cinny's and black pastels

[Jerhart]

...it's kinda interesting to see how people tend to favor one over the other...I myself am a cinny guy...'I think' they have a cleaner looking pattern....love the animals in those link beardedragon

[Mike Cavanaugh]

well, I just got my first cinny tonight, and he is also the first one that I have seen in person. His unbeliveable light brown head, with almost completely faded out stripe, and black as the night eyes... He has without a doubt the most beautiful face I have ever seen on a snake. I am in love! If you haven't seen one of these things in person, you won't truely understand what I am talking about until you do.

I will try to get a good pic once he has had a week to settle in.... it is going to be near impossible I think though to get the camera to capture the real life color of his head.

[Mikkla]

Is it true that super cinnies is born with more head deformaties than the black pastels?

I just orderd 1.2 black pastels

[Jerhart]

Is it true that super cinnies is born with more head deformaties than the black pastels?

I just orderd 1.2 black pastels

I cant recal a super black pastel...I duno if they look the same as super cinnies....but ya, many super cinnies are born with the infamous duckbill...but not all...just like the wobbles in 'some spiders'...and how 'some' caramels come with kinks...'some' super cinnies have more of a duckbill snout...

[Beardedragon]

np with the links

Really with both, just get what you like. There is a small price difference and they both look great. If you see a great looking cinny, buy it! Same with the black pastel. Id also take a look at the combos, because both can turn out differently( but look at more than one of the same combo, some are much nicer than others)

I LOVE black back cinnys, as well as busy patterned Black pastels and because they are darker. If I didn't like the Black Patty so much I might have gotten a cinny instead of a Black

[spk329]

Did someone say Gary Liesens black pastels. Here is a cute little female I picked up from Gary

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Best,
Steve

[Bill Buchman]

I like both and am breeding both this season. I have both BHB and Graziani Cinnys -- I think nothing beats a terrific Graziani!! I have my prettiest girl paired with my Calico. My BHB's have had my Butter on them.

I work with Ian G. Black Pastels. My breeder male is "DEATH" and is making some pretty babies. I do like Gary's line as well -- nice pattern. Cinny's and Blacks each have their place.

[Bruce Whitehead]

Never seen the cinny/black-lesser before... really nice.

I like dark snakes, so prefer the blacks, and I *tend* to like the crosses they throw (pewters, streaks, bullets, supers)... but as noted depends on the selective breeding of the pastel pairing as well.

But I plan on getting both, but will look for different traits in each.

I like my blacks really dark, and my cinnies light, each is amazing in their own right, just depends on what you like... and as with any morph their is a huge variance within each... faded, blushed, flamed, and crispness of pattern.

Bruce

[Inferno]

i read it was super black pastels that got the deformitys???? well moreso than cinnys anyway

[Beardedragon]

i read it was super black pastels that got the deformitys???? well moreso than cinnys anyway

Take a look at this super cinnys bill

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...on-pastel.html

Im pretty sure that both Blacks and cinnys produce super Ducklings.