Troll? LoL. Realy? I think I would not fit into the term of a Troll.

Ok. I don't understand why you feel the need to make this into such a big deal. I said it could be possible for Toffee and Lav to be compatible some how. Why not? It appears to be compatible some how with Albino. Who would have ever thought that Toffee and Albino would have been compatible? If I had said a year ago that I thought it would be possible you would be saying the same thing you are now. I don't appreciate you trying to use your basic knowledge of genetics and trying to make your self seam so knowledgeable while trying to make me seam so un knowledgeable and a troll. Thanks for the attacks.

Apparently in all of your knowledge in genetics you have not learned about Polygenic traits. Some traits are determined by the combined effect of more than one pair of genes. These are called Polygenic or continuous traits. Most color pigments are polygenic traits because they are influenced by more than one allele at different loci. The result is the perception of continuous gradation in the expression of these traits.

Some Theories on Genetics:
The Mendel Theory
The Bruce Lowe Theory
Hardy-Weinberg Equilibrium Theory
and The Galton Theory

Here, I can say a bunch of stuff just like you but I am not going to use pretty drawings.I will have some things colored blue so that you wont miss them.

Trait or Characteristic
The physical manifestation of gene actions. A trait could be blue eyes, blond hair color, and so forth.

Genotype Refers to the exact genes and alleles (genetic code) an individual possesses.

Genotype is also used to refer to the pair of alleles present at a single locus. With alleles 'A' and 'a' there are three possible genotypes AA, Aa and aa. With three alleles 1, 2, 3 there are six possible genotypes: 11, 12, 13, 22, 23, 33. First we must appreciate that genes do not act in isolation. The genome in which a genotype is found can affect the expression of that genotype, and the environment can affect the phenotype.
Phenotype The physical result you can see (or measure) that a genotype produces.

Homozygous When both alleles of a gene pair (locus) are the same, they are known as homozygous.

Heterozygous When each allele of a gene pair (locus) are different from each other, they are known as heterozygous

Dominant Refers to an allele that will always express itself in the phenotype when it is present. It will "override" other recessive alleles

Recessive Refers to an allele that can only express itself in the phenotype when a dominant allele is not present along with it. Recessive alleles can only express themselves when they are homozygous... that is, when both alleles are recessive, and there is no dominant allele to override them.

Partial or Incomplete Dominant
Refers to an allele that has a different or more intense phenotypic action in its homozygous state, than in it's heterozygous state. When the genotype is heterozygous for this locus, only part of the trait is visible in the phenotype. When homozygous for both alleles... the effect can be said to be "doubled"-- the two alleles together cause more visible effect.

Co-Dominant Alleles Refers to the case when two different alleles are present, both express themselves in the phenotype.

Never heard of Linked Traits?
Linked Traits or Linkage Loci that are very close together on the same chromosome are often "linked". That is, the genetic material "crosses over" in groups and blocks of amino acids (rather than completely randomly) and the linked alleles are very likely to be transferred to the offspring together as a "team". The closer the loci are to each other on the chromosome, the less likely the "team" will be broken up. The farther away the loci are... the more likely the "team" will be broken up. Loci that are on different chromosomes are not considered "linked".

PleitropicGenes that affect more than one trait.

Multiple-allele SeriesThe ABO blood type system is also an example of a trait that is controlled by more than just a single pair of alleles. In other words, it is due to a multiple-allele series. In this case, there are three alleles (A, B, and O), but each individual only inherits two of them (one from each parent).


Epistasis Refers to the condition where the genotype at one locus has a direct effect on the expression (phenotype) of the gene pair/alleles at a different locus. Typically... the instructions at one gene locus masks or overrides the instructions at another. The locus that masks another is called the Epistatic locus. The locus that is masked, or overridden, is referred to as the Hypostatic locus.

PolygenicPolygenic inheritance can be explained by additive effects of many loci: if each "capital" allele contributes one increment to the phenotype. With one locus and additive effects we have three phenotypic classes: AA, Aa and aa. With two loci and two alleles in a strictly additive model (i.e., no epistasis or other modifying effects) we can have five phenotypic classes aabb<Aabb=aaBb<AaBb=AAbb=aaBB<AABb=AaBB<AABB and the intermediate phenotypic values can be produced in more ways, so should be more frequent. The more loci affecting the trait, the greater number of phenotypic classes.

Dilute or Dilution Genes A dilute gene is one that causes the hair (and/or skin) pigment to be diluted... that is, contains less pigment.

Lethal Traits or Genes Genes that are lethal (cause the animal's death either prior to birth or soon after) are usually Partially Dominant. Many have no detrimental effect in their heterozygous form, but are lethal in their homozygous forms.

Regulator genes
Regulatory genes can either initiate or block the expression of other genes.

How about Stuttering Alleles?

Quite frankly your attacks bore me. You seam to be one of those who likes to feel superior by trying to make others seam inferior. It does not work on me.

I guess that all of the ones working this project that are also breeding their het Toffees with Lav and het lavs are just doing those breedings for what?..... just to waste those Lavs for a year or two for nothing? Yea ok I buy that. I am also willing to waste my breeding females for a season or two.


I am hopeful that the Toffee will prove compatible with the Lav as well. Who knows, maybe it won’t. It may not. I wish I was working with the Toffee and that I could try too. If it doesn’t, then no big deal. It’s at least proven to some how be compatible with the Albino. I can't wait and am very excited to see what becomes of this project.

Anyways I am done arguing with you about something Neither of us knows for sure of what’s going on. It's pointless. I really hate the fact that you have turned it into this and that I have entertained it. I will not post further on this subject Thank you very much. Bye- bye now have a great day!