What i realized..

[Foxton]

See now you flipping ish, how do YOU know i'm not an animal lover myself, and want to produce the best of the best..?? Your first two sentences brought some HOSTILITY to this thread in which im NOT comfortable with, SO if you have nothing nice to say there's other threads that might want your opinion on Ball-Pythons.net....

You at one point mentioned that the way you were being told you were wrong, was a way for those people to get killed. (link) So please don't act like you're catching a lot of hostility.

Have you corrected your husbandry on your current snakes or are they still living together? Planning to once you get a steady job? Only thing you've indicated with this thread was that you realized breeding normals and a new mystery het snake together aren't going to win you the ball python lottery. Which was kind of the tip of the iceberg for problems that were identified in the several threads that you made.

[PitOnTheProwl]

See now you flipping ish, how do YOU know i'm not an animal lover myself, and want to produce the best of the best..?? Your first two sentences brought some HOSTILITY to this thread in which im NOT comfortable with, SO if you have nothing nice to say there's other threads that might want your opinion on Ball-Pythons.net....

You cant be that dense???
All the information given is about the animals.
Its not always about you so drop the drama party, you have played that out in several threads already.
To answer the questiin that you asked...... I have seen the photos YOU posted and your husbandry.
The photos speak for themselves IF you want the truth.
So now reread my post, think about it and try to absorb some of the i formation that many of us have tried to pass on to you.

[Eric Alan]

See now you flipping ish, how do YOU know i'm not an animal lover myself, and want to produce the best of the best..?? Your first two sentences brought some HOSTILITY to this thread in which im NOT comfortable with, SO if you have nothing nice to say there's other threads that might want your opinion on Ball-Pythons.net....

Sensitive much? Nothing in that post was a direct attack towards you. Where does it say you're not an animal lover? Where does it say you don't want to produce the best? If you felt hostility, it was because you went looking for it. Remember - you are posting on a public forum where everyone can, and will, give you their 2 cents worth. If you aren't willing to read everyone's opinion, there's no reason to ask for feedback.

[Felidae]

Try to relax Echo, and be a bit less aggressively defensive. What I see every post of Pit is just for the well being of your animals. Look behind it.. It's not a war. If someone honest, cannot be always gentle.

If you accept a little help.. (Without offense and jokes...)
1. Save space, energy and give a calm place for your snakes
look in here for make a rack. Easier than you think : http://ball-pythons.net/forums/forum...?125-DIY-Forum That's the first step. You can start tomorrow. You'll get here every help what you need.

2. Be realistic.
See for how many snakes you can give place and food. Count with the future hatchlings too. You cannot sell them right now out of the egg. And of course the holdbacks...


3. Make a plan and stick with.
Try to google up different morphs and see what you like really. Try to count out how much time you need to !make! that morph, and what base morphs you need for it. If you want a recessive project, you need much more time, but you can work out near your co-dom project(s). Still be realistic. Must learn to walk before you run.

4. If your setup and plans are okay,
find a good breeder and get a (or some) young female(s). Maybe a double (triple..) gene co-dom (or say....incomplete dominant) male what you can use with your normal female soon.

(4b) Build a small incubator and a small hatchling rack if you start to breed them and your new male make your female to go...

5. Patience.
Raise up your females, and start to search males for them. They are cheaper then females and they can breed much younger then them.
Here you can think about a bigger incubator and hatchling rack.

And read, learn, read, learn, ask, learn, read (x1000)
Everything will coming so easy and good if you build from the base.

[ECechoHO]

You have to remember our first thoughts and posts are for the animals well being. I dont care how you take it, they are the first and most important thing. <------- these are the two sentences was what i was talking about you saying that like i abuse my snakes or something, you can't/shouldn't judge the way i got things setup because erryybody doesn't have it like YOU do, there are some less financial people in the world.. now to sir Eric the way he worded that reply that "OUR first thoughts go out for the animals well being and they are the first and most important thing" like i don't LOVE any pet i might have, made that post HOSTILE..how would anybody feel if they keep getting told from OLD posts that they were not taking care of their pets/animals correctly...i understand this is a public forum and if you don't have anything positive to post then move on to the next thread..i ain't no snitch but i'm really going to start reporting people that post replies that pertain to the first post of the thread....

[ECechoHO]

thanks... understand you but i really don't have that much space, living in a studio apt...thanks for the POSITIVE response..

Try to relax Echo, and be a bit less aggressively defensive. What I see every post of Pit is just for the well being of your animals. Look behind it.. It's not a war. If someone honest, cannot be always gentle.

If you accept a little help.. (Without offense and jokes...)
1. Save space, energy and give a calm place for your snakes
look in here for make a rack. Easier than you think : http://ball-pythons.net/forums/forum...?125-DIY-Forum That's the first step. You can start tomorrow. You'll get here every help what you need.

2. Be realistic.
See for how many snakes you can give place and food. Count with the future hatchlings too. You cannot sell them right now out of the egg. And of course the holdbacks...


3. Make a plan and stick with.
Try to google up different morphs and see what you like really. Try to count out how much time you need to !make! that morph, and what base morphs you need for it. If you want a recessive project, you need much more time, but you can work out near your co-dom project(s). Still be realistic. Must learn to walk before you run.

4. If your setup and plans are okay,
find a good breeder and get a (or some) young female(s). Maybe a double (triple..) gene co-dom (or say....incomplete dominant) male what you can use with your normal female soon.

(4b) Build a small incubator and a small hatchling rack if you start to breed them and your new male make your female to go...

5. Patience.
Raise up your females, and start to search males for them. They are cheaper then females and they can breed much younger then them.
Here you can think about a bigger incubator and hatchling rack.

And read, learn, read, learn, ask, learn, read (x1000)
Everything will coming so easy and good if you build from the base.

[PitOnTheProwl]

You have to remember our first thoughts and posts are for the animals well being. I dont care how you take it, they are the first and most important thing. <------- these are the two sentences was what i was talking about you saying that like i abuse my snakes or something, you can't/shouldn't judge the way i got things setup because erryybody doesn't have it like YOU do, there are some less financial people in the world.. now to sir Eric the way he worded that reply that "OUR first thoughts go out for the animals well being and they are the first and most important thing" like i don't LOVE any pet i might have, made that post HOSTILE..how would anybody feel if they keep getting told from OLD posts that they were not taking care of their pets/animals correctly...i understand this is a public forum and if you don't have anything positive to post then move on to the next thread..i ain't no snitch but i'm really going to start reporting people that post replies that pertain to the first post of the thread....

If I though you abused them I have no problem tell you so don't put words into my mouth and please quit with the money thing.
Many of us started at the bottom, you chose a hobby that can cost as little or as much as you make it.
SMH...............

[carbn8]

@ECechoHO, I've been following this tread and read other a you have posted and I'm glad your starting to listen to the advice with an open mind. With that said, remember the people in this hobby range anywhere from just hobbyist, with just a few animals, to big name breeders. They can make or break you and your reputation. Not everyone is out to get you, but if you pride keeps get in the way they will be.

@Pitontheprowl, I'll read anything that you have posted in, you tell it how it is. I just hope I'm never on the receiving end.

[Felidae]

... i really don't have that much space...

If you don't have space for a 5 shelf rack, where you want to put the hatchlings? and the 3 terrariums for your adults? .zip?

[ECechoHO]

alright Pit, if you know how i'm going to react, why do you keep posting to my threads, there's millions of users that i can get the real talk from without, your type of negative comments.. just cuz your a mod doesn't mean you have to comment..Like YOU SAID/AGREED to, we all had to start from SOMEWHERE so WHY are you pushing me soooo bad, you say stop talking about money but to provide for them money is the KEY factor..I don't post that much but i know your the reason why my REP keeps going in the red, so PLEASE stay away from my threads..