Scaleless BP

[southb]

Old people wrinkles? Looks like a shaved body part to me lol
Forgive that last comment

[J.Vandegrift]

I'm probably gonna' get crushed for this, but here goes....

I would not breed this BP. Color morphs are one thing, but this is a serious defect. No different than an Albino born without eyes....don't see a lot of people lining up to make more of those. Now I know there's a school of thought that says all color morphs are defects as well, because they don't look like a Normal. Not a school of thought that I subscribe to, but I'm sure that arguemnt will be brought up.

To me a BP born without scales or heat pits is the same as a human born with flippers...it just ain't right.

Having said all that, I have no doubt someone will breed this little freak, provided it's not sterile (one can always hope), and people will line up to pay stupid amounts of money for them. To each their own...you won't have to stand in line behind me to buy one.

I wouldn't try to crush you for stating your opinion. I disagree with you but that's fine. I know this morph is probably not for everyone. Are you ok with people breeding Spiders?

[Sprinkles_Mum]

I dont know how i feel about spiders either >.< But do they actually know what causes it yet?

im just a bighippy >.<

[Bristen]

I'm not sure why everyone gets all upset with this... just to inform everyone, there are scaleless snakes already in some breeders' collections.. they are doing fine, breeding and producing babies... what does this mean? It means that a scaleless ball python is not likely going to be any different than other scaleless snakes... we are likely going to see animals thrive and reproduce, just like hairless animals and other scaleless reptiles... I can understand not liking them though, I can't stand to look at a hairless guinea pig - yuk! But I personally don't mind the look of this scaleless ball python... the derma ball was ugly in my opinion because it was "half and half" kinda thing...

anyways, just my opinion... and the debate goes on...

Regards,
Bristen.

[Oxylepy]

This is actually a good look at microevolution. It can still breed with a normal ball python, however the difference between it and a normal is glaringly obvious. This is no longer the same as a normal "morph" where the colours are different, this is actually beginning the divergence to an entirely new species. If kept in a different environment than is normal, something that more befits the scaleless nature of the snake, who knows what could come from the line (assuming all are kept in the same environment as the others and then inter bred with one another). Heck give it 200 years and 100 generations we may have an example of macroevolution.

^_^ Go go breeding programs.

[Beardedragon]

you just did.

Comment on the snake I mean, but im breaking that right now in a second

I'm not too sure see...
We are scaleless, and we get along fine.
Hairless rats get along fine.
Moles, with virtually no hair, survive fine..

The only thing that would need to be worried about is burning, which shouldn't happen at proper temperatures anyway. It would probably also be fed f/t.
If the animal is healthy, and doesn't have problems without scales, what is wrong with it?

People thought snakes were a 'freak of nature' when they first saw them, I mean come on... how many stories tell of the snake being evil? People tend to fear what they do not understand.

If this snake is not healthy, and cannot survive well and thrive in a proper environment, then I think it should never be bred or produced.
If not, I have no problem with it.

you shouldnt compare Mammals to reptiles

Me and my future wife are going to try and produce a skinless human.

Should be cool.

As long as they can live its ok to some people I guess.

The thing is, it just aint right.

Look at the scaleless Beardie, it has all sorts of problems with getting hurt. Why produce something that has a lesser chance at surviving?

[Bristen]

[...]Look at the scaleless Beardie, it has all sorts of problems with getting hurt. Why produce something that has a lesser chance at surviving?

perhaps this is true for the scaleless bearded dragon, I'm not at all aware of this particular animal... however, I haven't heard of this for scaleless snakes... has anyone? From what I gathered, scaleless snakes lived a rather normal "snake" life... was I wrong?

Regards,
Bristen.

[Beardedragon]

perhaps this is true for the scaleless bearded dragon, I'm not at all aware of this particular animal... however, I haven't heard of this for scaleless snakes... has anyone? From what I gathered, scaleless snakes lived a rather normal "snake" life... was I wrong?

Regards,
Bristen.

Im just using the beardie example that scaleless reptiles are less than normally hardy.

[azpythons]

This really isn't fair to the mites. I mean without scales.. where is there to hide? Ticks too. They just stand no chance.

I hate these snakes.

probably one good point of these snakes

[SGExotics]

i would think it would be very delicate without scales.

Its like the same type of concept of brians scaleless ratsnake... It might be delicate, not sure, kinda reminds me of what a crested gecko might feel like...