Possible super pinstripes

[snakesRkewl]

There is a super pin and in time I will prove it. A super pin looks like a pin but produces all pins no normals. By saying there is no super pin is just ignorant.

I do not believe there is a super form of a pinstripe either, and if there is there is really nothing to be gained from it, especially financially.
I'm not knocking Thomas trying but like many people do not believe the pinstripe or spider is anything but a dominant trait.

ignorant huh

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There is a super pin and in time I will prove it. A super pin looks like a pin but produces all pins no normals. By saying there is no super pin is just ignorant.

I do not believe there is a super form of a pinstripe either, and if there is there is really nothing to be gained from it, especially financially.
I'm not knocking Thomas trying but like many people do not believe the pinstripe or spider is anything but a dominant trait.

ignorant huh

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There is a super pin and in time I will prove it. A super pin looks like a pin but produces all pins no normals. By saying there is no super pin is just ignorant.

I do not believe there is a super form of a pinstripe either, and if there is there is really nothing to be gained from it, especially financially.
I'm not knocking Thomas trying but like many people do not believe the pinstripe or spider is anything but a dominant trait.

ignorant huh

[Simplex]

Pins are dominant there is no super...there just nice lookin pins imo...

Conventionally no, theres no super but its all in how we phrase it.
However:

Codoms
A super lesser is expressed as a bel.. By having both lesser genes expressed. One from mom and one from dad.
Thus co dom. Its het form (lesser) shows a different phenotype.

Doms
A het pin is expressed visually as a pin. Where only 1 gene is needed to show the phenotype.
A homozygous (SUPER) pin would look the same as a het pin(typical pin) but would carry 2 genes for pin.

Rescessives
A het shows no phenotype at all

A homozygous (super) shows the phenotype as it takes both genes to show it.

So, hets would be:
Pin
Lesser
Het albino

So, supers or homozygous would be
Homo pin
BEL
Albino

[OhhWatALoser]

ok for the people saying there is no super form, what do you believe happens when you breed a pin to a pin and the two pin alleles pair up together? imo it is kind of ignorant to say it doesn't exist, it follows our current understanding of genetics and we have evidence of it. You're claiming it works in some other mysterious way, with no explanation besides "I don't believe it."

This is not the spider gene, that is a whole different scenario all together.

I do not believe there is a super form of a pinstripe either, and if there is there is really nothing to be gained from it, especially financially.
I'm not knocking Thomas trying but like many people do not believe the pinstripe or spider is anything but a dominant trait.

ignorant huh

anyone else enjoy that?

[CD CONSTRICTORS]

There genetically must be some sort of Super for every morph- visual, or not. Whether it's worth a hoot, or not is up for debate. I personally think it could be worth something. What if I really wanted Kingpins? I could pair a Lesser (or it's super- BEL) to a SuperPin and increase my odds of getting Kingpins, or shall I say less chance of normals. It could certainly come in handy for a Nuclear Pin if one desired to breed for those. Give me a super spider for nuclear spiders at a few grand a pop and I'll take it.

To say that Pins do not have a super form when other morphs have a super form is kinda silly. Just because it is not visual does not mean it does not exist. It would take years to prove out and even then someone will just say you hit the odds real good and you could not prove them wrong without genetic testing because it would not be visual.

Proving out a non-visual super pin seems kinda cumbersome to me- especially when we're talking about a $200 morph. I'll just play the odds with more pins..... kinda what I'm doing with Spider morphs for my Nuclear spider project.

[SlitherinSisters]

There are plenty of pins out there with perfect stripes, it just takes selective/reduced pattern breeding. You can google pins and find a bunch with perfect stripes. My pin from Pro Exotics only has one little break, and I paid a normal pin price for her.


And people aren't trying to be mean, we're just trying to say the whole reason we know pinstripes are dominant is because they have been breed over and over to prove they were dominant not codominant. Theoretically you could make a pin that makes only pins, but the chances are slim. We're just saying people have tried before.

If it really was that easy to make a homo pin or a super pin why aren't they on the market? Why can't we buy super/homo pins, spiders, etc. If you were going to buy something dominant, why not buy the super form of it if we could? Why not make it? Super forms are awesome snakes to have in your collection because it guarantees the babies being at least one morph. I just don't see it, in last 10-12 years that dominant morphs have come up we haven't been able to prove a reliable super form.

[mykee]

"There is a super pin and in time I will prove it. A super pin looks like a pin but produces all pins no normals. By saying there is no super pin is just ignorant. "

It's your time to waste I suppose...

While we're at it, I produced 4 superblasts from a superblast to super pastel pairing. Two of those four superblasts are lighter than the other two. I not only believe them to be a Tri-pastel (three pastel genes) as opposed to just plain old super pastels, but I'm going to breed them back together to PROVE it.
Watch!

[Lthv]

There are plenty of pins out there with perfect stripes, it just takes selective/reduced pattern breeding. You can google pins and find a bunch with perfect stripes. My pin from Pro Exotics only has one little break, and I paid a normal pin price for her.

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If it really was that easy to make a homo pin or a super pin why aren't they on the market? Why can't we buy super/homo pins, spiders, etc. If you were going to buy something dominant, why not buy the super form of it if we could? Why not make it? Super forms are awesome snakes to have in your collection because it guarantees the babies being at least one morph. I just don't see it, in last 10-12 years that dominant morphs have come up we haven't been able to prove a reliable super form.

The pattern of the animal does not indicate genetically if it has one or two copies of the pinstripe gene, I could be wrong, but I believe the OP simply pointed out the pattern because he liked it.

Its not really "easy" to breed for super or homo pins, because statistically you would get 1 in 4 animals as a homo pin (assuming 25% chance for normals, 50% chance for pins and 25% chance for homo pins); however, unlike the super form of co dominant animals you cannot tell what you've produced visually because all three pins look the same. To breed these animals and get them on the market the only way would be to take all three pinstripe animals and raise them to breeding size and then breed them (realistically multiple times) and look for an animal which produces only pinstripe offspring.

One season may be enough for a male animal if you pair him to multiple females; however, should you have selected the wrong animal you may have wasted the breeding potential of many females for the season. If you hit a homo pin on a female you will need to breed her for multiple seasons to "prove" her genetics are not just luck. The only time an animal like this could be sold on the market is as an adult, or as the offspring of two proven homo pin adults, but let's be honest, most people wouldn't buy a baby Super Pinstripe. Short of raising these for your own collection, there's really no practicality for producing them for the market, even if producing some supers is "easy".

[stickyalvinroll]

How does that look like a super pinstripe? Looks like my pinstripe. Wow now i think my pinstripe is a super!!

[TessadasExotics]

daddy gene is undeniably dominant, unless you want to call ralph davis a liar.
the first congo imported was homozygous, unless you want to call vin russo a liar.
the pinstripe was proven by statistics, unless you want to call bhb a liar.
not like other unproven "dominant" morphs such as spider and a host of others, which have an unknown homozygous form. I dont get where people claim a super form doesn't exist, it really makes no sense. proven and existing are different things. its not about using correct terms, its separating what is dominant from what is unknown

Ummmmm how is the Platty Daddy Dominant? And if there is a Dominant form of the Pinstripe, how is it that no one else has proven it?

As far as Pins with full stripes, they are not uncommon. Our female has an unbroken full dorsal stripe.

[TessadasExotics]

I do not believe there is a super form of a pinstripe either, and if there is there is really nothing to be gained from it, especially financially.
I'm not knocking Thomas trying but like many people do not believe the pinstripe or spider is anything but a dominant trait.

ignorant huh

How is there really nothing to be gained from a super form of a Pinstripe, especially financially? If you had a super Pin and bred it to a BEL Lesser you would make KingPins in every egg. No chances of anything less. Seams like a pretty good financial gain to me.