So i just found out...

[Freakie_frog]

she has every right to be upset, it sounds like it was (as usual) kept 'hush-hush' to a newbie until a sale was made.

Or perhaps the breeder figured the buyer did some research like we all should when spending loads of money on a pet or breeder and knew about the wobble

Basically spiders have this neurological problem, it is upto you to decide weather you think it's "fine" like everyone says.

There is no evidence to prove or disprove this its simply speculation

We personally chose not to work with (ie reproduce) the spider gene because of this flaw. It has however become commonly accepted because people think spiders are pretty and (like they have all said) spiders seem to manage ok (eat, poo, breed etc)

Every morph you work with is "Flawed" that's what makes them different from normals..It's hypercritical to say that you except every other genetic flaw in the hobby but this one. Then talk poorly about it simply because you don't like it.

To say it is not a big deal is wrong, I imagine it IS a big deal when you drop hundreds of dollars on your first ever ball morph only to find out about a well known neurological issue AFTER the purchase. You only say it's normal/acceptable because the breeders that are trying to sell these snakes say it is. Personally, just because they eat and shed (etc), it's no reason to class is as normal or acceptable for a ball python. Would you be happy with a normal that behaved like that?

Again there isn't anything proving or disproving that its neurological. The wobble is part of the spider gene, like pink eye's with albinos, or the duck bill thing with super cinni's. You either love them or you don't..but don't try and make the breeder out to be a bad guy like they sold a defective product.

The "spider wobble" is judged acceptable simply because it doesn't kill them, and because lots of breeders who invested $20-30 GRAND on their first spiders back in the late 90s wanted it to be a non issue and make their investments back.

It's judged acceptable because we can look past a slight motor function issue and see a wonderful morph..

If people bred mammals with such obvious defects they would be slated.

But we don't..We breed mutants, genetic freaks on purpose. Hip Displacea, heart problem, joint issues, nasal problems all of these are "common" problems in Dogs so yes they do still breed mammals with problems..

To just gloss it over to someone new to the hobby as "normal" and basically tell them to stop being upset is a little closed minded IMO.

Or simply trying to calm their fears that there is something wrong with their spider..

I would also suggest that someone with an attitude like this has never seen a spider with a real bad case of wither the wobbles or 'corkscrewing'. The worst ones are truly heartbreaking.

Some might not have..then others have seen them, hatched them, fed them, and can still say that its a spider

What will become "normal" and "acceptable" next? Will the up and coming breeders of ball morphs be telling people it's ok to breed kinked caramels and caramel combos? That it's ok to breed a super cinnamon males with a duck billed face and a kink in it's spine like a golf club?

There is no evidence that duck billing, kinking and the like is passed from parent to offspring. Over the last 8+ years it seems to only show up in the stuff you mentioned super's and caramels. With that said even normals get kinks, duck bills, little eye's big heads, cleft palates, no eyes and far far worse.

If the spider gene was discovered in the wild NOW with how the hobby is instead of being found right "back in the day" when the ball morph market was nuts would people still ignore this flaw? or would they say "we have so many other amazing looking morphs we'd prefer not to buy one that can't even tell which way is the correct way up". IMO if the spider gene was WC NOW, today, any responsible breeder would say "well this thing looks great, and it's genetic but if I can't fix this issue with new blood or outbreeding i'll leave it alone."

Maybe then again we'll never know..

Spiders: Love them, Hate them, breed them, or leave them alone..the choice is yours..
Me I love them and all their combos..