Possible super pinstripes

[Mike41793]

I see just a nice looking pin. The full dorsal stripes arent super uncommon imo. If i were to get a pin id want one that looks like that.

[Rat160]

Really? You don't think that with the tens of thousands of pins produced, that NO ONE bred sibling back to sibling to try to prove out a super?

breeding to determine a super form of a dominate gene would take years... especially if its female. Id say you need at least a solid three years of producing nothing but pinstripes to say it is a super. If your breeding a female figure it takes 2-3 years to get to breeding weight and another 3 years of breeding to prove it out (assuming your female goes three years in a row) your looking at 5-6 years to prove it out.

breeding sibling to sibling with a dominate gene snake would prove nothing. Dominant genes dont have a visual super form. The super form looks just like the "het" form ie. a pinstripe. The only difference is it does not throw normals, it throws all pinstripes.

I think you are confused by the term "super" this is not like co-doms dominant genes are hard and time consuming to prove out.

[heathers*bps]

I have to say that my pin female also has a nice full stripe, and I've seen plenty others that have it as well.

Whichever it is, I wish your friend the best of luck in proving these out.

[Andybill]

I think its an awesome looking pin but nothing I havent seen before. However I think it would be awesome if it proved to be a super. I love pins and if there was a super I sure wouldnt mind having one in my rack. Best of luck to your buddy with this project.

[Domepiece]

actually to be dominant it HAS to have a homozygous (super) form that looks exactly like the heterozygous (het). Other wise it's still not proven what it actually is, like most of what we call dominant.



27 eggs, all pinstripe, never one normal. chances of a heterozygous animal doing that are over 1 in 100 million. I never asked him what he did with the male. I know he has some possible super pin females he showed me, obviously they are going to take quite a bit longer to prove out.

I suppose I just figured it went without saying. For the purpose of ball pythons I just use dominant since the super form either doesnt exist, is lethal and dies in the egg, or it looks exactly the same as the het form. For the purpose of talking about ball morphs I dont find it necessary to use the technically correct genetic terminology. Im familiar with genetics but this isnt science class. On the other hand though, I smell what your cookin. Thanks

[OhhWatALoser]

I suppose I just figured it went without saying. For the purpose of ball pythons I just use dominant since the super form either doesnt exist, is lethal and dies in the egg, or it looks exactly the same as the het form. For the purpose of talking about ball morphs I dont find it necessary to use the technically correct genetic terminology. Im familiar with genetics but this isnt science class. On the other hand though, I smell what your cookin. Thanks

thats my point, pinstripe, congo, and daddy gene are claimed to be truly dominant.
daddy gene is undeniably dominant, unless you want to call ralph davis a liar.
the first congo imported was homozygous, unless you want to call vin russo a liar.
the pinstripe was proven by statistics, unless you want to call bhb a liar.
not like other unproven "dominant" morphs such as spider and a host of others, which have an unknown homozygous form. I dont get where people claim a super form doesn't exist, it really makes no sense. proven and existing are different things. its not about using correct terms, its separating what is dominant from what is unknown

Really? You don't think that with the tens of thousands of pins produced, that NO ONE bred sibling back to sibling to try to prove out a super?

You don't bred a pos super back to a sibling to prove a dominant trait out, you bred it to things without the gene to see if it continues to throw all of that gene. Or you can get lucky and have it lay on the same locus as another gene and bred two those combos together, leaving a 25% chance of proving out the super. such as the case with the daddy gene.

spends all that time and effort in proving out a snake to end up with an animal that looks exactly the same as the het form, not much money in it, looks sell, so no there's not going to be tens of thousands, unless the market changes.

[Domepiece]

thats my point, pinstripe, congo, and daddy gene are claimed to be truly dominant.
daddy gene is undeniably dominant, unless you want to call ralph davis a liar.
the first congo imported was homozygous, unless you want to call vin russo a liar.
the pinstripe was proven by statistics, unless you want to call bhb a liar.
not like other unproven "dominant" morphs such as spider and a host of others, which have an unknown homozygous form. I dont get where people claim a super form doesn't exist, it really makes no sense. proven and existing are different things. its not about using correct terms, its separating what is dominant from what is unknown


You don't bred a pos super back to a sibling to prove a dominant trait out, you bred it to things without the gene to see if it continues to throw all of that gene. Or you can get lucky and have it lay on the same locus as another gene and bred two those combos together, leaving a 25% chance of proving out the super. such as the case with the daddy gene.

spends all that time and effort in proving out a snake to end up with an animal that looks exactly the same as the het form, not much money in it, looks sell, so no there's not going to be tens of thousands, unless the market changes.

lol, lets pump the brakes a little bit here. Whos calling anyone a liar? Not me, and in this situation I'm only talking about Pins. I know its hard to get the correct tone and convey messages in text and Im not trying to ruffle your feathers. Just saying for the time being and for how popular and widely bred pins are and the fact that 1? has ever been thought to exist, despite how it actually expresses itself genetically, I'm calling it dominant just for giggles. Dont get me wrong, I hope this guy does prove out his project and it would be nice to have a super pin but until I see more of them proved out over several generations I'm gonna stay a skeptic

[OhhWatALoser]

lol, lets pump the brakes a little bit here. Whos calling anyone a liar? Not me, and in this situation I'm only talking about Pins. I know its hard to get the correct tone and convey messages in text and Im not trying to ruffle your feathers. Just saying for the time being and for how popular and widely bred pins are and the fact that 1? has ever been thought to exist, despite how it actually expresses itself genetically, I'm calling it dominant just for giggles. Dont get me wrong, I hope this guy does prove out his project and it would be nice to have a super pin but until I see more of them proved out over several generations I'm gonna stay a skeptic

well sir, everything I have stated has been addressing your statements, who's getting feathers ruffled? If you need me to stop sugar coating it, i'm trying to say you're spreading misinformation, stop it. I know you don't mean it, I was just being direct and to the point for the most part.

[dtannous30]

Pins are dominant there is no super...there just nice lookin pins imo...

[Rat160]

Pins are dominant there is no super...there just nice lookin pins imo...

There is a super pin and in time I will prove it. A super pin looks like a pin but produces all pins no normals. By saying there is no super pin is just ignorant.


Please excuse any errors sent from my crap phone.