Ugh.. I think she's sick

[Manasha-Bogo]

I finally have an update.. And that's that there is no update. sigh.. They were too busy to do any of the testing they said they would do. Nice, eh? So they're keeping her there tonight and possibly over the whole weekend if I ask them to. And I probably will ask them to.

[Manasha-Bogo]

I'll just quote Slim here. Since you're ignoring him, you probably haven't read this yet.





You've refused to actually separate your snakes. That seems to be refusing advice. When we say 'separate' we mean 'different enclosures'.



Obviously not, if they have mites and are sick.



A glass enclosure is fine so long as it provides all the right husbandry which includes not being in the same enclosure as another snake and in one that's much too big besides. Maybe you should listen to what I'm saying instead of telling me I said something I didn't. Did I ever say 'you suck'? No.



Hey, I know stress is a semi-healthy thing. I'm sorry I'm apparently not the wizard at 'reading between the lines' that you are. I'm sorry I only have an english degree and know exactly how to deconstruct what you're saying for meaning and intent. I apologize that I come of as a 6 year old, but you're the one calling me names.

Also, I'm done with this thread. I'm not going to wish your snake's death on you, but if she does pass because of your inadequate care I hope it's peaceful and pain-free. And I hope any of your other pets don't manage to get sick despite their lack of care because you sure won't make sure they have what they need. And I really hope that you don't foster any animals ever because they didn't ask to be moved into a home where there are things that might make them ill.

Moderators, if I've crossed the line somewhere, please be sure to correct me, I would appreciate it.

My coworker are wondering why I'm laughing so hard. Oh wait, you must know this already as you seem to know me more than even I do.

Hey, let me actually say thing that would warrant the kind of treatment I've been getting from the select few here..

Um, I have 2 snakes, they both live in a small tupperware box with holes cut in the top with a knife. I put them by the stove to keep them warm. I know they poop in there after they eat, but my cleaning schedule is every 2nd friday of every month. Nah, I won't separate them. I think they actually enjoy eachother's company. Nah, I won't feed them full grown mice because I think those are gross. I much rather buy the cute little hoppers. NOt go back to the herp store? watchatalkinbout?! I love those guys. They're the ones who told me to put these guys together! No, I've seen how they keep their reptiles in little plastic tubs. If it's good for them, it's good for me. Those guys are experts, afterall. Sick shick, she doesn't need to see a vet. She's a reptile! reptiles live under rocks in the wild. Ever seen a vet in the wild? sheesh.. you guys are just ignant. juuuust ignant.

Let the praise being.....

[Inarikins]

And you wonder why you're being treated with distaste, acting like a miffed middle schooler...

[DooLittle]

I think everybody is wasting their breath.

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[satomi325]

Not my fault if the animal came sick from the place I got it, now is it?
Should have taken her to the vet 2 weeks ago. Agreed. I said as much in an earlier post. Hindsight is 20/20. Do you want me to commit seppuku for not having done something I probably should have? Did anyone recommend in the other thread that I should take her to the vet? No. So that hindsight = 20/20 applies to everyone who got worked up over the separation issue. Everyone was too blinded by the fact they were living together to see that just maybe she was really sick and needed to be seen by a vet.

Nobody mentioned anything about a vet visit because 90% of the time, a husbandry change will solve everything.
Your snake could have come to you sick, but maybe it didn't. Housing her with the male in a bearded dragon set up certainly didn't help her get better if she was sick in the first place. It probably made her worse.
Any kind of stress on a reptile is HUGE. It's not like stress on humans or mammals. Reptile stress can lower it's immune system and make it more susceptible to illness and/or infection.

Agreed. Which is why I give all my animals a clean and appropriate environment. And if I don't know how or have questions, I go looking for the right answers. Hence, why I am here. But to tell you the truth I have spent more time here explaining my personal decisions than I have learning anything new.

Last time I looked, housing 2 mite infested snakes together in a dragon set up isn't clean, nor appropriate....But it sounds like that's all solved except for the egg crate thing. But we all said enough about that. So moving on.

Why does your snake care sheet list glass enclosures as one of the acceptable living quarters for a ball python if it is, in fact, so frowned upon? Maybe you should file a complaint with the board moderators instead of trying to convince me that I suck. lol!

Glass enclosures are FINE. But tubs work very well as a temporary set up or a quarantine enclosure until your girl gets better. You even mentioned you couldn't use the other tanks in your house, so we suggested a very cheap and easy solution.

Like we all mentioned before, separating a sick animal should be your first priority in order to keep your male healthy. Why leave him in the same enclosure with the sick female? The egg crate does NOTHING to keep pathogens from going through. You need a solid barrier at the very very least. What if your female was contagious? Your male could have caught whatever she had. Then you would have to treat another animal and pay double for the vet bill. Twice the bill, double the effort in caring for a sick animal, and double the heart ache if both died.

Lol, stress is a healthy (yes, healthy) thing. But don't take my word for it, look it up yourself. It's "too much" stress that is bad. When it starts to affect your health and makes you age prematurely. Maybe another mistake I have made is to assume you can read between the lines and could tell what I meant. Sorry, next time I'll spell things out like you're a 6 year old.

Ok. Stress on you may be alright. But as everyone mentioned, your priority should be on your current animals. You want to help animals. I like people who try to help animals. But you contradict yourself so much with that statement .You said you want to foster to help those birds. Well, you're not helping out your current sick animals by putting your time and energy into the potential new animals.

On average, it takes snakes a decent amount of time to recover fully from being ill.
They're not like mammals where they bounce back within a week. Treating your snake can take anywhere from a few weeks to months.
That puts stress on your snake.
Like I mentioned before, stress promotes a lowered immune system in snakes. First, you housed both of your snakes together. Yes they're physically 'separated' now, but you can bet that being together before was probably stressful for them too. Snakes sharing an enclosure are constantly fighting for dominance of the best spot in the cage(often mistaken as cuddling).

Second, your snakes are still recovering from mites. That alone is pretty stressful.

And now your girl is in critical condition. All that stress adds up to a majorly sick snake.

So all in all, your snake could have come to you sick. But with everything I mentioned above, it certainly made things much worse.

Please don't take any of this the wrong way. This is a great forum. The members here are very experienced and knowledgeable. They're all giving very good advice to improve the well being of your animals.

Lastly, I'm sorry if I sounded harsh or mean in this post. I just got frustrated from reading all the back and forth bickering.

[Manasha-Bogo]

I really wanted to give this forum the benefit of the doubt. In all my years it is by far the worst. And I feel bad saying that because I respect everyone who has messaged me privately apologizing for the rest of you and offering more advice. It's a shame that the loudest voices on this board are the ones coming from the smallest minds.

I wish everyone and their snakes the very best on these boards. If you would like to know what ends up happening with manasha, please IM me here privately and I'll share with you my email address.

Thanks to everyone who has been helpful to me up until this point.

-T

[Inarikins]

Who are the people who were PMing you to apologize for people here? I'm curious. I really want to know. I don't think there's anybody here that knows anything about snakes that would agree with what you're saying, much less apologize to you for those of us that keep telling you what you need to do.

We've been nothing but helpful. The only time we got snarky is when you made it clear you had no real intention to help your snakes and do what had to be done as soon as possible.

I hope your snake lives and recovers and goes on to live a good life and all I can wish is that you would take the advice you have so far been ignoring and correct your husbandry. For your snakes and all your animals.

[satomi325]

No need to tell us who PMed you. What I really want to know is what kind of advice you were given that was different from what was given here.
I honestly want to know in order to learn more options. That is what the forum is here for; to learn and share experiences.

[Slim]

since there seems to be an active interest in my personal life

Actually, there is little interest in your personal life...you just keep bringing it up.

Something tells me you would not be satisfied with any answer I give you unless it sounded something like this. ""You're so right, I don't know what I have been thinking. I have been so wrong in my ways. I can't handle all of this crisis. I can't deal with all these things going wrong at once...

Well, since the first of the twelve steps is to admit that you have a problem, it would be a good start.

If you can give me hard evidence of the advice that I refuse to take, please point those out to me.
Get them separated? Done.

they have been separated with a makeshift egg crate type divider for about a week or more.

You didn't seperate them, you put a piece of cardboard between them. Not Done.

^ Ditch the tank and get two 15-28qt tubs for each of them (~$6 a piece), get a UTH for both and get them regulated and there's your cheap setup for each of them.

I'll let you answer this one with your own words:

3rd solution would be to toss out both tank altogether and get two smaller ones. But that seems like such a waste. I don't like throwing money away.

More advice untaken. I thought you said money wasn't an issue? In fact, you said:

It has never been a matter of money. I have 7 other pets and they all get what they need including vet visits.

show me where I was rude when it was unwarranted

Too Easy...

Please, I do have some amount of common sense.

READ my posts, why don't you? Do you honestly think I would be here and on 100 other sites reading up on sh!t if I didn't give ? Why should I blindly bow down and praise Allah for your advice...But if you want to yell and be condescending, then it will all fall on deaf ears. I don't respond well to tantrums. Not even from my kids.

If all of you gurus knew everything, they why would this message board exist? Don't preach to me about what is important. Don't assume I'm an idiot. Don't talk down to me. Actually, you know what ? Screw you hippies. I'll go back to that "other" herp site for my advice

Sorry, next time I'll spell things out like you're a 6 year old.

sheesh.. you guys are just ignant. juuuust ignant.

In order to get sick only one thing must exist. Life.

While I conceed this point, bad husbandry does have a tendency to hurry things along.

So they're keeping her there tonight and possibly over the whole weekend if I ask them to. And I probably will ask them to.

Honesty, that is a much better place for your snake than where it has been.

[Rob]

Lol just read this whole thing. Idk how I missed this!