Do all morphs get "head wobble"?

[Skittles1101]

My female spider is one of my favorite snakes I own. She's a little quirky and such a sweetheart. Her wobble is only apparent during feeding times, but other than that she gets the head tilt occasionally and that's about it. She rights herself immediately after being flipped over and doesn't corkscrew, and is one of my best eaters. She'll eat the largest size rat possible for her size in half the time it takes my bigger boys. I just love her, don't be afraid of the wobble. IMO, there's plenty of "traits" that people knowingly breed with and (depending on the trait of course) it usually turns out fine. A slight "wobble" doesn't concern me when there's a lot worse things that could be bred into this hobby...

[MarkyMcFly]

I, myself, really want a bumble bee. I was always worried a little about the wobble too, but people seem to get along fine with it.

And don't let the "holier than thou" types run you off or chastise you for owning/wanting one.

That snakes going to be born wether you like it or not, if you give it it's best possible life, then what harm are you doing. It's no different than owning and breeding an animal for its pretty color or what have you. If you can hold a wild animal captive and that doesn't bother your conscience, it shouldn't matter what is going on with the animal. If you get my drift.

[kitedemon]

I understand the hesitation. I understand the comment about not breeding spiders too. I get it. They have been breed they are out there and so it is a moot point. The real question isn't about wobbles it is do you want a spider or not. Look at Pinstripes a similar looking morph very nice and wobble free. If you want a spider you will not get a free of wobble one but you can get one that has a slight wobble. Mine like others have posted has a wobble but usually only when over stimulated he is fine handling until he gets stressed and is fine feeding unless he sits too long or misses the first strike. It isn't a problem for us (him and I) but sever wobbles can be very problematic. With spiders I'd always advise buying from a person face to face so you can see and handle the snake, understanding that that is very stressful situation for a snake so a spider slightly odd is likely ok for now anyway.

[Genetics Breeder]

I was always worried a little about the wobble too, but people seem to get along fine with it.

And don't let the "holier than thou" types run you off or chastise you for owning/wanting one.

Were you talking about what I said?
people don't have to "get along fine with it". All you have to do is take care of the animal. The animal lives with the problem.

It's no different than owning and breeding an animal for its pretty color or what have you. If you can hold a wild animal captive and that doesn't bother your conscience, it shouldn't matter what is going on with the animal. If you get my drift.

It IS very different than owning holding a wild animal captive. Obviously, if it's a spider, its captive bred (not wild). Nobody said they were keeping wild animals captive. If they did, they might miss the wild at the most. Not have neurological disorders. Your drift doesn't make sense.

That snakes going to be born wether you like it or not, if you give it it's best possible life, then what harm are you doing.

"whether you like it or not". If you don't like it, don't buy it. Let the breeder or another customer buy it to "give it it's best possible life". I was saying the reasons I wouldn't breed a spider. Other people might breed them, but not me.

Nobody is forced to breed anything. People don't have enough self control to decide whether or not it is worth it to breed an animal for patterns, or for the linked problems. If you can deal with animals possibly having problems, you shouldn't be owning animals.

[spitzu]

All of our spiders wobble to some degree and I have a woma whose wobble is becoming more noticeable as she grows.

I don't think it bothers them too much, and they all seem to have cute personalities.

[loonunit]

If you're getting a morph to breed, it's probably also worth mentioning that many caramels hatch kinked. Not all caramels are kinked, so it's easy to find a gorgeous, unkinked caramel. But it seems like most caramels have at least some potential to produce a kinked baby, regardless of line or prior outcrossing.

Honestly, most morphs don't have known deformities or neurological ticks. Pastels, ghosts, pinstripes, pieds, regular albinos, leucistics, axanthics, genetic stripes, etc. all seem to produce healthy, basically flawless animals. Cinnamons and black pastels may show some "duck-billing" in the supers, but that's pretty subtle compared to kinking or the wobbles. There are some questions about a few of the rarer genes, but those are likely out of the price range for a first morph anyway.

[bad-one]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but if you are going to ever breed your morphs (even if the morph itself has no issues like wobbling/kinks/etc) there will always be a risk of hatching deformed offspring that don't thrive or must be euthanized. It is, unfortunately, a risk that comes with breeding any animal.

Good luck choosing your future morph

[rabernet]

Yeah, I hear that all the time. I've never seen nor produced a non-wobbling spider (over time) and I think I've produced and seen enough to confidently say that you are either lying or mistaken.
If you in fact have a spider that doesn't wobble, congratulations, it's a one of a kind and is worth roughly 14 million dollars.
EDIT: I think some people see "wobble" and think that if the animals head doesn't vibrate or shake, then it's unaffected.
The "wobble" that spiders are so known for is not just a head shake persay; it includes twisting the head upside down, corkscrewing, stargazing, and other "abnormal" characteristics that are not seen in "normal" morphs.

That's a little harsh. I do believe that some people "think" that their spider doesn't wobble, but they aren't quite in tune with what to look for. I've got a female spider, that if I put her in your hands, you'd say "oh look - she doesn't wobble".

But she does. You have to really be paying attention to see it. I also maintain that all spiders have the wobble. Other breeders who have also worked extensively with this mutation would agree with me.

[meowmeowkazoo]

Are you saying that you think it is cute when an animal has a neurological disorder? Spiders have involuntary muscle movement. Its similar to Parkensins. I don't think that is 'endearing'.

It's really not all that similar to Parkinson's disease. The spider wobble doesn't usually affect their quality of life, and snakes don't suffer emotions like embarrassment. I have hand tremors that DO affect my quality of life, and yes, I find the spider wobble endearing. Problem?

[Genetics Breeder]

It's really not all that similar to Parkinson's disease. The spider wobble doesn't usually affect their quality of life, and snakes don't suffer emotions like embarrassment. I have hand tremors that DO affect my quality of life, and yes, I find the spider wobble endearing. Problem?

I wouldn't want to see a pet I have constantly looking like it's head is vibrating. People don't know if it affects their quality of life. Try moving your head back and forth that much for a few minutes.
I know someone that had to force feed a spider it's whole life (so far) because it couldn't strike straight. What do you mean by endearing?