HELP! boa bit python, found wounded reeeeel week n gaping mouth on sunday. wha...

[QUOTE=sorraia;1992457]Fellow herpers have said this guy treats reptiles. Online references refer mostly to treatment of lizards, but there are a couple references to snakes:

Tom Greek, DVM
Village Animal Hospital
23379 Golden Springs Dr.
Diamond Bar, CA 91765
Tel: (909) 861-7463....
he opened his own clinic...
here's the full info on tom greek's new location for your records.
...greek & associates 23687 via del rio, yorealinda ca 92887 714-463-1190
you have been sooo helpful. thank you so much.

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Oddmary. None of us are being negative. We are being realistic. I'm not trying to be mean here but are you prepared to spend lots of cash to rehabilitate this animal if it can indeed be saved? Vet trips aren't cheap and neither is treatment. No offence but assuming its a normal ball python, a new hatchling will be much cheaper than the vet appointment and treatment. Please stop this snake from suffering and have it put down. It's the right thing to do.

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I'm going to go against the flow of the current here and say I'm rather appalled and embarrassed by all the forum "know it alls". For anyone to recommend that someone put down their pet without knowing exactly what the issue is is ignorance of the highest level. Snakes are resilient animals, and a broken jaw in a snake(if that's the issue) can be healed. If the owner has the time, resources, and will to pursue that route, to save their pet, then it's on them, and I for one support them. If the snake has to wait a couple days to make a final decision, the owner is completely in their right to wait. The part in bold might actually be the most ridiculous statement of the entire thread. My dog had to have an ACL repaired a couple years ago...and she's just a plain Jane, average shelter mutt that cost me a total of $75. I could have easily said "Eff it, it's just a $75 dog that can easily be replaced rather than put out the vet expenses"...point being, some peoples' snakes are there dogs or cats. I don't necessarily share that sentiment for my snakes, but I get it. And yes, my dog did have to wait a couple days before I could get her pain relief, and even several more days till the surgery could be done...so she did absorb her share of suffering(cruel me :rolleyes:). I can only hope everyone else isn't so "kind and understanding" in your times of need...

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

I'm going to go against the flow of the current here and say I'm rather appalled and embarrassed by all the forum "know it alls". For anyone to recommend that someone put down their pet without knowing exactly what the issue is is ignorance of the highest level. Snakes are resilient animals, and a broken jaw in a snake(if that's the issue) can be healed. If the owner has the time, resources, and will to pursue that route, to save their pet, then it's on them, and I for one support them. If the snake has to wait a couple days to make a final decision, the owner is completely in their right to wait. The part in bold might actually be the most ridiculous statement of the entire thread. My dog had to have an ACL repaired a couple years ago...and she's just a plain Jane, average shelter mutt that cost me a total of $75. I could have easily said "Eff it, it's just a $75 dog that can easily be replaced rather than put out the vet expenses"...point being, some peoples' snakes are there dogs or cats. I don't necessarily share that sentiment for my snakes, but I get it. And yes, my dog did have to wait a couple days before I could get her pain relief, and even several more days till the surgery could be done...so she did absorb her share of suffering(cruel me :rolleyes:). I can only hope everyone else isn't so "kind and understanding" in your times of need...

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Thank you. I'm glad someone finally said something

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

I'm going to go against the flow of the current here and say I'm rather appalled and embarrassed by all the forum "know it alls". For anyone to recommend that someone put down their pet without knowing exactly what the issue is is ignorance of the highest level. Snakes are resilient animals, and a broken jaw in a snake(if that's the issue) can be healed. If the owner has the time, resources, and will to pursue that route, to save their pet, then it's on them, and I for one support them. If the snake has to wait a couple days to make a final decision, the owner is completely in their right to wait. The part in bold might actually be the most ridiculous statement of the entire thread. My dog had to have an ACL repaired a couple years ago...and she's just a plain Jane, average shelter mutt that cost me a total of $75. I could have easily said "Eff it, it's just a $75 dog that can easily be replaced rather than put out the vet expenses"...point being, some peoples' snakes are there dogs or cats. I don't necessarily share that sentiment for my snakes, but I get it. And yes, my dog did have to wait a couple days before I could get her pain relief, and even several more days till the surgery could be done...so she did absorb her share of suffering(cruel me :rolleyes:). I can only hope everyone else isn't so "kind and understanding" in your times of need...

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Thanks for lumping all the "know it alls" together. I suggested she do something before Wednesday, not kill it. Seeing as how we really don't know the snakes real condition...


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RobNJ. I agree that there are circumstances where yes you will spend more than the worth of the animal because of sentimental reasons. I've spent over 2000 on a cat that I got for free as a kitten. And yes I can agree that since I have never seen this snake, that my OPINION of what to do may not be the right one. The OP asked for help. Help comes in all shapes and sizes. From what I've heard and read in this post, the snake needs some kind of assistance soon. My OPINION is that it should be put down or dealt with immediately. And that's all it is, my opinion.


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Originally Posted by interloc

RobNJ. I agree that there are circumstances where yes you will spend more than the worth of the animal because of sentimental reasons. I've spent over 2000 on a cat that I got for free as a kitten. And yes I can agree that since I have never seen this snake, that my OPINION of what to do may not be the right one. The OP asked for help. Help comes in all shapes and sizes. From what I've heard and read in this post, the snake needs some kind of assistance soon. My OPINION is that it should be put down or dealt with immediately. And that's all it is, my opinion.


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Beautifully said :gj:

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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

Thanks for lumping all the "know it alls" together. I suggested she do something before Wednesday, not kill it. Seeing as how we really don't know the snakes real condition...


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Should have said that "I'm going to go against the GENERAL flow of the current"..of course there were some exceptions...I was just rolling with the generally negative vibe of this thread.

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Originally Posted by interloc

RobNJ. I agree that there are circumstances where yes you will spend more than the worth of the animal because of sentimental reasons. I've spent over 2000 on a cat that I got for free as a kitten. And yes I can agree that since I have never seen this snake, that my OPINION of what to do may not be the right one. The OP asked for help. Help comes in all shapes and sizes. From what I've heard and read in this post, the snake needs some kind of assistance soon. My OPINION is that it should be put down or dealt with immediately. And that's all it is, my opinion.


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Going to the vet Wednesday was soon, now going tomorrow is sooner...sucks it can't be earlier, but it is what it is. To blindly suggest that someone put their pet down without even any basis of knowledge is foolishness, in my opinion.

Use neosporin to put on the wound until you can get to a vet. Quarentine him/her and do not bother her exept to put some neosporin on the wound. How big is the hole on the back of the neck?

Good luck!


PS. email dr. mas, He is best exotic vet in washington (where I live)

This is my opinion, and I'm sure someone's gonna have something to say about it, but I agree with interloc. It is your responsibility as a pet owner to make sure your pet is comfortable, safe, and cared for at all times. Whether that means getting immediate help or putting the animal down, no one has the right to let a living thing suffer for any reason. I certainly wouldn't want to be lying around suffering while my family is trying to decide what to do with me because there aren't any doctors around.

Poor snake :( Hope he can pull through... they can be tough.. the snake is moving more correct? The drive to survive is strong obviously. Pain and suffering sucks yes but I've seen people with cancer fight for their lives even if the outcome is poor. I know its not exactly snake related. these snakes probably really want to live, grow, reproduce only natural probably going to try doing with whatever willpower left to carry on

..Can I just say that it's close to impossible to find a vet on a Sunday, let alone one late in the evening?

Had an emergency last April on a Sunday. It was 'round 11am when we started making calls. Took 4 hours and countless phone calls until we were able to get a hold of someone.

Everyone is saying to put the animal down. If you're not able to find a vet, that means doing it yourself, and I really doubt that most people here would be able to do it themselves.

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Originally Posted by Raptor

..Can I just say that it's close to impossible to find a vet on a Sunday, let alone one late in the evening?

Had an emergency last April on a Sunday. It was 'round 11am when we started making calls. Took 4 hours and countless phone calls until we were able to get a hold of someone.

Everyone is saying to put the animal down. If you're not able to find a vet, that means doing it yourself, and I really doubt that most people here would be able to do it themselves.

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Apparently just finding a vet was not the problem. Finding a vet that's a herp specialist was.

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Originally Posted by sho220

Apparently just finding a vet was not the problem. Finding a vet that's a herp specialist was.

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A lot of vets won't touch animals they don't specialize in or have knowledge dealing with. Once tried to find a vet that had knowledge about goats. I ended up being ping ponged between four different vets before finally ending up with the one I started with.

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Originally Posted by The Ball Pythonn

Use neosporin to put on the wound until you can get to a vet. Quarentine him/her and do not bother her exept to put some neosporin on the wound. How big is the hole on the back of the neck?

Good luck!


PS. email dr. mas, He is best exotic vet in washington (where I live)

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No, no no!
Don't use neosporin or any oil based product. It will turn the scales to mush.

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Originally Posted by Bobbafett

No, no no!
Don't use neosporin or any oil based product. It will turn the scales to mush.

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I've used it before, but it was only on a very small rat bite. Didn't notice anything adverse. Have you personally had that happen when using it? I've never heard of that. Only that you don't use Neosporin, or any other antibiotic that has pain reliever in it. Just curious. Thanks!

I'll have to find it again. I saw Aaron mention it

Page one of Lesson For All thread:

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Originally Posted by The Serpent Merchant

no ointments as anything oil based can actually do more damage than good.

I would put him on paper towel substrate and keep his tub hospital clean (chlorhixidine or F10 work great for this and are safer than diluted bleach)

Soak him daily (or twice daily) in a betadine bath (water temperature in the mid 80's)

as long as you keep the wounds clean and infection away they should heal on their own

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Originally Posted by Bobbafett

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Thanks! Good info to know. :salute:

I would argue that deciding an animal is suffering needlessly, and deciding that some pain is worth it for survival are two directions of the same decision. There are people strongly sided on both sides, but no one can tell us what the snake wants. When a person takes an animal into their control, it is their responsibility to make this decision on their pet's behalf. No one can claim to know that any animal WANTS to survive any more than they can claim it WANTS to be put out of its misery. I suppose my main point, although I will admit it my have been poorly phrased the first time, is that this decision requires active participation and responsibility from the animal's owner.

Any update?

Updates?!

and she's gone forever.. lost in the wind, never to be heard from again.

Creepin, probably. I know I can't be the only one who wants to know if the animal is getting treatment (assuming they didn't decide to put it down, which it sounds like) and how it is doing

I still think it was a troll thread.

If not... Then I hope the snake was put out of its pain and suffering and lessons were learned.

Well after reading this thread, I will be looking for a vet and knowing where they're at and a number to reach them. This thread opened my eyes to not knowing where my nearest vet is that specializes in snakes is. /lesson learned.

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Originally Posted by Valley

Well after reading this thread, I will be looking for a vet and knowing where they're at and a number to reach them. This thread opened my eyes to not knowing where my nearest vet is that specializes in snakes is. /lesson learned.

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Glad the thread was helpful to someone!

It does highlight the importance of having a vet BEFORE needing the vet. Even if you don't go in for regular check ups, you should know what vets will treat your snakes and the best numbers to reach them at.

How often do you do checkups with vets? If everything appears fine yearly?

If everything is fine no need to go. Unless it's a new aquisition and you want parasite tests or something

There's a word that some of you seem ignorant about.

Fact.

www.dictionary.com

I haven't seen ONE single fact in this thread that came from the op and precious few from anyone else.

All in all, pretty sad.

Coming from me, that should make some of you feel stupid and some of you feel sad and some of you feel both. I'll leave it up to you to sort that up, but please, familiarize yourself with the word of the day.

FACT.

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Originally Posted by Valley

How often do you do checkups with vets? If everything appears fine yearly?

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I like to at least meet with the vet (even if I don't bring the animal in), just to get established and get into the system. But for the most part, as long as there is no other reason to go, I keep the animals home. Less stress for them, less expense for me.

If this is real, my best advice would be to have your son sign up for the special olympics.

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Originally Posted by MrBubblyDrink

If this is real, my best advice would be to have your son sign up for the special olympics.

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I thought this site was all about helping people out that don't know what they're doing. That seems a bit harsh..

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Originally Posted by sorraia

I like to at least meet with the vet (even if I don't bring the animal in), just to get established and get into the system. But for the most part, as long as there is no other reason to go, I keep the animals home. Less stress for them, less expense for me.

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Ok that's what I thought, but now I just need to find a good vet in case something does happen. Being in the San Diego area, I'm sure a quick google search will do the trick. Thanks for clearing that up.

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Originally Posted by Valley

Ok that's what I thought, but now I just need to find a good vet in case something does happen. Being in the San Diego area, I'm sure a quick google search will do the trick. Thanks for clearing that up.

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No need to search! I have one for you. I'm north of you, but a friend with snakes gave me this reference, said this guy is "the best".

Thomas H. Boyer, DVM, DABVP reptile & amphibian practice.
9888 carmel mountian road, suite F
san diego, ca 92129 (858) 484-3490


Go back to page 4 in this thread and you can see the full list of vets I found. Some others are in San Diego too.

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Originally Posted by sorraia

No need to search! I have one for you. I'm north of you, but a friend with snakes gave me this reference, said this guy is "the best".

Thomas H. Boyer, DVM, DABVP reptile & amphibian practice.
9888 carmel mountian road, suite F
san diego, ca 92129 (858) 484-3490


Go back to page 4 in this thread and you can see the full list of vets I found. Some others are in San Diego too.

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Thanks for the info! Better to have a recommended/trusted vet. Only about a 40ish minute drive. A little farther than I'd like, but if its a reliable place that's where I'd rather go.

It's times like these I realize how lucky I am ._. I have a vet within walking distance of my house.

It was the same place my parents used to take out cat before she passed and I was surprised to find that they also have a specialized herp vet on staff too.

It's people like Mr.Bubbly that give this site a bad rap.That was not funny at all .

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Originally Posted by Marc from CT

It's people like Mr.Bubbly that give this site a bad rap.That was not funny at all .

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On the contrary. This site not only does not have a bad rap, it's rep is one of not encouraging that type of behavior. Sure, it's allowed on occasion, appropriate on occasion, but by no means tolerated on every occasion.

Besides you, who says this site gets a bad rap?

Not gonna play the name game ,only called out Mr.Bubbly because of what he said about this guys son. was he only playin ? not sure, but from someone who has delt with special needs kids i was pissed.

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Originally Posted by Marc from CT

Not gonna play the name game ,only called out Mr.Bubbly because of what he said about this guys son. was he only playin ? not sure, but from someone who has delt with special needs kids i was pissed.

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So, you make a statement, refuse to back it up, THEN go all noble and 'won't play'? You started the game, you're in it. Defend who you will, but be prepared to do more than flap your gums or, maybe, keep them pressed firmly together until your anger no longer clouds your better judgement.

Who should have went by their better judgement, Marc, or MrBubbly? Either way, I don't think it was called for, and in no way is it going to help the OP or anyone, for that matter. What happened to if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all? Obviously the OP was not well educated on the care of their snakes, and they came here for help. Telling them to put their son in the special olympics has nothing to do with snakes, and will benefit no one except MrBubbly. We should be offering advice to these people so they don't do this again, not driving them away so they can be ignorant and unknowingly abuse their animals.

See, I think you're misunderstanding me, I wasn't trying to help, unless someone here knows how to TEACH common sense, there is no way to help somebody THAT ignorant, I was simply trying to be insulting, in this case I believe it's deserved.

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See, I think you're misunderstanding me, I wasn't trying to help, unless someone here knows how to TEACH common sense, there is no way to help somebody THAT ignorant, I was simply trying to be insulting, in this case I believe it's deserved.

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I for one appreciate the honesty and not trying to switch your tone :confuzd: It's refreshing regardless of the exact subject matter

The amount of bad info on how to care for snakes out there is sad. Repticon had a post about keeping snakes together on face book today here's the screen shots of two pageshttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/12/ezu5ybe4.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/12/3yjynyba.jpg ok three sorryhttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/12/hatu9ehy.jpg things like this all over Facebook help nothing sadly

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The amount of bad info on how to care for snakes out there is sad. Repticon had a post about keeping snakes together on face book today here's the screen shots of two pageshttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/12/ezu5ybe4.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/12/3yjynyba.jpg ok three sorryhttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/12/hatu9ehy.jpg things like this all over Facebook help nothing sadly

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See the dead horse? See me beating the dead horse? It can be done, has been done, is being done. Snakes cohab fine if you're of minimal intelligence and not prone to lemming love.

Just because YOU don't do something doesn't make it either wrong or bad.

It's all in how you raise them then? Lmao!!!!!

By that reasoning, I'm thinking to save some space, we're gonna just keep our leopard geko's in the same tank as our asian water monitor, wth they'll be fine, after all, they're all lizards .......right?

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Just because YOU don't do something doesn't make it either wrong or bad.

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I'm usually told the things I *do* are wrong or bad. On an unrelated note, I really feel like "sexual predator" is kind of a negative moniker to put on someone. Glad I got that off my chest.


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Originally Posted by Flikky

I for one appreciate the honesty and not trying to switch your tone :confuzd: It's refreshing regardless of the exact subject matter

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Flikky, I have been called (numerous times) "honest to a fault". I'm not EVER a back-peddler.

Uh... I think you'd have to run that by Pookie and Brandan... Good luck with that.

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