Quote Originally Posted by Freakie_frog View Post


There is no evidence to prove or disprove this its simply speculation


Every morph you work with is "Flawed" that's what makes them different from normals..It's hypercritical to say that you except every other genetic flaw in the hobby but this one. Then talk poorly about it simply because you don't like it.


Again there isn't anything proving or disproving that its neurological. The wobble is part of the spider gene, like pink eye's with albinos, or the duck bill thing with super cinni's. You either love them or you don't..but don't try and make the breeder out to be a bad guy like they sold a defective product.


It's judged acceptable because we can look past a slight motor function issue and see a wonderful morph..


But we don't..We breed mutants, genetic freaks on purpose.


Or simply trying to calm their fears that there is something wrong with their spider..


Some might not have..then others have seen them, hatched them, fed them, and can still say that its a spider


There is no evidence that duck billing, kinking and the like is passed from parent to offspring. Over the last 8+ years it seems to only show up in the stuff you mentioned super's and caramels. With that said even normals get kinks, duck bills, little eye's big heads, cleft palates, no eyes and far far worse.


Maybe then again we'll never know..

Spiders: Love them, Hate them, breed them, or leave them alone..the choice is yours..
Me I love them and all their combos..


Where to start with that?First off (as I stated), it's simply my opinion and personal choice. Neither am I trying to flame a breeder.

Right. No evidence it's neurological? What else can it be? Spiders are not fully in control of their movements. Motor function is controlled by the brain. is it by definition neurological. Even if it is not neurological it IS non-normal behaviour for a ball python. Other morphs do not cause non normal behavior. That is why I don't like it.

I also completely disagree with you about all morphs being flaws, that is complete rubbish. They are different to normals, yes but not flawed. We breed genetic mutations NOT flaws. No other royal python gene has a problem linked with it in this way.To compare spiders wobble to pink eyes in albinos is laughable. Totally different.

I did not try to calm the OP, because it was clear form their first post they had accepted it and did not need "calming down".

I wasn't trying to take a dig at a breeder, I know i'm almost alone in my choice not to breed spiders. I wasn't judging, insulting or suggesting anyone has done something wrong in this case.