My bp died!

[hmba2211]

I thank u for that. As I stated a couple days ago, I know where I went wrong (I was in the middle of a move too) with their tank and putting them together. It gets irritating when ppl don't read what I'm asking about. Lots of u on here actually tried helping w an answer but some tried to tell me what I'm doing by loving them is wrong. Wrong. It's not like I handled them all day every day, when I did they'd chill w me n snuggle. Everyone knows their animals. U know when it's time to put em back lol I will say this too, everyone, and I do mean everyone, has been a great help! If anyone else wants to comment plz just keep it at the answer to what may have happened bc they've had a similar incident... I know all I need to do n what I needed to do differently. Thanks guys

[hmba2211]

Alright thank u. Bye now.

[zina10]

"Bash on"?

Who has bashed you? Do you think people have nothing better to do then sit here and type out a long reply in order to tick you off or bash you?

You DID say you were worried that the second snake would also get sick , as it is now "not eating", as well. So yes, that was part of your post. And health/dying has a lot to do with husbandry/keeping. Oftentimes it is DIRECTLY related.

So how is one to answer your question without pointing out the possible factors with husbandry? We have no crystal ball. Bloating/limpness can be a symptom of a myriad of issues. Sometimes they are simply a symptom of "dying". Without some detective work and finding some parallels no-one can even begin to make a guess.

So yes, your original question was answered as best as people could. On top of that it was pointed out what you could to to avoid the other snake going downhill.

You've had those snakes what...2 month or so? One is dead and one refusing food. Rather then telling people that they are "wrong" and you know you animals and what they like and dislike you could appreciate everyone's caring and time to answer you and maybe just think about the suggestions.

The first thing ANY experienced Ball Python keeper will tell you is to REDUCE stress if your BP refuses food. And to stop handling until they are eating well. Any handling. Despite what you read into their behavior.

You have 30+ year to cuddle them, once they are healthy, thriving and eating.

No-one posts these replies just to tick someone off or to "bash them". Most people just care about the animals.

But do as you please.

[Kcl]

If the necropsy was inconclusive, unfortunately no one will ever be able to pinpoint an exact cause of death and as such, people can only point out issues that need fixed. As Zina noted, bloating and limpness are signs that can present due to a variety of issues. One of the possibilities is fluid build-up due to organ failure. Organ failure itself can be due to a number of issues including an advanced bacterial infection, some viral infections, dehydration, or a number of other issues. Obstructions should have been noted in a necropsy, so it likely was not that.

Stress itself can kill - it's something we generally think of as a feeling, but it is a set of hormonal changes and as Zina noted, it lowers the immune response, and it also has a number of other repercussions on all systems even including the pulmonary system.

At the end of the day, the person who is best situated to provide any sort of answer on what it may or may not have been that killed your snake is the examining vet. The vet will know exactly what was and was not tested and looked for during the necropsy and what bacteria and viruses were tested for from cultures. If you specifically ask, they may be willing to provide their most likely suspected guesses on it even though the results are such that you will not know. With the inconclusive necropsy results I received, I personally tossed anything and everything that came in contact with the snake as viral was still very much on the table since they cannot culture for everything. There are also microscopic parasites out there that bleach doesn't kill.

[Godzilla78]

I am lately obsessed with husbandry and dropping money left and right to fine tune my snakes environment. Even since I decided to branch out beyond one snake and collect some as well as breed in the future, I have an entire room dedicated to the little buggers. I run a space heater, a humidifier, a heater snake rack with perfectly sized tubs and hides, and perfectly measured temps with a top thermometer, . Just bought a new thermostat, built a hatchling rack for future additions... it’s like a never ending expensive science project, but keeping my snakes in top health is THAT important to me. Not only are they my beloved pets, they are an investment, as I’ve spent quite a bit not only on the animals themselves, but on the high-tech husbandry tools. Not to mention, they are worth even more financially when you consider the breeding potential.
The fact is, they NEED a very fine-tuned environment to thrive, as it’s difficult to recreate a termite mound in Northern Africa forests, in the average human home!

sorry for your loss, but fearing death of my pets is precisely why I spend so much energy, time and money on my snakes husbandry. Not to mention hundrends of hours reading and watching research videos.

[hmba2211]

Hey zina, calm urself... I said what I said about bashing bc someone else assumed I was getting defensive and being bashed. U don't need to comment on this post anymore. I have thanked every one of u. Now ur just getting silly. I understand everything any of u have said!!!!!!!! Let's just calm down and nobody needs to get so ridiculous. I definitely made a mistake to ask anyone anything. I haven't even commented back on my husbandry bc I know from what everyone has said, I've had done n going on perfectly the entire time. The humidity on one side of my large tank was more, I have double thermostats and humidity on both sides. Dexter was in his hide, safe n healthy. The only problem I know I could have possibly created was keeping him n Vega in the same tank. Let's keep our hormones on the low n have a civil discussion... I have said multiple times and lastly will say again, THANK YOU. unless u have an answer please stop commenting back. There's no fight or argument. Clearly I was dumb to ask anything but I still appreciate the ppl that helped me out! Vega ate so she's good. Thank u

[rufretic]

Hey zina, calm urself... I said what I said about bashing bc someone else assumed I was getting defensive and being bashed. U don't need to comment on this post anymore. I have thanked every one of u. Now ur just getting silly. I understand everything any of u have said!!!!!!!! Let's just calm down and nobody needs to get so ridiculous. I definitely made a mistake to ask anyone anything. I haven't even commented back on my husbandry bc I know from what everyone has said, I've had done n going on perfectly the entire time. The humidity on one side of my large tank was more, I have double thermostats and humidity on both sides. Dexter was in his hide, safe n healthy. The only problem I know I could have possibly created was keeping him n Vega in the same tank. Let's keep our hormones on the low n have a civil discussion... I have said multiple times and lastly will say again, THANK YOU. unless u have an answer please stop commenting back. There's no fight or argument. Clearly I was dumb to ask anything but I still appreciate the ppl that helped me out! Vega ate so she's good. Thank u

It is never dumb to ask a question. You only went wrong in the way you reacted because you didn't like the answers but these answers were given to you based on what is known and given by people with way more experience then you. So instead of getting defensive, you should just read, learn and say thank you. You may never know why your pet died but at least you can learn from the responses and hopefully avoid the same fate for your other snake. Good luck.

[zina10]

Bash on if u feel lol

My hormones are just fine, and perhaps you should take your own advice! You are not able to offend me, however you may try. This place is not one for drama, you will find that out soon enough.

And if you post on a public forum, you can not and may not dictate or forbid replies. That is the moderators job

[Plasma]

Hey zina, calm urself... I said what I said about bashing bc someone else assumed I was getting defensive and being bashed. U don't need to comment on this post anymore. I have thanked every one of u. Now ur just getting silly. I understand everything any of u have said!!!!!!!! Let's just calm down and nobody needs to get so ridiculous. I definitely made a mistake to ask anyone anything. I haven't even commented back on my husbandry bc I know from what everyone has said, I've had done n going on perfectly the entire time. The humidity on one side of my large tank was more, I have double thermostats and humidity on both sides. Dexter was in his hide, safe n healthy. The only problem I know I could have possibly created was keeping him n Vega in the same tank. Let's keep our hormones on the low n have a civil discussion... I have said multiple times and lastly will say again, THANK YOU. unless u have an answer please stop commenting back. There's no fight or argument. Clearly I was dumb to ask anything but I still appreciate the ppl that helped me out! Vega ate so she's good. Thank u

Everyone is just trying to help and they're right to ask about your husbandry. A lot of things can be caused with improper care. Nobody is saying you're doing everything wrong but no one knows if you're doing things right either without pictures or anything. You said you wanted to find out what could have caused it? Well explaining your setup is a good start. trust these people because they've had tons of experience and we all make mistakes. So maybe what you think is right really isn't...I'm not saying that to attack you at all but people make mistakes. Who here hasnt? So we admit them and we fix them and in the end we learn from them. People want to help but they can't if you don't give them enough information

[Eric Alan]

Breathe in. Breathe out. Then reply.