Genetic "flaws" associated with various morphs?

[covah]

I assume Randy was suggesting that his friend euthanized the snake because of the kinking, not the duck bill. I have had to euthanize two snakes because of deformities. I did not see any reason to take them to the vet. I feel that it is up to the breeder if the snake should be euthanized or not. I also feel that it is a responsibility of the breeder to euthanize snakes with severe deformities.

law must be differant in the usa, and i would rather give my vet the chance to see the reptile and advise me off what he would do, than think i am godlike and decide what lives and what dies. he said the snake had a cleft palate and his friend decided he may euthanise.
i once took a hatchling to my vet, myself expecting him to put her to sleep. i listened to his advice, followed it, and that snake is now a stunning 657gram royal. if i was prone to deciding who lived and who died, she might well have not been here today. as it is, it is not my right to euthanise and for that i am so glad.

[Lucas339]

i too would like to see the measurements. im not saying you are a liar either. but i just can't see the difference in the pics. ive looked at every link everyone has posted and i just can't see it.

is there a way you can post you measurements? and BTW that must be a fun job! do you pick where the missles actually go?

[Slim]

i too would like to see the measurements. im not saying you are a liar either. but i just can't see the difference in the pics. ive looked at every link everyone has posted and i just can't see it.

is there a way you can post you measurements? and BTW that must be a fun job! do you pick where the missles actually go?

I use a system called Socet Set GXP. It's pretty basic photogrametry, but if you want to read more about the tool, click the link:

http://www.socetgxp.com/docs/educati...ogrammetry.pdf

The system will work on everything from overhead Target photos to hand held images.

Yes, these days I pick out where weapons impact...when I was active, I guided them from the ground. It's not just a fun job, it the most fun you can have with your clothes on.

[Mike Cavanaugh]

My super cinny is perfect. You have to see solid colored balls in person sometimes their heads look weird without the pattern.

did you get that super from neil Golli?

(just curious!)

[RandyRemington]

The laws in the US are getting more European all the time. I used to work with a guy who left the UK so he could keep guns. Hopefully he'll be able to keep them the rest of his life and you'll also be able to keep pythons in the UK the rest of yours but with these trends who knows. If you can't humanly euthanize a suffering animal who is to say you can feed it humanely treated rodents?

He did ask my opinion on the kinked and platypus nosed super cinnamon and I recommended a wait and see but I don't know what he decided or if he took it to a vet. I did once hatch out a badly kinked corn snake and after it proved it could eat and defecate I took it to my vet for his opinion. It just so happens that my local vet is a published herp expert but I know that many don't have an experienced reptile vet available. He thought my corn snake moved like it was NOT in pain (just stiff). However, my kinked corn snake only lived about 6 years so I'm not sure the kinking didn't cause some sort of suffering after all.

[envy_ld50]

did you get that super from neil Golli?

(just curious!)

Yeah I got this guy from neil.

[covah]

The laws in the US are getting more European all the time. I used to work with a guy who left the UK so he could keep guns. Hopefully he'll be able to keep them the rest of his life and you'll also be able to keep pythons in the UK the rest of yours but with these trends who knows. If you can't humanly euthanize a suffering animal who is to say you can feed it humanely treated rodents?

He did ask my opinion on the kinked and platypus nosed super cinnamon and I recommended a wait and see but I don't know what he decided or if he took it to a vet. I did once hatch out a badly kinked corn snake and after it proved it could eat and defecate I took it to my vet for his opinion. It just so happens that my local vet is a published herp expert but I know that many don't have an experienced reptile vet available. He thought my corn snake moved like it was NOT in pain (just stiff). However, my kinked corn snake only lived about 6 years so I'm not sure the kinking didn't cause some sort of suffering after all.

oh we can euthanise. we have a special tool to do it! its called a vet. and my vet is highly specialised in exotics.

[iCandiBallPythons]

What an idiotic comment. You talk bad about BHB but recommend going with LLLReptile. Is LLL reptile even a breeder? I was always under the impression that they are a wholesaler. Since you mentioned it, what are some of the problems YOU have seen with BHB? I am honestly curious what kind of issues you have had with them.

I have to agree with you fully on this. People like BHB,RDR,VPI and many others have pinnacle animals and have done alot for the industry and how you could compare BHB to LLL is corny.

[iCandiBallPythons]

That super is hot bro

[FIEND_FO_LYFE]

i heard that, and its most likely false, but if you get a nice line carmel, like

1.1 Het Carmels, and they are say, VPI line...

is there a less chance they would kink for having a line carmel?

i know spiders spin and wobble, mine wobbles, not bad but still noticable...
she is still a great functioning snake, and she is a great eater :]

our pied eats like a champ too... ive never heard pieds were problem feeders...

and...
pearls are cool, IF THEYD SURVIVE...
and even if there was that rare occasion, that one does...
it will be the only one, and then your stuck with the one, and more and more people will try to breed, and fail... my .02


and is duck billing the only genetic thing with black pastels?
i heard its bad, if you have a black pastel, with a super in its past....