Provent-A-Mite problem-----PLEASE HELP!

[PghBall]

Glad to hear your little guy is pulling through.

[WingedWolfPsion]

It might have been a heavy application--PAM directions really should be more specific. It actually only takes a very light spray of PAM, very brief, to do the job.

[Exotic Ectotherms]

Glad to hear your little guy is pulling through.

Thank you!!! Not only is he pulling through...he is damn near back to 100% at this point. If you guys could have seen how badly he was convulsing you would be as amazed as i am that he is alive today. He had absolutley NO control over his body and was striking at the air while flailing his head everywhere. He remains slightly dehydrated from the whole ordeal, but i've been soaking him every day and he even drank some of the water during his last soak. His will to survive simply amazes and motivates me at the same time. I honestly thought he was going to be dead in a matter of hours, if not minutes. It has been an emotional week. I never thought I could be so attached to a snake i've only had for a short time. Thank you all again for your support.

[Exotic Ectotherms]

It might have been a heavy application--PAM directions really should be more specific. It actually only takes a very light spray of PAM, very brief, to do the job.

I agree. That is the only real complaint I have....is that the directions are fairly vague. I'm not blaming PAM at all for what happened...but if the were more explicit on the can about proper use maybe we can avoid things like this happening in the future.

[alohareptiles]

The emails I had with Pro Products were very specific that in no circumstance should you let PAM fumes or liquid come into contact with your snake. I think they may have been suggesting you could treat a towel, let it dry, and THEN let your snake slither through it. I am sure it was taken off their labels because peopel got confused and used a PAM wet towel on their snakes and had damage or deaths.

Either way what you were told contradicts the information I had just recieved from them and also some emails posted from them in other locations on the net.

Anyone reading this I would not use PAM in any way contrary to the manufacturers directions on the current retail can.

That's fine Mozbink!!! The directions are meant to be followed...But people can call and talk to P.A.M. themselves, like we did...I've used P.A.M. the ways they've told me as I've stated with no ill effects...

Sounds like things are going better...I'm happy to hear that...

[wendy8882]

I just wanted to share my experience I had today with p.a.m... I had 4 young boas that got mites from a roommates snake he brought in...(he's not very keen on quarintine..) anyway, I treated the tub last night, and let it dry for about 4 hours outside. We didn't put down any substrate, and only gave them a water bowl. I checked on them this morning, and same thing: they were all convulsing, twitching, yawning, flipping over, etc. They had no control over their bodies, or bowel movements. We immediately took them out of the treated tub, wrinsed them off and pit them in clean tubs. The twitching slowed down, but is still there. We called p.a.m. and they.said that this is a rare occurrence, but that it is possible for the snakes to get neurological problems. They said that the p.a.m. attaches to the brain stem, and the brain "tells" the heart and lungs to stop working, and that's how it kills the mites. They said the next 48 hours are crucial, and that the snakes may live or die. They said at this point, there is nothing a vet can do, and that we have to wait and see what happens...I'm super angry about it...I may lose 4 boas because of this. They also said that if the snakes live through this, that they may or may not twitch for the rest of their lives... Maybe they should pit something on the side of the can about possible side effects..

[mackynz]

A wild thread necromancer appears!

Hope they're okay by the way.

[Slim]

IWe called p.a.m.

What's the number for PAM?

[mackynz]

800-726-4968
Errr I mean....
(845) 628-8960

[Anatopism]

EDIT: Realized at just the last moment that this is an old thread.. but I'd already gone through the effort of a response, and it shall not be wated!!

We didn't put down any substrate, and only gave them a water bowl.

Hi,

Just to double check - you didn't spray P-A-M onto the waterbowl then fill it with water did you?


dr del

This is what I was also going to ask. But looks like already answered. Anytime we treat with PAM, we spray the tub, and leave the water bowl out entirely for a couple days, in the event that the snake rubs on the chemical, and then goes into it's water dish.

You'd think that it should be safe to keep the water in, but the chemical still works after being dry, and if it is transferred to water, it has the chance of being injested. Therefore, we do not include the water bowl at all, for a couple days. Most of our snakes don't even drink from their water dish, as they get most of their moisture from their food. Unless it's terribly dry or they haven't been eating, they can go a little while without direct access to water.

Reptile Relief has more reported reactions than PAM, used correctly. I've seen bad reactions reported on various forums, though usually with lizards.

I've never heard of a snake having a bad reaction to Reptile Relief. We have also helped a friend that had close to 400 ball pythons, ranging from hatchlings to adults, that got treated 3 times over the course of a couple weeks, with Reptile relief, with no issues.