Keeping mice in the same room as my snake?

[redshepherd]

I am seriously so done with you people right now. Not even reading what I am saying and being attacked for doing something different than the way you do things. Taking a post that was NEVER about this and blowing it up. I never asked for opinions, advise, or any answers. I wanted to hear your STORIES ABOUT RODANTS AND MICE LIVING IN THE SAME ROOM and in the process shared my story. You people are the most uptight hypocritical people trying to "help" people by attacking them. Grow up. I'm done with all you guys and this whole site.

I'm gonna be frank, if this person thinks these posts are "attacking", they're in for a helluva surprise in the ole facebook groups. LOL

[Zincubus]

My last post seems to have disappeared

Anyways I just suggested that we all move on from this heated debate and draw a line under things .. it's so easy to be misled by something you read or by something you're told ..

I reckon he will take on board all the suggestions and simply learn from it .


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[MR Snakes]

I havnt heard if this technique, its pretty cool. It's like knocking before entering lol.

And you said the above. Just where are you doing your research? This is one of the first things I read, and have read several times about when feeding a snake and helping it to differentiate.

[artgecko]

I've kept rats in the same room as my snakes without any issues, just make sure you wash your hands with soap and water after handling the rodents (before picking up the snake or cleaning the enclosure) and you'll be fine.

For feeder size, you want to be feeding rodents about the same girth as the widest part of the BP's body. If the mice are starting to look a little smaller than this, you'll want to try and upgrade to rats. it can be hard to switch them over to rats if they get hooked on mice, so it may take some work on your part and patience to get there. Scenting the rats with dirty mouse bedding will help.

You've already heard feedback on moving to feed, so I won't go over already tredded ground. I will only say that everyone on this forum was extremely helpful to me when I started and that many of the people that have commented on your thread are successful breeders with tens of ball pythons, so they know their stuff. Many articles you find on the interent are out-dated. If the info you found about moving to feed came from a chain petstore or generic animal website, you may want to reconsider.

I used to move to feed when I started out too, but soon found it unnecessary. I now keep larger snakes (boas, carpet, BRB, etc.) which have very strong feeding responses slamming the glass of their cages when they know it is feeding night... I feed all of them in their enclosures and have no issues handling. I also use hook / tap training so that they know the difference between feeding and handling time. If you want to consider switching to feeding in his enclosure, I would suggest you look into hook training (if you are concerned about accidental feeding bites).

[Kenzieburgess]

Okay, I'm wrong and your right. I'm the worst person in the world because I read something else during my research and was mislead to have a different opinion. I dont have as much experience as you guys so I should just shut my mouth and not speak. I'm sorry. Can you guys leave me alone now?

[55fingers]

And you said the above. Just where are you doing your research? This is one of the first things I read, and have read several times about when feeding a snake and helping it to differentiate.

Calm down, it's good that they admit they didn't know something and accept it which is part of doing research.

The thing is this all is not just directed at them, but at lurkers and new keepers who read threads like this for input and to research.




Anyway I agree that we should just leave this now. We've given advice, it's their choice on whether or not they want to go ahead with it. It's not like their snake is in any immediate danger. Let's hope they learn and expand on their husbandry just as I'm sure we all constantly are.

[redshepherd]

Okay, I'm wrong and your right. I'm the worst person in the world because I read something else during my research and was mislead to have a different opinion. I dont have as much experience as you guys so I should just shut my mouth and not speak. I'm sorry. Can you guys leave me alone now?

Nobody said to shut your mouth and not speak and that you're the worst person! People bring it up, since it's actually also related to your first few posts about your ball python being hissy/defensive and also about refusing f/t, in terms of husbandry. People look at husbandry and care as a whole, since it's connected- everything is put together to make a healthy, happy snake.

Snakes that are moved to a tub to feed have a very hard time switching to f/t prey (due to the reasons listed).

It's just when proper husbandry is repeatedly argued against by someone who just got one snake, of course people will want you to have correct care rather than incorrect.

[Kenzieburgess]

I've kept rats in the same room as my snakes without any issues, just make sure you wash your hands with soap and water after handling the rodents (before picking up the snake or cleaning the enclosure) and you'll be fine.

For feeder size, you want to be feeding rodents about the same girth as the widest part of the BP's body. If the mice are starting to look a little smaller than this, you'll want to try and upgrade to rats. it can be hard to switch them over to rats if they get hooked on mice, so it may take some work on your part and patience to get there. Scenting the rats with dirty mouse bedding will help.

You've already heard feedback on moving to feed, so I won't go over already tredded ground. I will only say that everyone on this forum was extremely helpful to me when I started and that many of the people that have commented on your thread are successful breeders with tens of ball pythons, so they know their stuff. Many articles you find on the interent are out-dated. If the info you found about moving to feed came from a chain petstore or generic animal website, you may want to reconsider.

I used to move to feed when I started out too, but soon found it unnecessary. I now keep larger snakes (boas, carpet, BRB, etc.) which have very strong feeding responses slamming the glass of their cages when they know it is feeding night... I feed all of them in their enclosures and have no issues handling. I also use hook / tap training so that they know the difference between feeding and handling time. If you want to consider switching to feeding in his enclosure, I would suggest you look into hook training (if you are concerned about accidental feeding bites).

Thank you for the kind response, I was feeding fuzzies cause that's what they where feeding him when I bought him and fuzzies where about the same size as his girth (I was going by that too) he was a little guy and as now grown a bit as I upgraded his size 3 weeks ago and wanting to upgrade again, but he is kind of in a weird in between size where a hopper is kind of small, but the next size up is kind of big, and two hoppers seems like alot. i asked a seperate question about it a the same time I posted this that suggested switching to rat fuzzies. I was planning on looking into. And thank you for not bringing up the feeding situation. I'm really done with that right now. Lol

[MR Snakes]

For one thing when I came to this forum not long ago, I figured I was about ready to move forward with my purchase. But after a very short time I realized I was miles away from where I thought I was. That's why you see me all over different forums trying to soak up everything I can. And yes, even though I will be pretty well informed when I buy, I will make mistakes. And be thankful for the community here that cares enough about the little noodles that the mistake won't last for long!

[Zincubus]

Okay, I'm wrong and your right. I'm the worst person in the world because I read something else during my research and was mislead to have a different opinion. I dont have as much experience as you guys so I should just shut my mouth and not speak. I'm sorry. Can you guys leave me alone now?

Best just forget all this and move on ..

Get into a more positive frame of mind and things will be just fine ..

I'm speaking from experience as I also had a shaky start but I feel like one of the family now


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