from what i understand all spider x spider pairings have turned out lethal, so i believe that is what he is saying when he was tlaking about the spider gene but i could be wrong. as for the pin x pin i believe it has a "super" form it just takes to much time/effort to prove it out that it isnt worth it in the eyes of most breeders. like a preiveous post stated the time it would take to prove it out for sure you could be well on your way into 4 gene morphs resseive projects ect.. so although having a "super" pin would be great in a collection as most of us would love to have one i doubt many of us would take the time to prove one out. i know i would'nt i would just roll the dice on "normal" pins like every one else. i dont understand why you guys are taking it so personally if he wants to take the time to prove out a pin then let him who knows he could come back 3 years from now and throw it all back in your face