price dropping

[mr.spooky]

I keep hearing people saying that guys that spend so much on an animal got screwed cause they are worth a fraction of the value now. So let me respond from experience as one of those guys. I bought my very first spider in like 2003 for close to 20k from rob at spiderballs.net. that spider was 500 grams. By breeding season i got him up to 850 grams. I bred to 5 females. 3 out of the 5 took. Out of those 3 i got 6.4 spiders. I sold all the males for 15k each and the girls for 18k each. You do the math. Enough said. Look what people have to understand coming into the hobby where combo and triple morphs are common place is that we didnt use to have it like that. The spider when it came out to the public was the big killer morph. This was a time when the holt grail white snake hadnt been produced yet and pieds were over 10k and we didnt have nearly what you see now. We all knew spiders were a single codom morph and knew it would soon start dropping. The key with any animal is get in at the infancy and milk it for all its worth. As soon as everyone gets their hands on an animal the prices drop. It just is what it is. No one should be surprised how quick the spiders dropped. Thos of us working with them at the time knew they would and if you look at todays trends the same is happening on alot of animals. Look at mojaves, caramels, pieds, albinos etc. All dropping. Look at combos like lemon blasts, bumble bees, sterlings etc. All dropping. It doesnt matter what ya do or what ya like they will always drop as long as their is more supply then demand.

thats just depressing... what i take from this statement is that unless you got 5-10K to drop on a single animal,,,,, your never gonna get ahead... depressing...
spooky

[Kodieh]

Honestly, having the aspirations of some day buying another snake to make a breeding pair is very dear to me. I want to experience the excitement. But, I wouldn't begin to try an infringe on anyone else and their "market". I'd be moving what I made and didn't keep on CL or through my local reptile shop.

To be frank, do you think a first time breeder in two or three years could compete with Mike Wilbanks? Frankly, no. And I choose not to try.

[snake lab]

thats just depressing... what i take from this statement is that unless you got 5-10K to drop on a single animal,,,,, your never gonna get ahead... depressing...
spooky

That really wasnt the point i was trying to make. But i mean thats about the jist of it. If you want to be in the front of a project or a new morph your gonna have to invest in that. But its an investment. If you spend the money to get in at the beginning of a big project you will make alot of money on that project and be in a good position of carrying that project to bigger and better combos

[mr.spooky]

That really wasnt the point i was trying to make. But i mean thats about the jist of it. If you want to be in the front of a project or a new morph your gonna have to invest in that. But its an investment. If you spend the money to get in at the beginning of a big project you will make alot of money on that project and be in a good position of carrying that project to bigger and better combos

yea,, i understand what your saying,, and i guess that takes me back to the reason for my origional rant... theres no room for a middle ground. the "big boys" are in a place of their own, and know how to do business,, and whats left gets bastardized by people thats willing to take less than average just to make a quick buck.. its odvious where the true business people are... frankly, i wish that there were more true business people.
spooky

[mr.spooky]

BTW,,, your last post is good advice and i respect that... def. something thats note worthy
spooky

[snake lab]

It would be alot harder to get into cutting edge projects in todays industry cause the big guys have stuff they arent about to show just yet. Case in point when pro exotics had their fire i remember them saying they lost alot of one of kind animals and i cant even imagine what those were. My advice for anyone would be to work with the animals you yourself likes and worry bout the money second. Hey one of my favorite all time animals is the bumblebee. I love that animal. I always breed them and i dont care if they only sell for 20 bucks. I think they are cool. But i still have alot of overhead to account for over the year so i have to also breed animals i can sell for good money. The problem we are gonna have soon is that we are going to have so many genes stacked in an animal we wont know what the hell is in the offspring or how to reproduce it. Its gonna be like workin with poss hets on everything lol

[stangs13]

thats just depressing... what i take from this statement is that unless you got 5-10K to drop on a single animal,,,,, your never gonna get ahead... depressing...
spooky

To be honest, if your starting a business and are really humming to kick butt 5-10k is a small price to pay, and could even be considered cheap. Most folks are not in this to get ahead anyway. In fact even people who turn a profit every year breeding snakes do so because they love doing it. If your wanting to really get into snake breeding you have to have a plan, there is so much more too it than most think! Gotta remember the six p's, proper planning prevents piss poor performance.

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[mr.spooky]

To be honest, if your starting a business and are really humming to kick butt 5-10k is a small price to pay, and could even be considered cheap. Most folks are not in this to get ahead anyway. In fact even people who turn a profit every year breeding snakes do so because they love doing it. If your wanting to really get into snake breeding you have to have a plan, there is so much more too it than most think! Gotta remember the six p's, proper planning prevents piss poor performance.

slacking off somewhere using tapatalk

i agree. if your starting a business, 5-10k is nothing. im in the higher end of that number just as a collector.. if someones wanting to start a business, and get a little ahead of the game, id guess about 50k (just in animals) would be a good start.
spooky

[snake lab]

The snake buisness is one of the rare buisnesses cause yo can turn a very hood profit in the first year unlike most buisnesses one can start.

[Royal Hijinx]

i agree. if your starting a business, 5-10k is nothing. im in the higher end of that number just as a collector.. if someones wanting to start a business, and get a little ahead of the game, id guess about 50k (just in animals) would be a good start.
spooky

Yeah I would think 50K would be about the right amount of seed money, especially of buying up Bananas, Toffinos, Multi-gene and the like to be on the forefront.