What do we know about breeding Bananas?

[Royal Morphz]

Let me say that I made a generalized comment on a morph that so few people are working with that my post may be interpreted as a accusation to one or all people working with it. I want to say that is not the reason I posted at all. I know that were it not for those breeders we wouldn't have such cool combos coming out of that morph.

Next the staff would like to emphasize that this is not a forum that will tolerate bashing of anyone and this includes the staff.

Everyone needs to be super careful about what kinds of speculations we throw out to the general public. Implying that breeders may be intentionally culling males in order to artificially inflate prices is a VERY serious allegation. To just throw something like that out onto the table without any specifics leads to a general mistrust of ALL breeders, and goodness knows its hard enough for people to build truly trustworthy reputations in this business. To make such serious allegations without giving any details or naming names casts dispersion on a LOT of innocent people.

I really don't think these sorts of speculations should be made, unless one has concrete evidence to prove a specific individual or business is engaged in the act. And then, such an accusation needs to be made through the proper channels and not tossed out in a general discussion about a morph.

[kellysballs]

from females

If it is truly sex linked you would need both male and female to produce the male. Is the argument I was making.

[Simple Man]

Could we be glossing over the greed factor in humans? I touched on it on another forum. By keeping males in low supply would keep the value on males high. At one time a male emu( large flightless bird) was 20 times the price of females. The reason why is because the main breeder of emu in the US was culling most males. This could explain low male numbers and the price tag as well.

Agreed 100%. There's some speculation that's the issue currently with some other "big names" hatching normal ratios of males. The next season should be very interesting to see if this trend continues.

Regards,

B

[JoeEllisReptiles]

This may have been answered in other threads.

What about the siblings to these guys? Anyone think that maybe the "normal" sibling females are what you would have to hold back to breed into the male bananas to get more male bananas? Just a thought.

[Serpent_Nirvana]

Okay, wellll, I had been debating what if anything to post on this as I am not really sure what is appropriate and not appropriate for me to say. I quite recently had a conversation about this topic with someone who is very "in the know," but while it wasn't explicitly stated to me that the information I was given is proprietary and not to be shared, I still wasn't sure that I felt comfortable posting it on a public forum after a private conversation.

I do feel compelled to speak up, though, and say that I highly, highly doubt that culling or even any real "conspiracy" is the answer, and I cannot imagine any breeders doing this. Hoarding males, maybe. Culling males, no, I don't think so. I can't speak for everyone but I just find that difficult to imagine.

... I can say with relative certainty, based on what I know, that because of however the heck this gene is inherited (and no, I don't know that part -- and to my knowledge NOBODY really does), there are currently a LOT more females than males out there, so I reckon anybody who produces a male keeps him. So, I imagine that would be more likely to explain the lack of available males than a deliberate attempt to keep their numbers artificially low.

I will also say that to my knowledge, everything that OWAL posted -- the fact that CG females produce 50/50 male and female CGs, like a regular dominant, and the fact that male CGs from those female CG dams produce almost exclusively CG female and non-CG male offspring is correct from what I know.

... There is also a third part to the story, however, that as far as I can tell from skimming the Internet hasn't yet been revealed, and that seems to be the "key" to consistently making a bunch of male CGs. ... If you're lucky enough to stumble upon it. ... I don't know if that's all that appropriate to share at this time or not so for now I'll just leave it at that. (Sorry, I'm not trying to play the "neener neener I know more" game -- just don't want to blab someone else's information.) I really don't think there's any conspiracy though.

(PS. I will also say that it doesn't seem to be sex-linked recessive -- that was one of my first thoughts, too )

[wwmjkd]

I suppose it's good to know that whatever the key is, it's not a genetic deficiency or abnormality. however, independent of the entire trade secret debate, I'm still unclear as to whether or not bananas and coral glows are the same morph/phenotype. perhaps I missed it, but would someone be able to clarify?

thanks.

[Russ Lawson]

I suppose it's good to know that whatever the key is, it's not a genetic deficiency or abnormality. however, independent of the entire trade secret debate, I'm still unclear as to whether or not bananas and coral glows are the same morph/phenotype. perhaps I missed it, but would someone be able to clarify?

thanks.

The Evil Morph God himself said they are the same mutation like different lines of pastel. Noting the similarities in appearance of both in photos of bananas and coral glows of all sizes, and considering it seems to be somewhat difficult to get males in both examples, the most logical explanation is that they are indeed the same mutation.

[xFenrir]

Hmm.. The only thing I remember reading about those sorts of things was about females with WW chromosomes. There was a boa who gave birth on her own(no male) and all of the babies born were WW instead of WZ. Of course the testing wasn't really done that well, the snake was still bred during the time, but the babies all only carried her genes and the recessive morph despite the males not carrying the recessive trait. Still would be nice to see if she does it again without males present.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1103111210.htm

random, but sort of related. Chromosomes do weird things.

... Now I'll be eying my RTB's tub every day to see if there are any surprise eggs in there.

This is pretty interesting, the whole Banana/Coral Glow mystery thing. I didn't know that there were specific morphs that would only produce males or females. And adding to a post I saw earlier, what would breeding a female Coral Glow to a male Desert prove?

[JLC]

... Now I'll be eying my RTB's tub every day to see if there are any surprise eggs in there.

Now that WOULD be a surprise!! (RTB's don't lay eggs. )

[wolfy-hound]

[QUOTE=xFenrir;1641337 And adding to a post I saw earlier, what would breeding a female Coral Glow to a male Desert prove?[/QUOTE]

I was being tongue-in-cheek about one not producing males and one not producing fertile females. Add both issues together and it would even out. Just joking. Sorry.