HELP!!!bp's lost in the mail what are the chances??

actually snakes have come thru the post office, along with many other animals. some offices are more strict than others, some give better care and attention to animals than others. either way when shipping live animals it is STRONGLY recommended that it is shipped EXPRESS MAIL with clear markings on the box of whats inside and what care is needed. like i said most offices will try their best to accomidate that. now why yours stopped with tracking might be a number of things, weather, traffic, overload at that facility, depending on the type of shipping it may only require a scan at arrival unit and delivered scan, maybe in your case that label cant be read (which is quite often) or scanned, or it got misdirected (which also happens). which is why its recommended express mail. express and registered mail are the most secure mail there is. either way i hope your new additions get you safely.

Well I dunno. All I know is they have strict guidelines that say NO snakes, but some other animals are permitted.

Good luck and hope they get there ok.

Ok, here's what the law says:

If you RECEIVE the snakes, KNOWING they were mailed to you in an improperly marked package, you ARE breaking the Lacey Act law. And the fines are very high if you are caught. It's not only the shipper who is cited, but also the receiver.

Your only recourse to avoid becoming an accomplice is to reject the package when it arrives. But of course, no compassionate person would do such a thing, because the animals would most likely die as a result of it.

This is how these bad shippers keep going on the way they are--they make their buyers into accomplices. Anyone who signs for and accepts such a package cannot make a complaint, because they themselves are in violation of the law.

This is obviously a very BIG problem with the Lacey Act, but at the moment, that is the way things are.

And I'm sorry, but no one who ships a snake through USPS is a good guy. Maybe they were once, but this behavior pretty much eliminates it. That's like saying 'oh, this guy deliberately sent me a dead snake once, but that was just one incident, he's always been a good guy to deal with'. REALLY???

But this is even worse. This is turning his customer into a criminal, as well as risking the lives of the animals the customer paid for. How is this the behavior of a GOOD guy?

yes they were mailed overnight express and were guaranteed to be here by noon today. that did not happen, tracking info stopped last night, and nobody can find the package. the thought of these snakes curled up all cold in somewarehouse is making me sick though i just hope to hell they made it out of vt because today is like the first actual chilly day. I know it's nov but i'm still wearing shorts out but this was to be the last thing i ordered untill the spring. i still have my fingers crossed it makes it here tom. and they are still alive and well. i just hope your right and they wont confiscate it. I mean what would they do w/ the snakes if they did?

The snakes would be sent to a local shelter or wildlife rescue.

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yes they were mailed overnight express and were guaranteed to be here by noon today. that did not happen, tracking info stopped last night, and nobody can find the package. the thought of these snakes curled up all cold in somewarehouse is making me sick though i just hope to hell they made it out of vt because today is like the first actual chilly day. I know it's nov but i'm still wearing shorts out but this was to be the last thing i ordered untill the spring. i still have my fingers crossed it makes it here tom. and they are still alive and well. i just hope your right and they wont confiscate it. I mean what would they do w/ the snakes if they did?

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well express mail is a high priority with us and if it didnt make it before noon then there is a good chance it was confiscated from one of the hubs. pm me with the scan and ill try and check it out for you

Hope they turn up for you!! The weather wouldn't worry me too much at this time but more the dehydration factors. If they are packaged well though you should be good. Keep us posted!!

Sorry to hear about your dad. :(

i mean that would still suck but atleast they'd be alive. i just hope they arrive tom. safe and sound. i've spent my entire day on the phone trying to track them down and looking up online if they can survive. i've made myself sicck with worry!!

I'm also sorry to hear that they were lost, but he made a HUGE mistake shipping them through USPS, since it IS a violation of the Lacey Act and both you and he could face stiff monetary fines as well as imprisonment if the USPS decided to prosecute if they realize he shipped snakes.

The likelyhood of that happening doesn't seem to be huge, as I've not heard of anyone prosecuted, however, the fact is that he just committed a felony by shipping them and you are equally liable if you accept them (if found out).

Good luck, I hope they arrive safely, but he's on my list of someone not to do business with now. Anyone in the "biz" as long as you say he's been knows this.

Ok i have read every single post. First off I agree with those who think we have an overly jumpy moderator who should not be bashing people so fast before reading entire posts. Whats that job description again??

As for the snakes.

The seller might be a "good guy" but you only need to make one HUGE mistake like this to ruin your reputation.

I could completely understand if he did ship via FedEx or UPS and the snakes were lost as long as he did reinburse you but he didnt. In fact he flat out lied to you, his high paying customer.

As a reputable breeder he should know the horrible consequences if he chose to take that shortcut.

Its not that he didnt know. Or he is new to the game. He knew and he lied. That is where the difference is. Does everyone really think that he should be allowed to keep his untarnished reputation even if he makes this right?

It would be one thing if he shipped FedEx like he said he did. Then lost the snakes and refunded the buyer. That would be what a responsible person would do. It would deserves respect and understanding that the mistake was not his fault & he did in fact make it right.

This is not what happened. He was fully aware its illegal to ship through the mail. This "good guy" of a breeder is a liar. That is bad business. Period.

You have my condolences and i seriously do hope the snakes arrive ok for you.

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Could the OP make a claim against USPS if they clearly state that snakes are unmailable materials?

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No - because doing so would be an admission of violation of the Lacey Act.

No, the buyer does NOT face prosecution unless she knowingly RECEIVES the snakes.

Hi,

I was only implying that this guy has a clean past and has not been noted for messing things up before. So I was only trying to ease the buyers mind that Dan should fix things and rectify any monetary loss. I am not or did not imply he should move on with a clean slate. Not at all. But lets wait and get the full story before Dan Foley is hung without a fair trial. You all know the drill. And thank you for addressing the administrator. I never got an apology.

Regards,
Bill

It happened to me. 13ft retic was shipped delta dash from miami fl to ftw tx. the crate was picked up by the wrong loading crew and put on a different airlines all together. At that point the tracking was no longer possible. 4 days later we received a call from mexico city warehouse. WTF! the shipper had already mailed me a check for a full refund as soon as he was imformed that the package was lost. this opened all kinds of legal actions when customs found out. It was december . I did finally recieve the crate 8 days later. she was like a piece of ice and started condensating when we pulled her out of the crate. the shipper told me to hold the check and if anything happens to the animal in the next 4 months cash it. theres alot more to this story but to much to list. maybe every thing will work out ok. The shipper should refund your money in full if things go bad!

wow that is such a predicament to be in. i mean how to u send these animals to their death by refusing to receive due to this mishap. :O i mean i just don't even think that's an option, but if he does break the cuffs out after i sign best believe i'm bolting to the reptile room, locking the door, and putting them in their nice warm cages first!!! i really don't want to be a convicted felon over this though either!!!

Oh I do agree with you. I do not believe he should be "hung" but I do not think this should go unannounced even if he does make it right should the snakes never be found..

I believe a situation like this would warrant a BOI rating which explains the situation. No heresay. Just truth.

If the snakes are not found and the seller refunds the buyer it should be posted that he did rectify the situation but it should be posted as to why there was a problem in the first place. Because I personally would not trust anyone to not make the same mistake twice.

You're right though. It all depends on the outcome. Its already out there at this point. We already know, so what happens from here on out is just a wait n see.

i just hate being on this end of the wait and see, and i know the snakes can't be happy with this. I just hope they are packaged up good and not all cold in some warehouse or worse out in a truck overnight. talk about a long, day and even longer night, just want tom. to come and hopefully they get here!!!

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No, the buyer does NOT face prosecution unless she knowingly RECEIVES the snakes.

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That's what I said - when receiving an animal shipped through USPS, the receiver is also culpable.

No idea who that breeder is at this point I don’t even care if he is a good guy either.

There is absolutely NO excuse to ship a snake via USPS, people like this make the rest of us look bad and right now it’s only adding fuel to the fire. We are fighting for our right to keep our animal and someone goes and does that……………..WTF


To the OP I hope your animal are delivered tomorrow and are safe and sound however I would not drop the issue and report the seller in question
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Regardless of any statement contained in this manual or the statements of any employee of the United States Postal Service®, the burden rests with the mailer to ensure that he or she has complied with the prescribed laws and regulations governing domestic and international mail, both those of the United States and those of the destination country. Full responsibility rests with the mailer to comply with all postal and nonpostal laws and regulations regarding the mailing of dangerous goods. Anyone who mails, or causes to be mailed, nonmailable or improperly packaged dangerous goods can be subject to legal penalties, including but not limited to those specified in Title 18 of the United States Code (18 U.S.C.).

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TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 83 - POSTAL SERVICE

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Sec. 1716D. Nonmailable injurious animals, plant pests, plants, and
illegally taken fish, wildlife, and plants

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A person who knowingly deposits for mailing or delivery, or
knowingly causes to be delivered by mail, according to the
direction thereon, or at any place at which it is directed to be
delivered by the person to whom it is addressed, anything that
section 3015 of title 39 declares to be nonmailable matter shall be
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Being a former mailman for the USPS I can tell you that Express Mail is ran 365 days a year and some Express Mail takes up to two days to deliver depending on where the package was shipped from and where you are.

he lives in vt and i live in richmond virginia. if it would take 2 days wouldn't they tell the shipper that and not guarantee it for noon today?? thanks.

wow insane im a mail carrier for the usps
and ive seen instances where express mail doesnt make it by the scheduled time
when its get accidentally re routed or whatnot
any package with a confirmation scan should have full details because its supposed to be scanned at every stop but of course sometimes barcodes are overlooked.
im really sorry youre going thru this i would be freaking out
i hope your snakes arrive tomorrow in good condition :)

oh yeah def. some freaking out. my sister and girlfriend said i was making them nervous while i waited earlier today, pacing the house on hold w/ usps and "running to the blinds like a crackhead everytime i heard a car" but the closer it got till 5 the more anxious i got. now i've pretty much just accepted theres nothing i can do but wait. I'm supposed to go out of town for a meeting on monday. if they aren't here tom. there's noooo way i'm goin anywhere. i just hope they are here tom. i will keep u all informed. again fingers crossed.

also to anybody that works at the post office. if it was confiscated, when i call all these ppl that look the info up on the computer wouldn't they see it was confiscated and tell me and not look for it andkeep giving me all these numbers to call?? thanks...

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Hey Big,

It was USPS not UPS.

Do you read these posts or just start mouthing off with no regard to the people posting.

Bill

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It depends, if it's before 8pm BG will read them...the later it gets..the lazier BG gets. This was early so BG must not have had his diet coke and didn't read it properly.

It must feel real good Billyboy(pound your chest a couple times) that you found something that you could pounce on The Man, The Myth, the Legend in his own mind about. Everyone give three cheers to Bill. He took on Big Gunns....and was right. He deserves three cookies and a bowl of rice crispies.:D:P

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oh yes, it was shipped via usps. I was told it was going out fedex on wed. I told him they never got here and he's frantically called as many numbers as i have, a lot of the ppl i talk to have allready talked to him and know the situation BUT can't find it. This is a disaster. As for getting my money back if they died wow i payed with 2 postal money orders so wtf. i just donn't even want to think about it cause it's gonna suck i'm sure i'm just hoping they arrive alive tom. ok

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USPS is illegal. You're going to jail. BG is turning you in for making a fool of him.:D

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Until the post below yours - no where have I seen the OP confirm that it was sent through USPS - and I've seen many a member say that their animals came through the "mail" when in fact it was shipped UPS and Fedex.

Might want to take it down a notch or two before doing exactly what you just accused BG of doing.

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Don't worry Rabs...Billyboy the Big Gunns crusher was right. It does say USPS. Big Gunns isn't gonna be able to sleep for weeks. He made a mistake.:tears: Someone please console BG....he's crushed.:tears::tears

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Just to clarify one more time - did they use the US Postal Service (US Mail) or did they ship via FedEx or UPS (brown)? Big difference between number 1 and the other two. You can also be in huge trouble violating the Lacey act if this guy shipped snakes through the USPS (government) vs. FedEx or UPS.

This post lists both USPS and FedEx

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Yep...he's going to the slammer. BG is gonna make sure of it.:D

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Who the heck did you buy them from?

The problem is, IF it is a carrier error, you are going to get no relief from USPS because the seller should not have shipped them that way.

I would call the Post Office and make it clear you had no idea they shipped via USPS, tell them there are live animals in the box, and see what they can do.

I see this ending badly...

Dave

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You must be outta your mind. BG can "see this ending badly"....if he takes your advice for sure. Don't even try and do that. If the shipper says you knew....you're done.

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Hi rabernet,

It appears to me it was in the original post, and was mentioned a time or two before his post about it being USPS....You have to read very carefully and I am sure it was an honest mistake on his part, but this guy goes around bullying up the site and I am tired of his unjustified remarks.

Regards,
Bill

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:tears::tears:Billyboy........Big Gunns...the BIG BAD BULLY.:D

Did Big Gunns ever mention to you one of his many original sayings Billy my boy?

"Arrogance only bothers the weak".:P:D

Sometimes it takes a while Billy my boy. Read BG's sig.

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I used to be on bp.net all the time but have given up on it lately.... but once BG started posted I am addicted again. I find him ammusing and I do not see why everyone can't stand him BG is my hero!!!

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:banana::banana::banana: BG's fans even come out of retirement for BG.:banana:

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if this isn't a reputable breeder you're dealing with...doesn't this sound like some sort of scam? 1800 seems like a LOT for a super pastel and a bumblebee...

and i'm even up in Canada, where the prices for BP morphs are MUCH higher priced

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Katia???? Just because someone sells their animals for more money than others it doesn't mean they're a scammer. All snakes are not created equal. Some people believe their snakes are worth more, and some people will pay more.

You should have found out their size before you said the word "scam" girl.

You're in the BG dog house again.:P:D

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He just does not read the replies and it drives me nuts. He contradicts himself and goes on and on about posts that he misreads. I am sure he is a great guy, but get your facts straight. Than post away.

Bill

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BG reads 90% of the threads, but sometimes when he sees people like you posting...BG admits...he skips it.:P After all...it only matter what BG says anyway.:D

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We all want to know who this guy is? He totally owes you every dime of your money back. Who would use USPS in the year 2009. I hate mailing a letter with the USPS.

Bill

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Billyboy is about to pounce all over this guy isn't he?

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Again,

I don't want to seem like this is an OK situation. This breeder basically sent cash to this individual and he just totally messed up. Please keep us informed. It is never about money with me and snakes. It always about the snakes. I hate to mention that USPS is basically useless on the weekends, well again when I think about they are just useless. The government needs to sell it off and keep working on health care....

Bill

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Bills ready to kill him again. He has the knife ready.:rage:

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Originally Posted by mechnut450

I hope that your snakes get to you alive and well. I would deffently keep them QT and a littler warmer to makes sure no RI develope. I would also be filing a complaint about being shipped next day and then not delivered until X days later and that the reptiles health was put at risk, to both the seller and TO the shipper once ( if ) you get them alive, if dead I be calling both and filing some sort of claim and demanding your fund back from the breeder due to his screw up.

As posted before I post this on fauna's site in the BOI forum and see if this guy done so before, and it then possible contacting kingsnake with the info and links as this does sound like a possible breach of their rules ( not got an account so not sure)..

I also think it shoul alway s be about the snakes over money.

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Originally Posted by Jessandyballs

Hey,

I did want to mention that it appears Dan is a good guy. He just made a big mistake and there is no way he is not going to fully take care of you. You did nothing wrong and I can't believe Dan will not rectify this situation fully.

Regards and Good Luck,
Bill

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Oh wait. Billyboy went to the BOI and found out the breeder is a good guy. Billy has put his weapons away. Darn it, BG wanted to see Bily whup somebody. Bg will have to wait until next time.:D

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Ok, here's what the law says:

If you RECEIVE the snakes, KNOWING they were mailed to you in an improperly marked package, you ARE breaking the Lacey Act law. And the fines are very high if you are caught. It's not only the shipper who is cited, but also the receiver.

Your only recourse to avoid becoming an accomplice is to reject the package when it arrives. But of course, no compassionate person would do such a thing, because the animals would most likely die as a result of it.

This is how these bad shippers keep going on the way they are--they make their buyers into accomplices. Anyone who signs for and accepts such a package cannot make a complaint, because they themselves are in violation of the law.

This is obviously a very BIG problem with the Lacey Act, but at the moment, that is the way things are.

And I'm sorry, but no one who ships a snake through USPS is a good guy. Maybe they were once, but this behavior pretty much eliminates it. That's like saying 'oh, this guy deliberately sent me a dead snake once, but that was just one incident, he's always been a good guy to deal with'. REALLY???

But this is even worse. This is turning his customer into a criminal, as well as risking the lives of the animals the customer paid for. How is this the behavior of a GOOD guy?

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BG was gonna say this also. You're both going to jail for many years for this...and BG is gonna make sure of it for making him make a mistake. :rofl:

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Ok i have read every single post. First off I agree with those who think we have an overly jumpy moderator who should not be bashing people so fast before reading entire posts. Whats that job description again??

As for the snakes.

The seller might be a "good guy" but you only need to make one HUGE mistake like this to ruin your reputation.

I could completely understand if he did ship via FedEx or UPS and the snakes were lost as long as he did reinburse you but he didnt. In fact he flat out lied to you, his high paying customer.

As a reputable breeder he should know the horrible consequences if he chose to take that shortcut.

Its not that he didnt know. Or he is new to the game. He knew and he lied. That is where the difference is. Does everyone really think that he should be allowed to keep his untarnished reputation even if he makes this right?

It would be one thing if he shipped FedEx like he said he did. Then lost the snakes and refunded the buyer. That would be what a responsible person would do. It would deserves respect and understanding that the mistake was not his fault & he did in fact make it right.

This is not what happened. He was fully aware its illegal to ship through the mail. This "good guy" of a breeder is a liar. That is bad business. Period.

You have my condolences and i seriously do hope the snakes arrive ok for you.

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Hey Draig...you stop picking on Rabby. Billyboy was bashing Big Gunns so he deserved a few lashes from the mods.:P

Let me say this also. We are ASSUMING that this seller said he was gonna ship it UPS or Fed X. Now he may have lied about how he was gonna ship it, or there may have been a misunderstanding of how he was gonna ship it. BG misunderstood...so if BG can make that mistake....any normal human can. We really need to hear from the shipper before saying he lied for sure.

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Hi,

I was only implying that this guy has a clean past and has not been noted for messing things up before. So I was only trying to ease the buyers mind that Dan should fix things and rectify any monetary loss. I am not or did not imply he should move on with a clean slate. Not at all. But lets wait and get the full story before Dan Foley is hung without a fair trial. You all know the drill. And thank you for addressing the administrator. I never got an apology.

Regards,
Bill

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Billyboy....the humanitarian. After you got him all worked up you decided to find out a leeetle info on the shipper and found out he was a good guy. THEN you decide to "ease the buyers mind". Maybe you should have found out about the shipper first Billyboy.:P:D

Would somebody please apologize to Billy...he's about to cry over here.:D

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No idea who that breeder is at this point I don’t even care if he is a good guy either.

There is absolutely NO excuse to ship a snake via USPS, people like this make the rest of us look bad and right now it’s only adding fuel to the fire. We are fighting for our right to keep our animal and someone goes and does that……………..WTF


To the OP I hope your animal are delivered tomorrow and are safe and sound however I would not drop the issue and report the seller in question
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Hey,

I was thinking the same but I am assuming they where proven breeders.

Bill

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Billyboy....you know what they say about people that "ASSume".:P:D


ps. Something tells Big Gunns it's gonna take just a leeetle bit longer before Billyboy(jessandyballs) is in the Big Gunns fan club.:rofl:

pps. Don't worry OP....BG would never turn yah in. If it was Billyboy though.:rofl::rofl:

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Katia???? Just because someone sells their animals for more money than others it doesn't mean they're a scammer. All snakes are not created equal. Some people believe their snakes are worth more, and some people will pay more.

You should have found out their size before you said the word "scam" girl.

You're in the BG dog house again.:P:D

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i definitely understand the concept of "you get what you pay for" being into the whole tattoo scene. the saying goes for anything. tattoos, snakes, photographic prints, even cars. yes i know, i should have found out the sizes before but, with snakes lost in transition i don't really think that's the most important thing here. i was just shocked to see them being so expensive because everytime i look at even proven adult breeder prices in US funds, they are almost always hundreds of dollars lower than CAN funds. snake morphs are not nearly as readily available up here.

the reason i was so quick to jump and say "SCAMMER" was because someone tried to pull a scam on me once, with a pied female. they pushed and pushed and pushed asking for my credit card # and that as soon as i give them my credit card # they would "ship the snake right away," and they were apparently from saudi arabia or something like that (i forget the specifics) and had a business name that i could find nowhere on the internet, and no information about.

i have never heard anyone being so pushy, so at that point i just told them i do not have a credit card, and they immediately said "ok thanks bye" in a foreign accent, and then hung up.

i see now it's clearly not a scam, but the transaction clearly didn't go the way it was supposed to. i'm still rooting for these snakes to turn up safe and alive!!

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i definitely understand the concept of "you get what you pay for" being into the whole tattoo scene. the saying goes for anything. tattoos, snakes, photographic prints, even cars. yes i know, i should have found out the sizes before but, with snakes lost in transition i don't really think that's the most important thing here. i was just shocked to see them being so expensive because everytime i look at even proven adult breeder prices in US funds, they are almost always hundreds of dollars lower than CAN funds. snake morphs are not nearly as readily available up here.

the reason i was so quick to jump and say "SCAMMER" was because someone tried to pull a scam on me once, with a pied female. they pushed and pushed and pushed asking for my credit card # and that as soon as i give them my credit card # they would "ship the snake right away," and they were apparently from saudi arabia or something like that (i forget the specifics) and had a business name that i could find nowhere on the internet, and no information about.

i have never heard anyone being so pushy, so at that point i just told them i do not have a credit card, and they immediately said "ok thanks bye" in a foreign accent, and then hung up.

i see now it's clearly not a scam, but the transaction clearly didn't go the way it was supposed to. i'm still rooting for these snakes to turn up safe and alive!!

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It's just one of Big Gunns many pet peev's. BG hates it when the "forum police" always ASSUME the worst of the breeder without knowing all the facts. You wouldn't like it if your name came up in a thread that had the word "scammer" in it now would you?:P

You're outta the dog house.:D....for now.

BG.. We are not assuming the shipper said he would ship via fedex or ups. You missed that part too. Read back. The poster said that the shipper stated he always ships via fedex. That means the shipper lied. If was obviously asked what shipping methods he uses. He told the buyer he always ships via fedex. He then shipped via us mail. Better hurry and drink your caffene.

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It depends, if it's before 8pm BG will read them...the later it gets..the lazier BG gets. This was early so BG must not have had his diet coke and didn't read it properly.

It must feel real good Billyboy(pound your chest a couple times) that you found something that you could pounce on The Man, The Myth, the Legend in his own mind about. Everyone give three cheers to Bill. He took on Big Gunns....and was right. He deserves three cookies and a bowl of rice crispies.:D:P




USPS is illegal. You're going to jail. BG is turning you in for making a fool of him.:D




Don't worry Rabs...Billyboy the Big Gunns crusher was right. It does say USPS. Big Gunns isn't gonna be able to sleep for weeks. He made a mistake.:tears: Someone please console BG....he's crushed.:tears::tears




Yep...he's going to the slammer. BG is gonna make sure of it.:D




You must be outta your mind. BG can "see this ending badly"....if he takes your advice for sure. Don't even try and do that. If the shipper says you knew....you're done.




:tears::tears:Billyboy........Big Gunns...the BIG BAD BULLY.:D

Did Big Gunns ever mention to you one of his many original sayings Billy my boy?

"Arrogance only bothers the weak".:P:D

Sometimes it takes a while Billy my boy. Read BG's sig.





:banana::banana::banana: BG's fans even come out of retirement for BG.:banana:



Katia???? Just because someone sells their animals for more money than others it doesn't mean they're a scammer. All snakes are not created equal. Some people believe their snakes are worth more, and some people will pay more.

You should have found out their size before you said the word "scam" girl.

You're in the BG dog house again.:P:D



BG reads 90% of the threads, but sometimes when he sees people like you posting...BG admits...he skips it.:P After all...it only matter what BG says anyway.:D






Billyboy is about to pounce all over this guy isn't he?



Bills ready to kill him again. He has the knife ready.:rage:



The guy is doomed.



Oh wait. Billyboy went to the BOI and found out the breeder is a good guy. Billy has put his weapons away. Darn it, BG wanted to see Bily whup somebody. Bg will have to wait until next time.:D




BG was gonna say this also. You're both going to jail for many years for this...and BG is gonna make sure of it for making him make a mistake. :rofl:




Hey Draig...you stop picking on Rabby. Billyboy was bashing Big Gunns so he deserved a few lashes from the mods.:P

Let me say this also. We are ASSUMING that this seller said he was gonna ship it UPS or Fed X. Now he may have lied about how he was gonna ship it, or there may have been a misunderstanding of how he was gonna ship it. BG misunderstood...so if BG can make that mistake....any normal human can. We really need to hear from the shipper before saying he lied for sure.



Billyboy....the humanitarian. After you got him all worked up you decided to find out a leeetle info on the shipper and found out he was a good guy. THEN you decide to "ease the buyers mind". Maybe you should have found out about the shipper first Billyboy.:P:D

Would somebody please apologize to Billy...he's about to cry over here.:D



Yep...he shouldn't have sent them USPS. Hopefully it all turns out good.



Billyboy....you know what they say about people that "ASSume".:P:D


ps. Something tells Big Gunns it's gonna take just a leeetle bit longer before Billyboy(jessandyballs) is in the Big Gunns fan club.:rofl:

pps. Don't worry OP....BG would never turn yah in. If it was Billyboy though.:rofl::rofl:

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I have a suggestion for you.Instead of this gibberish third person talk.Why dont you try to help someone instead of blabbering? :weirdface

OK UPDATE. it's 4:30 in the morning and i woke up and my laptop was right there on the night stand open so i clicked refresh not expecting anything new on the tracking screen and it popped back up on the radar at the shipping facility in richmond va where i live!!!!!!!i just jumped up all gung ho trying to call around and find it and go get it and yeah nothings open and nobody to talk to. guess i gotta just go back to bed on that note but they will be here in the morning OMG i hope they are ok pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase be ok now that they popped up. i'll let u know in a few more hours.....

Awesome--I hope you receive them, and they are fine!

Don't fret too much over the legal aspects--many folks have to receive unmarked shipments every year and have done so without issue. USPS doesn't know what's in there, unless you tell them. There have been Lacey Act stings in the past, but it's extraordinarily unlikely that your little shipment would be among them.

It's not right, but that's the way it is.

As for 'mistakes'. A mistake is "Oops, I forgot to enclose that piece of paperwork!".
When you use a completely different shipper than you said you would, and lie about the contents of the package on the label, that is not a 'mistake'. That is a crime.

i'd say more of a nightmare than mistake anyways. I'mjust soooo happy they are in richmond i just hope they are still alive i have faith. i can't go back to sleep now though just gonna keep callin every hour till somebody gets there to see if i can go pick it up. i'm sure time is of the essence at the moment. i will hopefully be telling u all they are alive and well here very very shortly :please: thanks for all the prayers and crossed fingers!!!

ok well somebody finally answered the phone. then i got the number that my express mail goes to. talked to a lady there that said that they don't pick there express mail up till 9:30 or 10 and there was no way the facility they get it from would release it to me. but that she would call me as soon as it is in her sight and keep it untill i get there. all i can do is cross my fingers but now thats atleast 3.5 more hours.

Good luck! I'm sorry you've been going through much more trauma than is necessary with this shipment. I just hope for your sake they arrive alive. I know I would never order from that breeder again if I went through this. I'm just glad you know where they are now, and I hope they get there alive and healthy.

oh man oh man... best of luck...best of luck ... ill be here waiting for pics of them..

bout an hour left. i'm just going up there at 9:30 let just hope they're pics of live snakes and not doa's!!!!

Oye I am sending you some good ju ju!!!

They ARE going to be fine....stressed out and wanting a drink or two...but they are fine!!!!!!

Ok...there is my good ju ju....I cannot wait to hear about how happy you are and how beautiful they are!!!

Glad they been found and hpoe for live snakes ( pieesed offtoo but hey they will let you know ) just don't open it at the post office, wait until your in the vechile with the heat blasting. Then spend the day watching them in QT and caughting up on your sleep.

So scary!!

If they were packed well, they still have a chance of being okay I would imagine. I've got my fingers crossed for your snakes!

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BG.. We are not assuming the shipper said he would ship via fedex or ups. You missed that part too. Read back. The poster said that the shipper stated he always ships via fedex. That means the shipper lied. If was obviously asked what shipping methods he uses. He told the buyer he always ships via fedex. He then shipped via us mail. Better hurry and drink your caffene.

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Big Gunns knows what he said. Bg was just saying that you are "assuming" that what the OP is saying is the 100% truth. BG isn't calling him a liar, so don't get your snake bags in a bunch. BG is just saying that maybe he misunderstood the shipper when he said how he was gonna ship.....and maybe he didn't. The shipper has not posted here. It always easy to believe one person when you only have their side of the story.

That being said...shipping USPS is a no no and the shipper deserves 50 BG lashes and some Brussels sprouts for breakfast (BG hates them).:D

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I have a suggestion for you.Instead of this gibberish third person talk.Why dont you try to help someone instead of blabbering? :weirdface

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BG is trying to help. Trying to help everyone.....CALM DOWN. We can all panic at 11am when the snakes are dead or they don't show today.

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OK UPDATE. it's 4:30 in the morning and i woke up and my laptop was right there on the night stand open so i clicked refresh not expecting anything new on the tracking screen and it popped back up on the radar at the shipping facility in richmond va where i live!!!!!!!i just jumped up all gung ho trying to call around and find it and go get it and yeah nothings open and nobody to talk to. guess i gotta just go back to bed on that note but they will be here in the morning OMG i hope they are ok pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase be ok now that they popped up. i'll let u know in a few more hours.....

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Whew(BG wipes brow). BG woke up early just to get an update.:D

BG does really hope they're OK.:gj:

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Awesome--I hope you receive them, and they are fine!

Don't fret too much over the legal aspects--many folks have to receive unmarked shipments every year and have done so without issue. USPS doesn't know what's in there, unless you tell them. There have been Lacey Act stings in the past, but it's extraordinarily unlikely that your little shipment would be among them.

It's not right, but that's the way it is.

As for 'mistakes'. A mistake is "Oops, I forgot to enclose that piece of paperwork!".
When you use a completely different shipper than you said you would, and lie about the contents of the package on the label, that is not a 'mistake'. That is a crime.

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It sure is a crime, and BG is on his way down there to film the ending to this big government "sting" operation.:D

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Good luck! I'm sorry you've been going through much more trauma than is necessary with this shipment. I just hope for your sake they arrive alive. I know I would never order from that breeder again if I went through this. I'm just glad you know where they are now, and I hope they get there alive and healthy.

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BG too.:gj:

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bout an hour left. i'm just going up there at 9:30 let just hope they're pics of live snakes and not doa's!!!!

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Hope you have your bail money ready.:D:D

BG's just kidding Shiffy....as ALWAYS. BG hopes your snakes are fine, and BG completely understands your nightmare. BG has had the same one a few times. Everyone that knows BG knows he hates to ship for this exact reason. BG will drive across the country to deliver a snake instead of shipping it if he has the time...and he's done just that.

Funny story about that. BG just drove to Cali. When BG saw Ozzy(ozzy boids) at Tinley he said. "I heard you were in Cali...you must have had a big deal to drive out there...I know you". BG laughed...Ozzy knows BG well.:rofl::rofl:

THEY ARE ALIVE!!!!!!!! AND beautiful!!!!! jusst put them away to warm up, they were a smooth 65degrees with the infared gun!!!! the male bee straight shot out the bag. the superpastel i was worried about but she is very much alive, just needed the car right in the heat home to warm up (yes i ripped it open in the parkinglot to check!!!!! heat blasting of coarse!! shoulda seen the look on the guy parked next to me's face when he saw me pull a snake out of the box lol) i did get straight flipped out on by the postal worker before she gave me the box too. box said keep at room temp, perishable, fragile, this side up and there was holes in the box. all of which might have saved there life but first thing she was uh u know what's in here, (look around to see if i'm bout to get tackled lol) was like yeah, and before i say anything the snapping began, lady was like "there something alive in that box, you can't mail live animals in there " i didn't go to tell her it was 2 pythons lol but i got my box and ran right to the car oooomg i couldn't even go back to sleep once i saw it scanned in richmond! i been up since 4:30 i will post some pics in a little while once they warm up but wooow thanks for all the survival stories over the night to give me hope!! not to mention the prayers and crossed fingers, something worked cause they are alive and look well, now to make sure they stay like that over the next couple of hours after there trip to god knows where when they disapeared for an extra day.

I have been following this nightmare all night, hoping for the best.
One big congratulations to you. Now we both can take a nap.
Looking forward to pictures.
Bill :salute:

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I have been following this nightmare all night, hoping for the best.
One big congratulations to you. Now we both can take a nap.
Looking forward to pictures.
Bill :salute:

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And so has Big Gunns and the rest of the world(following it). BP.net "world" anyway.:D

Big Gunns wishes he could take a "nap"...but BG is on his way to sign autographs for his millions of fans. If you're a smart one....and know where to go...you may be one of the lucky ones to actually meet Big Gunns in person.

If you love BG on line...you're 100% guaranteed(no money back of course) to love him even more in person. Now if you're one of the very few that still hate him....you're 99% guaranteed to love him after you meet him.(the 1% are just plain old wu$$ie$):D

If you have your GF or wife with you're probably not gonna go up and meet him once you see him though.....most men have an inferiority complex when it comes to BG and usual steer clear when with their girl.;):D Kinda true actually. BG loves it when he sees a guy with his girl and the guy grabs his girls hand when he sees BG coming.:rofl::rofl: Happens a lot.:D

Ohhhhh the life of BG. It can be rough sometimes being a "Legend in your own mind".;):D

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And so has Big Gunns and the rest of the world(following it). BP.net "world" anyway.:D

Big Gunns wishes he could take a "nap"...but BG is on his way to sign autographs for his millions of fans. If you're a smart one....and know where to go...you may be one of the lucky ones to actually meet Big Gunns in person.

If you love BG on line...you're 100% guaranteed(no money back of course) to love him even more in person. Now if you're one of the very few that still hate him....you're 99% guaranteed to love him after you meet him.(the 1% are just plain old wu$$ie$):D

If you have your GF or wife with you're probably not gonna go up and meet him once you see him though.....most men have an inferiority complex when it comes to BG and usual steer clear when with their girl.;):D Kinda true actually. BG loves it when he sees a guy with his girl and the guy grabs his girls hand when he sees BG coming.:rofl::rofl: Happens a lot.:D

Ohhhhh the life of BG. It can be rough sometimes being a "Legend in your own mind".;):D

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Damn, BG, as much as I would love to have your autograph to pin on my wall right above my monitor, I'll have to pass today.
I have way way too much work to do building snake cages so I can expand my collection.

I know, it is my loss but oh well, I'll have to catch ya next time. :salute:

Glad the finally got there and are alive that the great part. I would also let the shipper know you got them and that theywere late and that it could of gotten both in deep trouble shipping that way so he may need to consider a more realible shipping company in the future . I gotten packages later that gone to canada when they were only comping from florida to delaware and be tripping that why I use fedex or UPS (brown suits ) to ship anything important any more.

Yayayay!!! I'm so happy for you!!

Pics pics pics!! :D :D

Glad to hear that you had a happy ending!

I'm glad they made it! I think you owe us some pics of the famous couple... as soon as they're comfy, of course! :)

Where do animals go if they are "confiscated'' by the usps??

I'd like to hear from the shipper on this. This is a matter that he will have to defend--even though there is really no defending the purposeful misshipment of animals.

Shiffy~will you be posting a thread on the BOI?? I think that it's important that instances like these be brought to the full attention of everyone. Blackballing someone who practices these kinds of shipping habits should be the only recourse.


Very happy this turned out OK for you. Will be patiently waiting for pics :gj:

Very happy that this had a happy ending! Congrats!