I have officially been bitten by the snake bug!

[JodanOrNoDan]

Derail a thread? Me? Never. LOL

[Craiga 01453]

Derail a thread? Me? Never. LOL

Hmmmm, yeah, me neither....

[MissterDog]

I was speaking hypothetically since you were making the argument that not matching the animal's native environment in the best way possible was due to the limitations of assigned human needs. You used human comfort several times as a comparison for a snake's needs in your discussion with El-Ziggy and yes, using prisoners exercises to illustrate handling still counts as a comparison otherwise why use that analogy? You often, including previous posts, used the terms "bioactive" and "best care' together hence the given impression that bioative was the standard for "best possible care". It seemed relative to the conversation since your primary argument here has been priority in mimicking the wild. However I see you were taking everything literally and personally so I apologize.


So no, I was not accusing you of anything as I made an effort to use the terms "You give the impression", "you could" "implying" "comes across as." to avoid accusation. No need to get defensive and talk down by suggesting I'm somehow subconsciously inferior by projecting myself onto you. I was open to having a discussion with you but if this is how you want the last word then it's best to put you on ignore and move on before the thread keeps getting derailed.


Have a great day!

I dont know where you are finding this sense of superiority or achievement. Mayhaps you are confusing it with your own inferiority?
I havent sneered at anyone.
That argument is rediculous as cats are domesticated and domesticated cats are terrible for the environment.
Also i did not compare snakes to prisoners. I used that to illustrate that the 10-20 minutes of handling a few days a week does nothing for small cage quarters.

Did i say that? Did i say a palace or bioactive haven was necessary? No, in fact what i said was, the biggest and closest to the natural environment as you can afford should be your concern if you are getting a pet and not breeding stock.
You do realize this includes giving them hides, waterdishes, correct temps and humidities, correct day/night periods, etc etc? I adressed this. I also mentioned breeder racks and did not talk down or negatively about them.
I havent talked down to or negatively to anyone. It seems you are inferring an awful lot.

[Ax01]

So... I have had my ball python for about a month and a half-ish. He's doing amazing and I love him to death. (Ate F/T for me for the first time last night!) I am planning on keeping him in a T10 which is ordered and being built. So I was thinking to myself that I'd like to get another T10 and split it up for two more snakes. I was thinking a hognose and am hoping to get suggestions for another species that would fit nicely in half of a T10. Any thoughts?

Figured I would mention this... when I got Damian and started posting on this forum I was told I would get more snakes. I doubted all of you but turns you guys were right (as usual). Lol. Thanks for reading!

it's official! u are now in phase 2:

[Apiratenamedjohn]

Yeah, but breeding for me to make money was something that came later. I wanted to make REL's just because I wanted one. I was doing behavioral "experiments" with spider bps. They taught me a lot about BP's in general. At some point I was breeding just to break even on my hobby. Rats alone cost me more a month than most car payments. Now breeding makes me a little extra cash. I am pretty much at my limit with the number of animals I have at this time at least until I retire.

I don't spot clean. I am on paper. It gets thrown away and everything is disinfected every time.

Having to do with the wobble or what kind of experiments? I am intrigued now.

[Apiratenamedjohn]

I was speaking hypothetically since you were making the argument that not matching the animal's native environment in the best way possible was due to the limitations of assigned human needs. You used human comfort several times as a comparison for a snake's needs in your discussion with El-Ziggy and yes, using prisoners exercises to illustrate handling still counts as a comparison otherwise why use that analogy? You often, including previous posts, used the terms "bioactive" and "best care' together hence the given impression that bioative was the standard for "best possible care". It seemed relative to the conversation since your primary argument here has been priority in mimicking the wild. However I see you were taking everything literally and personally so I apologize.


So no, I was not accusing you of anything as I made an effort to use the terms "You give the impression", "you could" "implying" "comes across as." to avoid accusation. No need to get defensive and talk down by suggesting I'm somehow subconsciously inferior by projecting myself onto you. I was open to having a discussion with you but if this is how you want the last word then it's best to put you on ignore and move on before the thread keeps getting derailed.


Have a great day!

Yes i made that argument and it is 100% true. Human needs get in the way of us immitating nature with 100% accuracy.
Analogies are used to illustrate a point by comparison. Not saying that one is the exact same as the other. But that they share commonalities enough to get the point acrossed. It seems like you got the point but are wanting to argue semantics.

As bioactive is closer to nature than aspen. i would say that it is a step in the right direction in comparison for pet ownership. But i did not disparage aspen. Everything has a time and place.

Hahaha seriously? Yeah my accused "sense of superiority and achievement" is so much different from asking if you were confusing it with a sense of inferiority on your own part. Lol call the kettle black again. Bahaha

And it seems like i am having decent discussions with others... just not you.