Barcelona, Spain Bans bull fights- Opinions

[j_h_smith]

Yeah. Not for beauty, or pleasure. FOOD! You go ahead, eat that banana slug. He's here for food, not to destroy nasty rotting leaves. Tell me how that works for you.

I supposed trees were put here for the sole purpose of lumber too. Look outside your box, the world does not revolve around us.

For our reality is does in fact revolve around us. Everything we do is because of our reality.

Any tool or food is there for our consumptioin, if not what would it be good for? Don't tell me to look at either.

You're being somewhat of a hypocrat when you threw out that banana slug remark. Not all animals are used for food directly, but it may be used for food for some animal that we do in fact eat.

Then you have to realize that just because you won't eat it, doesn't mean that there isn't a culture somewhere in the world that WOULD eat what you won't eat.

So, if what you're saying is true in your reality, what do you eat and what do you house your belongings?

Jim Smith

[j_h_smith]

You can't make human standards apply to animals, but that does not mean that we abandon all moral obligation to care for animals that we have control over.

Putting human life before animal life is, I believe, the logical and correct thing to do. But that doesn't in any way mean that humans ought to be allowed to torture animals to death for their own enjoyment. If someone accidentally found themselves in a position where killing an animal was the only way for them to escape harm, then I would absolutely condone that action. However, just because I believe my life to be of more value than a fighting bull's doesn't mean that I think it's ok to purposely breed and raise an animal to be put into a ring and slowly and painfully killed while a crowd cheers.

But there you go, applying your morals to another culture. I can appreciate you not wanting to harm animals, but that's your belief/morals. You can't stand in judgement of another culture that does not believe the same as you.

Your culture kills animals EVERY DAY, but it's okay because you're not a direct part of that killing. Do all these animals die a peaceful death? I think not. But because you didn't throw the switch to electrcute that head of cattle, you can sleep at night after eating that steak dinner. You didn't stand on that assembly line ringing the neck of a thousand chickens, but you did eat the great tasting fried chicken dinner last night. You're life is longer due to the testing and killing of lab animals. Are you up to date on all of your shot? Did you take any medicine because you were sick or have an illness? Can you be sure there were no animals tortured in the name of science? Do you own clothing that was made from any animal hides? Do you know for a fact that none of these animals weren't tortured?

Of course you can't. No one can. But we as a society will allow others to do the work that we find distasteful. But that's okay, because that's who we are. But don't tell me that the only way you would kill an animal is if you felt your life was in danger.


Jim Smith

[stratus_020202]

For our reality is does in fact revolve around us. Everything we do is because of our reality.

Any tool or food is there for our consumption, if not what would it be good for? Don't tell me to look at either.

You're being somewhat of a hypocrite when you threw out that banana slug remark. Not all animals are used for food directly, but it may be used for food for some animal that we do in fact eat.

Then you have to realize that just because you won't eat it, doesn't mean that there isn't a culture somewhere in the world that WOULD eat what you won't eat.

So, if what you're saying is true in your reality, what do you eat and what do you house your belongings?

Jim Smith

No. You misunderstood me. I love to eat animals. Steak, chicken, hog, mmmmm. I do not think that is their only purpose. And, no my reality is not that the world revolves around us.

It survived without us long ago, I believe it would if we weren't here. I can honestly say, no animal I eat has eaten another animal. Not directly anyway. I supposed something dies, becomes the earth, grass grows and eventually it is eaten, but does that mean their purpose is to be eaten, or to become a fertilizer for grass.

[j_h_smith]

Yeah, really, what a lovely, valuable tradition.

http://www.sharkonline.org/bullfighting13.jpg

See all those things hanging off the bull? They're stabbed into the bull's skin. Barbs prevent them from falling off. Do you see all the blood running down the bull's body, all the wounds?
The sword just finishes the bull off after it's too exhausted to continue to fight for its life.

So, this guy gets into a ring with a bull that has been bred to be very aggressive. Then the bull is stabbed repeatedly. The goal is to madden the animal with so much pain that it won't even think about trying to flee--not that there is really anywhere to go. (Although at least one intrepid bull did manage to jump the wall and crash through the audience).
This guy dodges the bull while it repeatedly runs around the ring and trys to hit him in order to keep him from continuing to stab it with barbed poles. Sometimes it manages to injure him. Usually, it becomes exhausted, and he kills it with a sword. The huge crowd watches the entire thing, and rates him on how well he dodges and how pretty he can look while stabbing spears into a trapped animal.
He's considered to be an impressive specimen of manhood for his ability to torture and kill the aforementioned trapped animal.

I can't imagine why anyone would have a problem with such a beautiful tradition.

That's because you are not from that culture. Thousands of people go to watch these activities every day around the world. Could this be done in the USA, probably not, because it goes against our culture. But in these countries, it's no different than you going to a baseball game. I've said it before, I don't like it, it is too barbaric for me, but who am I to tell the people of these countries that they and their culture are wrong?

Let them be them, I'm sure you wouldn't want to allow them to come into our country and tell us that we should stop doing something that is purely American.

Jim Smith

[j_h_smith]

Wow.

So I take it you're fattening up your BP and dogs for a weekend BBQ?

Appropriate animals are used for food all over the world. Just because we wouldn't eat it in the USA, doesn't mean it's not eaten in other parts of the world.

This is what I'm talking about. Stop pushing our culture onto another people.

Jim Smith

[WingedWolfPsion]

But there you go, applying your morals to another culture. I can appreciate you not wanting to harm animals, but that's your belief/morals. You can't stand in judgement of another culture that does not believe the same as you.

Why not?

[j_h_smith]

Why not?

Would you want the Indian people demanding that you stop eating beef, because they believe that cows are sacred? Would you be willing to give up your Constitutional rights because some other culture doesn't believe in one amendment or another?

Our culture is ours and no one but ourselves have the right to tell us how to live. Same goes for the Spaniards.

Jim Smith

[stratus_020202]

Would you want the Indian people demanding that you stop eating beef, because they believe that cows are sacred? Would you be willing to give up your Constitutional rights because some other culture doesn't believe in one amendment or another?

Our culture is ours and no one but ourselves have the right to tell us how to live. Same goes for the Spaniards.

Jim Smith

We're not telling them how to live. I don't agree with it, and I'm entitled to my opinion. Does that mean I would go to Spain and picket? No. I wouldn't try and change their beliefs, but I can still voice mine. It's ok to have different opinions, doesn't mean I think they should agree with me.

[j_h_smith]

We're not telling them how to live. I don't agree with it, and I'm entitled to my opinion. Does that mean I would go to Spain and picket? No. I wouldn't try and change their beliefs, but I can still voice mine. It's ok to have different opinions, doesn't mean I think they should agree with me.

Please read what I was responding to. You and your opinion mean nothing to these people, and that's what I'm trying to say.

Please read some of your posts. You most definitely feel your opinion should matter in Spain.


Jim Smith

[xdeus]

Please read what I was responding to. You and your opinion mean nothing to these people, and that's what I'm trying to say.

Please read some of your posts. You most definitely feel your opinion should matter in Spain.

Did you read the comments in the link that I posted earlier? Apparently a lot of people in Spain DO feel the same way. Maybe it just takes some perspective from outside cultures to allow them to see things differently, whether it's bullfighting in Spain or burquas in Syria. The world is getting smaller and smaller whether you like it or not...