central nerve problem

[Teja]

well, the only thing that comes close [but not even 1% as severe] is when my JCP female missed her rat and got a mouthfull of bedding, she was trying to get it out of her mouth and kept twisting her head like that... but again, it wasnt as bad as that...

have you had a chance to get her mouth open? to be sure nothing is caught in there?

not an option. because we already check this. he is not choaking, it's neurological.
the trahea is ok, the breathing is ok.

in his poo was nothing wrong on analysis...

[ChicaPiton519]

mmhmm, its strange that he is doing that on both sides tho... that is what you said correct?

[Teja]

mmhmm, its strange that he is doing that on both sides tho... that is what you said correct?

actually, on the right side is more often. strainge is that snake is not all the time like this. few hours may seem totally normal.

if he dies, i would put hid brain on analysis...
this his disorder is insaine

[Schlyne]

This may not be financially feasible, and it may not be as useful anyway. Have they checked him for a possible brain/spinal tumor?

I know Adam had a ball python die that had tumors everywhere..and showed no symptoms...

Regardless, I guess I would treat this as if it were IBD just to be safe.

Unfortunately it may be better to euthanize the snake in the long run, but I would keep trying to find out what happened first.

I know somebody else who had a boa that was exposed to a high dose of pesticide and started showing IBD like symptoms. The boa ended up having several neurological problems (from the pesticide) and had to be put down after about a year after the incident.

A reptile expo or reptile exposition is basically a reptile show.

[dr del]

Hi,

If I remember correctly there are also some parasites that cause neurological symptoms.

Also does this breeder produce spiders? Is it possible this is a spider sibling with bad spinning?

But if you had it 9 days with no symptoms then rapid onset I'd be tempted to look at overheating first or chemical/food related poisoning.


dr del

[Teja]

on the blood test there was no sign of IBD. but this is not 100%.

he was not able to get into touch with pesticide or cleaning products.

dr. del,
the breeder does not have spiders. I have it, but they are healthy.
what do you mean with ''overheating''? I am sorry but my first language is not English

My vet said that he need antibiotics again.
Now I am giving him antibiotics and water from the ''tube''.
I'm so scared that he may die of stress :-x

thanks for your answers

[dr del]

Hi Teja,


I have read that exposure to temperatures over 100f for a few hours can cause these symptoms. By that I mean nowhere he could get away from those temperatures.

I did not mean that he caught anything from the spiders it is just that the spider morph is associated with a neurological condition known as "spinning".

This has also been seen in other animals so I wondered if it could simply be that - but the vet is the one who has examined the animal and there are plenty of examples listed of it being a bacterial or viral problem as well.

Can you think of anything you were doing / changing just before this started?

I hope he pulls through for you.


dr del

[darkangel]

OMG... Can that thing even eat? I'm sorry but that's just terrible. I hope you have it euthanized very soon if there aren't any significant changes.

[Teja]

Can you think of anything you were doing / changing just before this started?

not really.
I got him on monday. I took him his first mouse on monday. Than next wednsday unexpected this behaviour. Trough the night.


p.s. I can't find anything about that ''spinning'' on the web.

[Teja]

darkangel,
no unfortunatly he can't even eat.
My vet said that we will feed him.
I am very sad because I have no optimism anymore, and I am also thinking about putting him down if it's not better.

is spinning the same like wobbler sindrome or are they different things?

beside, can anyone tell me, I bought this snake, I have had it for 11 days since he get this ''disorder''. What can I do if he dies or put him down?
Is there any posibility, that the breeder is responsible for this?

thank you all