If it's too good to be true....

[Chris633]

You guys and gals that are saying "mike doesn't know what he is talking about... the local BP market here is awefull... I can't find a local breeder with quality animals anywere close to me...." are missing the point completely.

The lack of breeders is the REASON why you should be able to move your animals very easily with the locals.

I agree completely, especially since a lot of this discussion has been centering around NJ. There are great breeders locally who keep a low profile here in NJ. So the market is wide open for those who want to be out in the open. And I plan on taking full advantage of that in a few years

[RichsBallPythons]

I tried to contact him. He blew me off.

Hes not computer savy, can be slow to reply to messages as he gets a lot of them daily. Just keep contacting him, and say Rich sent you.

[RichsBallPythons]

I agree completely, especially since a lot of this discussion has been centering around NJ. There are great breeders locally who keep a low profile here in NJ. So the market is wide open for those who want to be out in the open. And I plan on taking full advantage of that in a few years

Well better have good locks on your collection. Being well known is one thing, but being well known locally and where collection resides is asking for trouble with thieves.

[wilomn]

I think there are so many new people coming into this hobby everyday that it really doesn't matter whether you're new or not.

Newbs don't know what to look for and newb sellers are there every spring.

Do what you feel is right and ignore everyone else. If you're happy with what you're doing nothing else is important.

Look at KS or Fauna, even here to a smaller extent, and you'll first time breeders with prices that are pretty much market. So long as the seller knows what they're talking about, can take a decent picture and doesn't have a bad guy thread on the BOI, they ALL seem to sell.

Worrying now over what may or may not happen someday may not be the best use of your snake time.

[wilomn]

Hes not computer savy, can be slow to reply to messages as he gets a lot of them daily. Just keep contacting him, and say Rich sent you.

Yeah, that's the ONLY reason he'd blow someone off....

[JulieInNJ]

Hes not computer savy, can be slow to reply to messages as he gets a lot of them daily. Just keep contacting him, and say Rich sent you.

Thanks! ...wonder if he's interested in hiring someone who IS computer savy and loves bps, lol!!!

Well better have good locks on your collection. Being well known is one thing, but being well known locally and where collection resides is asking for trouble with thieves.

And this is why I have two guard dogs... LOL!

[Chris633]

Well better have good locks on your collection. Being well known is one thing, but being well known locally and where collection resides is asking for trouble with thieves.

Fair point. I guess it is all about striking a balance. Being known but also not be careless/reckless. I don't think I would ever want to invite strangers into me home for just that reason.

[snake lab]

You guys and gals that are saying "mike doesn't know what he is talking about... the local BP market here is awefull... I can't find a local breeder with quality animals anywere close to me...." are missing the point completely.

The lack of breeders is the REASON why you should be able to move your animals very easily with the locals.

We have the opposite problem here. We have alot of local breeders like outback, sharp,kahl, morph makers, just to name a few so its pretty competitive on the morphs but our local big box stores are horrible. So it does allow for dumpin normals pretty easy. And mike i apoligize you do have a clue lol

[Jessica Loesch]

My point is you dont have to devalue your animals they are your animals put as much value on them as you want.
but your value of them and my value of them are totally different.
for example i dont like black pastels and i dont care how much you put a value on them i wont buy it.
now as for them "mythical" little guy,hell i still consider myself the little guy and i own three businesses and am about to open my forth(a tattoo shop),i dont devalue the hard working little guys because i believe with out the mythical little guy there would not be any of alot of industries(bp's,tattoos,walmart,pet supplies etc).
how much would your spectacular pastel top show quality morph be worth if no one bought it(money wise its worthless)to you as a pet it might be priceless but thats to you.
i have always tried to remain humble and am very greatful for all the blessings i have worked hard to get,and i try to treat each an every customer with respect and just because i made it i would never place myself above the little guy,the little guy buying the $25 tattoo of his childs name means just as much to me as the guy paying me by the hour to get his entire back done.
guess my view on how to treat my customers is not standard business practice.
i dont see any problem with give people a break sometimes,people work hard for their money and would like to enjoy certain things in life(as i do)and i feel better about reducing my prices alittle bit to accomadate a wider range of people than haveing people walk away because i am not flexable.
i love competition, if the tattoo shop a few blocks away starts doing 20 dollar names and there customer are happy with the quality do you think i am not going to try to beat him at his own game(yes i will)business is business.
Good quality for a good price will give you a good reputation everytime.
Of course you still have to make a profit so you can only go but so low.but if you can go lower an still make a profit why not.
If i buy a pair of hets proven breeders(for albino)for 150 dollars and they produces 6 eggs(2 albinos maybe 4 hets)and i sell the 4 hets for 50=200 and then sell the albinos for 150 each=300 thats 350 i made from 150(of course minus food say for exaample sake minus 100,)thats 250,i just doubled my money and still was able to sell below market value. can some one explain why that would be wrong(mind you this is just and example i know the odds might not happen that way)

To address the end of your post .... not to be blunt, but why WOULDN'T you price them a little closer to value to make more profit?

I mean, I'm one of those crazy ladies that sits there with her snake, adoring it and calling it cute even though it could give a rat's ... tail .. and then eat it. LOL, but seriously. I still see the value in my potential hatchlings and would rather make the proper amount of money for them. I bought quality breeders and therefore will produce quality animals, so why not? I'm not doing it for the money, but the money keeps me in the hobby and helps me grow my business. There are special cases yes, where if you feel the need to donate or reduce price for someone that deserves it, it is fine, but why for everyone? Why not turn more profit yourself? I just don't see the logic behind this.

You are advocating for making less money with the same amount of time invested, just because some people can't afford the higher dollar morphs (WHICH you can ship, so don't use that local argument, it's fairly easy to do so with SYR). I just don't get what your point is. They can get a pastel or a normal. Give it to them free for all I care. But why would you want to give them something you can get a little or a lot of money back into your hobby from?

[cmack91]

if i saw something on here for a low price, id be more willing to buy it, but if it was on kingsnake, probably not. either way my biggest problem is i would have to trust that the pictures im seeing are the exact snake i would be buying