What i realized..

[oopslala]

I've been keeping up with all of these threads, and I feel there are quite a lot of misunderstandings. I can almost guarantee everything said in all of the threads were not meant as an attack on you, or your ability to keep snakes.

First off, everyone here is not trying to insult you or talk you down or anything. Everything said is for the well being of the snakes you have, and the snakes you may breed.

From what I can tell, you mean well for your snakes. You love keeping snakes, and you're addicted to the hobby and want to expand your knowledge, and your collection of snakes. Honestly I think we all want to do that, hell I don't even have my first snake shipped to me yet because it's too cold and I'm already spending quite a lot of my time searching the web, looking at possible combos to breed to him in time. But, the conditions have to be right, the money has to be right and it all has to fall into place before I will take the leap, if I even do.

With that being said, I feel you're in a similar boat that I am. Obviously, you're quite a bit more experienced in snake keeping than I am, seeing as you have decent sized snakes, that if i recall correctly you've had for a while. None of the people here are telling you that you should never breed, that you should never expand your collection, in fact I'm sure everyone here will support you and help you with any questions you may have. Hence why they're so many thoughts and time being invested into your threads.

I believe everyone here is just trying to tell you to get your setup ready (and done correctly), figure out what you're going to do with your snakes once you've bred them, have a rack for the babies, an incubator, rats/mice for them, reliable breeders that always have rats/mice, etc.. All of the above stated really boil down to one thing, money.

All in all, I'm just trying to say that you should get a plan of what you're going to do before you jump into breeding and end up with 20 more snakes with no where to put them and no where to sell them to.

Hopefully this helps clarify what may seem to come off as a personal attack on you.

[Lizardlicks]

Uh, you immediate aggressiveness, and tendency to read blunt truth as an attack are what's putting you in the red. Your responses to people who are trying to help you get the basic husbandry of your original snakes right, and to stop and THINK about what you're trying to accomplish are what is affecting your current and future reputation both on this particular board, and in the community in general. The snakes are your pets, yes, that's true for most of us here, even the big names. We all got started because we LOVE these animals, they are important to us, and bring joy into our lives. We want nothing but the best for all snakes, and the members here strive everyday to take THEIR TIME and THEIR HARD EARNED KNOWLEDGE and give it to people FOR FREE in order to accomplish that. What you do with it is up to you, but throwing it back in our faces isn't winning you any friends.

And you're wrong about this not being a hobby. The second you decided to breed your animals and sell the offspring, your pets became the backbone of your HOBBY BUSINESS. If you want that to succeed, you need to take time and actually listen to what the people here have to say, even if you don't like the way they say it. If some one is tossing you shade, suck it up and be the bigger person. Not being petty and vindictive, acting with grace and humility, these things will go the extra mile and a half when it comes time to build a costumer base and find your babies new homes.

Now for the tough love. It took you three separate threads to finally absorb ONE piece of advice here, then you make this thread with the attitude of a teenager who finally cleaned his room. You want a cookie for that? Too bad. It wasn't even the housing or husbandry advice you listened to, you know, the part that will keep your snakes alive, happy and healthy for the nearly 30 years of their lifespan? A yet you're still making plans to add more snakes, to make those snakes reproduce, then hatch the eggs and house the babies. Every time someone as tried to offer solutions for quick and easy corrections, you come back complaining it's too much space or money. But you want to add more snakes? If you can't keep the ones you have well, how do you expect to get anywhere? It's not only a matter of the health and safety of your animals, current and future, but also the fact that snakes simply won't reproduce if conditions aren't right. They aren't mammals, you can't throw a boy and a girl together and wait for the girl to go into heat then keep her in a warm closet with a blanket. This stuff is finicky work that takes a dedication of time, space, learning, and yes, at least some money. If you want people to drop the money thing, maybe you should stop throwing at us how poor and hard strapped you are every time someone suggests a husbandry fix.

See, the thing is, we aren't out to get you. We don't want to see you or your snakes fail. We don't want to see you toss a lot of time and cash down the drain, but if you have a hard time believing that everyone here has responded with nothing but the most honest intention of helping you, no matter how bluntly put the advice, then I'm not sure there is any hope for you. So. Go on then. Do whatever it is you think is best, however you think you can best do it. But if you want to fly in the face of combined decades of experience or common sense, don't be surprised if failing is exactly what you do, leaving both you and your animals in an even worse situation to boot.

[Citrus]

Lets all feed the troll.......


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[DVirginiana]

No one here is attacking you, but asking questions and making suggestions about your husbandry is important. If you don't have the space or money to keep the animals a certain way, they just won't breed for you. If you don't have the means to do that right now, then ppl are advising you not to get another snake for breeding purposes, because snakes kept in the wrong conditions won't breed.
Everyone taking the time to comment wants you to have happy, healthy snakes and babies that will sell easily and make you a profit when you breed. Sometimes people can be blunt, but if you can look past that and see what they're saying, you'll find you've been given some very good advice.

[PitOnTheProwl]

that's the reason i'm so aggressive when it comes to replies posted putting the way i take care of my PETS.. PIT is NOT living my life so his comments seem to be hitting me hard (PAUSE) because he doesn't know anything about the way my life is..... I'm ASKING you NICELY stay away from any post that says ECechoHO as the starter....

NO participation is needed from YOU, your the reason my REP keeps going in the RED....

Again, I don't need your permission to post in any thread.
Don't need to live your life because I have my own problems to deal with, I only respond to the PHOTOS YOU POSTED.
You are not special, again I give advice when needed and what you do with it or how you take it is up to you.
You can ask me however you want BUT I am not the reason for your rep getting knocked down, your actions and the community make that happen.
I give good rep for people being productive here and negative rep for people that cause drama that what the -/+ is for. The little triangle is also to report posts, there are checks and balances here. The only ones that can have a direct affect on you are the Admins (names in red).

[Lizardlicks]

Lets all feed the troll.......


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"Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument"

Dude's not a troll, he's just got a bad combination of attitude, pride, and lack of knowledge.

[Joe balls]

you have two $25 dollar snakes at best. Likely both male that have lived in the same poor conditions for 5 years. No eggs yet because you never make them happy or comfortable or like I said they were prob both male when you got them. Do every body a favor go sell them! Anything else you do is at a loss from just a cost of feeding point. The people that keep helping you and you threaten would really be better off holding tounge so this troll will find a new bridge to hang out under.
there is this other forum the orignal poster could try if he doesn't like the answers he's been given here. Bush league try asking a group of people that don't know you from here and see they will treat you ignorance the same.
ITS NOT US, IT YOU. Get a clue and I hope to see you at a show sometime

[bdevo]

Lets all feed the troll.......


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This is my thoughts exactly. This thread has to be one big level/troll.


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[Montypython696]

Has anyone else noticed that the OP hasn't posted anything in a few weeks?

Can't we just let these headache inducing threads die?

[LivingwithBalls]

Huh. I just read the entire thread... I'm voting troll?


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