"

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I completely agree!

This was good stuff. Got me through my whole bowl of raisin bran crunch and then some.

I'd still be hesitant to come to any conclusions until Garrick posts pics of the emails where Derrick says he wants to ship regardless of temps...

If you send me a PM, without checking first to see if I'm willing to keep what you send me private, you have made the huge mistake of ASSuming I will not share as I see fit what you have sent.

The person pm'd was under no obligation, that I know of, to keep anything a secret.

This was not blown out of proportion, it actually brought to light some of the intricacies of online selling and buying, how important it is to READ a seller's TOS and how to answer questions without making it seem like you're hiding facts that are pertinent to the problem. The OP failed to provide what was needed to be of assistance to him. The OP muddled through this half-heartedly. Blaming those who tried to help is hardly fair.

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Nobody said that Garrick shouldn't have the right to defend his name... however he shouldn't have even had to defend his name, since no one was even making a claim against him. The OP asked a general question, privately messaged another member trusting that he could confide in them, only to have that person reveal the breeder's name publicly. I'm sorry to the OP that he chose the wrong person to confide in. I'm sorry to Garrick that he now even has to waste his time defending himself because of it. I'm sure he has better things to be doing, and now having to take his time out of his day to worry over this DRAMA is ridiculous.

As for the OP disappearing, he's probably fed up with everything. I know I would be, if my simple general question got blown completely out of proportion and now I have to worry about my large transactions and relationship between said breeder. I would disappear from this discussion too. Lets not forget that the OP NEVER WANTED THE BREEDERS NAME EXPOSED. He wasn't trying to slander anyone. So he's not running and hiding from anything but a bunch of crap that got blown up.

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Who said that you have to keep the PM private? There is no rule that says that. Unless someone says "hey please keep this a secret" i dont feel obligated at all to keep something private.

The OP started a fire by saying "hey guys is it normal for a breeder to do this?" It was something that was DEFINITELY not a normal thing for a breeder to do. So everyone here of course wanted to know who it was so that way they could choose to or choose not to do business with them in the future. If it was as bad as the OP made it seem then i would have not (and some other people too) purchased anything from Garrick in the future.

Hey everyone. I don't generally have a lot of time to spend on forums (too many snakes to take care of!), so I had no idea this thread was going on until another user alerted me to it last night. I wasn't able to activate my account so I couldn't respond until now. So here is what happened:

The customer purchased a group of snakes and wanted me to ship them out. There was really bad weather- tornadoes, thunderstorms and extremely high winds coming through the Southeast and Mid-Atlantic part of the US. Fed Ex's sorting facility is in Memphis, TN, right in the middle of where the storms were coming. Also, I am shipping out of WI where I have to deal with bad Winter shipping conditions all the time. I've learned to know when to ship and when not to over the past 15 years. I shipped 32 boxes the day before and didn't lose anything. In fact, my survival rate over the past decade has been about 99.9%, because I am very careful of when I ship. I did not think it was a good idea to ship on the day the customer wanted me to send his order out. I told him repeatedly that it wouldn't be safe and he insisted that I shipped. I told him I wouldn't guarantee live delivery if he insisted that I shipped and he said to go ahead and everything would be fine. That was the only shipment I sent out that day. I had 8 or 9 others I was supposed to ship, but I told the customers it wasn't a good idea and they all were ok with waiting. I packed his box with 2 30hr heat packs and 1 40 hour pack, just like I do all of my shipments at this time of year. The shipment would have been fine if it would have been delivered on schedule. It was guaranteed by 10:30AM and wasn't delivered until 1:58PM so there absolutely was a delay. Temps may have been around 60 locally where it was delivered, but it was in the 20s and 30s during most of the transit time. It is hard to say where the box was sitting during the delay. It may have been outside waiting for a plane to arrive. I have no way of knowing, but it must have been stranded in cold weather for an extended period of time. The bottom line is I told him it wasn't safe to ship and he insisted. I told him if I shipped, I wouldn't guarantee live delivery and he still wanted me to ship. When he received the box and found the dead mystic, he emailed me to let me know, but never once asked me to replace it or even asked for action of any kind. I told him to let the snake warm up gradually and it may come around. He emailed me several hours later to tell me it didn't work. That was pretty much the end of it until this week when he said he wanted more snakes. I gave him a price quote that included a discount large enough to completely cover the mystic and I also offered him another male mystic for less than half price. I feel like that is pretty generous considering the situation. His partner placed the order and I will ship when I feel it is safe. I do have emails to back up everything I've said. I don't know what else I could have done, other than simply refused to ship and have the customer get really mad at me, possibly canceling the order altogether. This should be a lesson to everyone to have patience, and if a breeder thinks they should wait to ship, understand he/she is doing that so situations like this are avoided. I feel horrible that the snake died in shipment. I try my best to make sure it doesn't happen and I've been very fortunate over the years to have an extremely high survival rate. I hope this clears everything up.

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Hey everyone. I don't generally have a lot of time to spend on forums (too many snakes to take care of!), so I had no idea this thread was going on until another user alerted me to it last night. I wasn't able to activate my account so I couldn't respond until now. So here is what happened:

The customer purchased a group of snakes and wanted me to ship them out. There was really bad weather- tornadoes, thunderstorms and extremely high winds coming through the Southeast and Mid-Atlantic part of the US. Fed Ex's sorting facility is in Memphis, TN, right in the middle of where the storms were coming. Also, I am shipping out of WI where I have to deal with bad Winter shipping conditions all the time. I've learned to know when to ship and when not to over the past 15 years. I shipped 32 boxes the day before and didn't lose anything. In fact, my survival rate over the past decade has been about 99.9%, because I am very careful of when I ship. I did not think it was a good idea to ship on the day the customer wanted me to send his order out. I told him repeatedly that it wouldn't be safe and he insisted that I shipped. I told him I wouldn't guarantee live delivery if he insisted that I shipped and he said to go ahead and everything would be fine. That was the only shipment I sent out that day. I had 8 or 9 others I was supposed to ship, but I told the customers it wasn't a good idea and they all were ok with waiting. I packed his box with 2 30hr heat packs and 1 40 hour pack, just like I do all of my shipments at this time of year. The shipment would have been fine if it would have been delivered on schedule. It was guaranteed by 10:30AM and wasn't delivered until 1:58PM so there absolutely was a delay. Temps may have been around 60 locally where it was delivered, but it was in the 20s and 30s during most of the transit time. It is hard to say where the box was sitting during the delay. It may have been outside waiting for a plane to arrive. I have no way of knowing, but it must have been stranded in cold weather for an extended period of time. The bottom line is I told him it wasn't safe to ship and he insisted. I told him if I shipped, I wouldn't guarantee live delivery and he still wanted me to ship. When he received the box and found the dead mystic, he emailed me to let me know, but never once asked me to replace it or even asked for action of any kind. I told him to let the snake warm up gradually and it may come around. He emailed me several hours later to tell me it didn't work. That was pretty much the end of it until this week when he said he wanted more snakes. I gave him a price quote that included a discount large enough to completely cover the mystic and I also offered him another male mystic for less than half price. I feel like that is pretty generous considering the situation. His partner placed the order and I will ship when I feel it is safe. I do have emails to back up everything I've said. I don't know what else I could have done, other than simply refused to ship and have the customer get really mad at me, possibly canceling the order altogether. This should be a lesson to everyone to have patience, and if a breeder thinks they should wait to ship, understand he/she is doing that so situations like this are avoided. I feel horrible that the snake died in shipment. I try my best to make sure it doesn't happen and I've been very fortunate over the years to have an extremely high survival rate. I hope this clears everything up.

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Thanks. Now, if you could just dot one more I and cross one more T by posting his emails telling you to ship and you telling him you'd rather not, then I think all will be perfectly clear.

I hope that you trust your gut feeling next time.
Shipping should never be based on how much of a rush of the buyer is in.

I only feel bad for the snake.

I think the op did open a can of worms. You can't post a dead snake, without everybody here wanting to know who, what, why, and where. And then neglect to include important details, such as their live arrival guarantee was void since they requested shipping in unsafe conditions, as stated by the breeder. So no, that is not normal from a big breeder, as they normally wouldn't have shipped! That loss is his, Garrick is in no way obligated to do anything for him. And what is so damn important that he HAD to have them shipped that day?? For the safety of the animal, he couldn't wait a day or two? Really? Disgusting is what this all is. A snake died probably because of someone's impatience.

And to Nimbly, after all this came out, Garrick had a right to know and to speak his side of the story. Also, for the record, I have purchased from Garrick, and my transaction was fine, and my snake arrived alive.

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If you send me a PM, without checking first to see if I'm willing to keep what you send me private, you have made the huge mistake of ASSuming I will not share as I see fit what you have sent.

The person pm'd was under no obligation, that I know of, to keep anything a secret.

This was not blown out of proportion, it actually brought to light some of the intricacies of online selling and buying, how important it is to READ a seller's TOS and how to answer questions without making it seem like you're hiding facts that are pertinent to the problem. The OP failed to provide what was needed to be of assistance to him. The OP muddled through this half-heartedly. Blaming those who tried to help is hardly fair.

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My fault I was under the impression a PM was also known as a PRIVATE Message. I forgot there is no such thing as common courtesy on the Internet. But it is clever how you capitalize ASSuming.

Impatience is not the only blame.
Shame on both parties.

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I think the op did open a can of worms. You can't post a dead snake, without everybody here wanting to know who, what, why, and where. And then neglect to include important details, such as their live arrival guarantee was void since they requested shipping in unsafe conditions, as stated by the breeder. So no, that is not normal from a big breeder, as they normally wouldn't have shipped! That loss is his, Garrick is in no way obligated to do anything for him. And what is so damn important that he HAD to have them shipped that day?? For the safety of the animal, he couldn't wait a day or two? Really? Disgusting is what this all is. A snake died probably because of someone's impatience.

And to Nimbly, after all this came out, Garrick had a right to know and to speak his side of the story. Also, for the record, I have purchased from Garrick, and my transaction was fine, and my snake arrived alive.

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And to Nimbly, after all this came out, Garrick had a right to know and to speak his side of the story. Also, for the record, I have purchased from Garrick, and my transaction was fine, and my snake arrived alive.

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Please don't skew what I said. I NEVER said Garrick didn't have the right to know, nor did I ever say he didn't have the right to defend himself. Perhaps you should reread what I wrote, as I've repeated myself several times already... but to be nice I'll repeat myself AGAIN. The OP never put Garrick's name out... Someone else did. This could have all been avoided and Garrick wouldn't have needed to spend time out of his day defending something he never did wrong, had someone not put his name out. This was a can of worms that never even needed to be opened but dang it, everyone just kept prying the can until it opened. Silly really. It's like some people have just GOT to make a mountain out of a molehill. Listen, I think this forum is great and I don't have a problem with anyone on it... would like to keep it this way. My statement is just how I see it all... Too much drama that didn't need to be created.

Well, it seems a lesson was learned on both ends of the deal.

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You would hope.

Now how does it work on the end of FedEx? If they guarantee a time and fail to meet it, is it just to bad or do they pay an insurance?

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You would hope.

Now how does it work on the end of FedEx? If they guarantee a time and fail to meet it, is it just to bad or do they pay an insurance?

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I think we need to notify FedEx of this post and have them put their two cents worth in... After all, it is their reputation that is now on the line......
And yes, that was facetious. Ha

Am I just reading more threads that aren't immediately interesting, or is the forum doing a lot more of this debate club stuff recently?

OP mysteriously disappears. Classic. A name to add to my list of 'not worth doing business with.'

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I think we need to notify FedEx of this post and have them put their two cents worth in... After all, it is their reputation that is now on the line......
And yes, that was facetious. Ha

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Fedex and UPS do NOT guarantee live arrival. Period. He is supposed to get his shipping refunded if he paid for an early delivery and they didn't make it IF the guarantee early delivery to the receivers location. In many places they do not guarantee early delivery. Paying for insurance to ship a live animal any way other than Delta Dash, or some other airline equivalent is a waste of money.