HELP!!!bp's lost in the mail what are the chances??

[Shiffy420]

he lives in vt and i live in richmond virginia. if it would take 2 days wouldn't they tell the shipper that and not guarantee it for noon today?? thanks.

[DrkstFaery69]

wow insane im a mail carrier for the usps
and ive seen instances where express mail doesnt make it by the scheduled time
when its get accidentally re routed or whatnot
any package with a confirmation scan should have full details because its supposed to be scanned at every stop but of course sometimes barcodes are overlooked.
im really sorry youre going thru this i would be freaking out
i hope your snakes arrive tomorrow in good condition

[Shiffy420]

oh yeah def. some freaking out. my sister and girlfriend said i was making them nervous while i waited earlier today, pacing the house on hold w/ usps and "running to the blinds like a crackhead everytime i heard a car" but the closer it got till 5 the more anxious i got. now i've pretty much just accepted theres nothing i can do but wait. I'm supposed to go out of town for a meeting on monday. if they aren't here tom. there's noooo way i'm goin anywhere. i just hope they are here tom. i will keep u all informed. again fingers crossed.

[Shiffy420]

also to anybody that works at the post office. if it was confiscated, when i call all these ppl that look the info up on the computer wouldn't they see it was confiscated and tell me and not look for it andkeep giving me all these numbers to call?? thanks...

[Big Gunns]

Hey Big,

It was USPS not UPS.

Do you read these posts or just start mouthing off with no regard to the people posting.

Bill

It depends, if it's before 8pm BG will read them...the later it gets..the lazier BG gets. This was early so BG must not have had his diet coke and didn't read it properly.

It must feel real good Billyboy(pound your chest a couple times) that you found something that you could pounce on The Man, The Myth, the Legend in his own mind about. Everyone give three cheers to Bill. He took on Big Gunns....and was right. He deserves three cookies and a bowl of rice crispies.

oh yes, it was shipped via usps. I was told it was going out fedex on wed. I told him they never got here and he's frantically called as many numbers as i have, a lot of the ppl i talk to have allready talked to him and know the situation BUT can't find it. This is a disaster. As for getting my money back if they died wow i payed with 2 postal money orders so wtf. i just donn't even want to think about it cause it's gonna suck i'm sure i'm just hoping they arrive alive tom. ok

USPS is illegal. You're going to jail. BG is turning you in for making a fool of him.

Until the post below yours - no where have I seen the OP confirm that it was sent through USPS - and I've seen many a member say that their animals came through the "mail" when in fact it was shipped UPS and Fedex.

Might want to take it down a notch or two before doing exactly what you just accused BG of doing.

Don't worry Rabs...Billyboy the Big Gunns crusher was right. It does say USPS. Big Gunns isn't gonna be able to sleep for weeks. He made a mistake. Someone please console BG....he's crushed.:tears

Just to clarify one more time - did they use the US Postal Service (US Mail) or did they ship via FedEx or UPS (brown)? Big difference between number 1 and the other two. You can also be in huge trouble violating the Lacey act if this guy shipped snakes through the USPS (government) vs. FedEx or UPS.

This post lists both USPS and FedEx

Yep...he's going to the slammer. BG is gonna make sure of it.

Who the heck did you buy them from?

The problem is, IF it is a carrier error, you are going to get no relief from USPS because the seller should not have shipped them that way.

I would call the Post Office and make it clear you had no idea they shipped via USPS, tell them there are live animals in the box, and see what they can do.

I see this ending badly...

Dave

You must be outta your mind. BG can "see this ending badly"....if he takes your advice for sure. Don't even try and do that. If the shipper says you knew....you're done.

Hi rabernet,

It appears to me it was in the original post, and was mentioned a time or two before his post about it being USPS....You have to read very carefully and I am sure it was an honest mistake on his part, but this guy goes around bullying up the site and I am tired of his unjustified remarks.

Regards,
Bill

Billyboy........Big Gunns...the BIG BAD BULLY.

Did Big Gunns ever mention to you one of his many original sayings Billy my boy?

"Arrogance only bothers the weak".

Sometimes it takes a while Billy my boy. Read BG's sig.

I used to be on bp.net all the time but have given up on it lately.... but once BG started posted I am addicted again. I find him ammusing and I do not see why everyone can't stand him BG is my hero!!!

BG's fans even come out of retirement for BG.

if this isn't a reputable breeder you're dealing with...doesn't this sound like some sort of scam? 1800 seems like a LOT for a super pastel and a bumblebee...

and i'm even up in Canada, where the prices for BP morphs are MUCH higher priced

Katia???? Just because someone sells their animals for more money than others it doesn't mean they're a scammer. All snakes are not created equal. Some people believe their snakes are worth more, and some people will pay more.

You should have found out their size before you said the word "scam" girl.

You're in the BG dog house again.

He just does not read the replies and it drives me nuts. He contradicts himself and goes on and on about posts that he misreads. I am sure he is a great guy, but get your facts straight. Than post away.

Bill

BG reads 90% of the threads, but sometimes when he sees people like you posting...BG admits...he skips it. After all...it only matter what BG says anyway.

We all want to know who this guy is? He totally owes you every dime of your money back. Who would use USPS in the year 2009. I hate mailing a letter with the USPS.

Bill

Billyboy is about to pounce all over this guy isn't he?

Again,

I don't want to seem like this is an OK situation. This breeder basically sent cash to this individual and he just totally messed up. Please keep us informed. It is never about money with me and snakes. It always about the snakes. I hate to mention that USPS is basically useless on the weekends, well again when I think about they are just useless. The government needs to sell it off and keep working on health care....

Bill

Bills ready to kill him again. He has the knife ready.

I hope that your snakes get to you alive and well. I would deffently keep them QT and a littler warmer to makes sure no RI develope. I would also be filing a complaint about being shipped next day and then not delivered until X days later and that the reptiles health was put at risk, to both the seller and TO the shipper once ( if ) you get them alive, if dead I be calling both and filing some sort of claim and demanding your fund back from the breeder due to his screw up.

As posted before I post this on fauna's site in the BOI forum and see if this guy done so before, and it then possible contacting kingsnake with the info and links as this does sound like a possible breach of their rules ( not got an account so not sure)..

I also think it shoul alway s be about the snakes over money.

The guy is doomed.

Hey,

I did want to mention that it appears Dan is a good guy. He just made a big mistake and there is no way he is not going to fully take care of you. You did nothing wrong and I can't believe Dan will not rectify this situation fully.

Regards and Good Luck,
Bill

Oh wait. Billyboy went to the BOI and found out the breeder is a good guy. Billy has put his weapons away. Darn it, BG wanted to see Bily whup somebody. Bg will have to wait until next time.

Ok, here's what the law says:

If you RECEIVE the snakes, KNOWING they were mailed to you in an improperly marked package, you ARE breaking the Lacey Act law. And the fines are very high if you are caught. It's not only the shipper who is cited, but also the receiver.

Your only recourse to avoid becoming an accomplice is to reject the package when it arrives. But of course, no compassionate person would do such a thing, because the animals would most likely die as a result of it.

This is how these bad shippers keep going on the way they are--they make their buyers into accomplices. Anyone who signs for and accepts such a package cannot make a complaint, because they themselves are in violation of the law.

This is obviously a very BIG problem with the Lacey Act, but at the moment, that is the way things are.

And I'm sorry, but no one who ships a snake through USPS is a good guy. Maybe they were once, but this behavior pretty much eliminates it. That's like saying 'oh, this guy deliberately sent me a dead snake once, but that was just one incident, he's always been a good guy to deal with'. REALLY???

But this is even worse. This is turning his customer into a criminal, as well as risking the lives of the animals the customer paid for. How is this the behavior of a GOOD guy?

BG was gonna say this also. You're both going to jail for many years for this...and BG is gonna make sure of it for making him make a mistake.

Ok i have read every single post. First off I agree with those who think we have an overly jumpy moderator who should not be bashing people so fast before reading entire posts. Whats that job description again??

As for the snakes.

The seller might be a "good guy" but you only need to make one HUGE mistake like this to ruin your reputation.

I could completely understand if he did ship via FedEx or UPS and the snakes were lost as long as he did reinburse you but he didnt. In fact he flat out lied to you, his high paying customer.

As a reputable breeder he should know the horrible consequences if he chose to take that shortcut.

Its not that he didnt know. Or he is new to the game. He knew and he lied. That is where the difference is. Does everyone really think that he should be allowed to keep his untarnished reputation even if he makes this right?

It would be one thing if he shipped FedEx like he said he did. Then lost the snakes and refunded the buyer. That would be what a responsible person would do. It would deserves respect and understanding that the mistake was not his fault & he did in fact make it right.

This is not what happened. He was fully aware its illegal to ship through the mail. This "good guy" of a breeder is a liar. That is bad business. Period.

You have my condolences and i seriously do hope the snakes arrive ok for you.

Hey Draig...you stop picking on Rabby. Billyboy was bashing Big Gunns so he deserved a few lashes from the mods.

Let me say this also. We are ASSUMING that this seller said he was gonna ship it UPS or Fed X. Now he may have lied about how he was gonna ship it, or there may have been a misunderstanding of how he was gonna ship it. BG misunderstood...so if BG can make that mistake....any normal human can. We really need to hear from the shipper before saying he lied for sure.

Hi,

I was only implying that this guy has a clean past and has not been noted for messing things up before. So I was only trying to ease the buyers mind that Dan should fix things and rectify any monetary loss. I am not or did not imply he should move on with a clean slate. Not at all. But lets wait and get the full story before Dan Foley is hung without a fair trial. You all know the drill. And thank you for addressing the administrator. I never got an apology.

Regards,
Bill

Billyboy....the humanitarian. After you got him all worked up you decided to find out a leeetle info on the shipper and found out he was a good guy. THEN you decide to "ease the buyers mind". Maybe you should have found out about the shipper first Billyboy.

Would somebody please apologize to Billy...he's about to cry over here.

No idea who that breeder is at this point I don’t even care if he is a good guy either.

There is absolutely NO excuse to ship a snake via USPS, people like this make the rest of us look bad and right now it’s only adding fuel to the fire. We are fighting for our right to keep our animal and someone goes and does that……………..WTF


To the OP I hope your animal are delivered tomorrow and are safe and sound however I would not drop the issue and report the seller in question
…………………………

Yep...he shouldn't have sent them USPS. Hopefully it all turns out good.

Hey,

I was thinking the same but I am assuming they where proven breeders.

Bill

Billyboy....you know what they say about people that "ASSume".


ps. Something tells Big Gunns it's gonna take just a leeetle bit longer before Billyboy(jessandyballs) is in the Big Gunns fan club.

pps. Don't worry OP....BG would never turn yah in. If it was Billyboy though.

[SquamishSerpents]

Katia???? Just because someone sells their animals for more money than others it doesn't mean they're a scammer. All snakes are not created equal. Some people believe their snakes are worth more, and some people will pay more.

You should have found out their size before you said the word "scam" girl.

You're in the BG dog house again.

i definitely understand the concept of "you get what you pay for" being into the whole tattoo scene. the saying goes for anything. tattoos, snakes, photographic prints, even cars. yes i know, i should have found out the sizes before but, with snakes lost in transition i don't really think that's the most important thing here. i was just shocked to see them being so expensive because everytime i look at even proven adult breeder prices in US funds, they are almost always hundreds of dollars lower than CAN funds. snake morphs are not nearly as readily available up here.

the reason i was so quick to jump and say "SCAMMER" was because someone tried to pull a scam on me once, with a pied female. they pushed and pushed and pushed asking for my credit card # and that as soon as i give them my credit card # they would "ship the snake right away," and they were apparently from saudi arabia or something like that (i forget the specifics) and had a business name that i could find nowhere on the internet, and no information about.

i have never heard anyone being so pushy, so at that point i just told them i do not have a credit card, and they immediately said "ok thanks bye" in a foreign accent, and then hung up.

i see now it's clearly not a scam, but the transaction clearly didn't go the way it was supposed to. i'm still rooting for these snakes to turn up safe and alive!!

[Big Gunns]

i definitely understand the concept of "you get what you pay for" being into the whole tattoo scene. the saying goes for anything. tattoos, snakes, photographic prints, even cars. yes i know, i should have found out the sizes before but, with snakes lost in transition i don't really think that's the most important thing here. i was just shocked to see them being so expensive because everytime i look at even proven adult breeder prices in US funds, they are almost always hundreds of dollars lower than CAN funds. snake morphs are not nearly as readily available up here.

the reason i was so quick to jump and say "SCAMMER" was because someone tried to pull a scam on me once, with a pied female. they pushed and pushed and pushed asking for my credit card # and that as soon as i give them my credit card # they would "ship the snake right away," and they were apparently from saudi arabia or something like that (i forget the specifics) and had a business name that i could find nowhere on the internet, and no information about.

i have never heard anyone being so pushy, so at that point i just told them i do not have a credit card, and they immediately said "ok thanks bye" in a foreign accent, and then hung up.

i see now it's clearly not a scam, but the transaction clearly didn't go the way it was supposed to. i'm still rooting for these snakes to turn up safe and alive!!

It's just one of Big Gunns many pet peev's. BG hates it when the "forum police" always ASSUME the worst of the breeder without knowing all the facts. You wouldn't like it if your name came up in a thread that had the word "scammer" in it now would you?

You're outta the dog house.....for now.

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

BG.. We are not assuming the shipper said he would ship via fedex or ups. You missed that part too. Read back. The poster said that the shipper stated he always ships via fedex. That means the shipper lied. If was obviously asked what shipping methods he uses. He told the buyer he always ships via fedex. He then shipped via us mail. Better hurry and drink your caffene.

[joepythons]

It depends, if it's before 8pm BG will read them...the later it gets..the lazier BG gets. This was early so BG must not have had his diet coke and didn't read it properly.

It must feel real good Billyboy(pound your chest a couple times) that you found something that you could pounce on The Man, The Myth, the Legend in his own mind about. Everyone give three cheers to Bill. He took on Big Gunns....and was right. He deserves three cookies and a bowl of rice crispies.




USPS is illegal. You're going to jail. BG is turning you in for making a fool of him.




Don't worry Rabs...Billyboy the Big Gunns crusher was right. It does say USPS. Big Gunns isn't gonna be able to sleep for weeks. He made a mistake. Someone please console BG....he's crushed.:tears




Yep...he's going to the slammer. BG is gonna make sure of it.




You must be outta your mind. BG can "see this ending badly"....if he takes your advice for sure. Don't even try and do that. If the shipper says you knew....you're done.




Billyboy........Big Gunns...the BIG BAD BULLY.

Did Big Gunns ever mention to you one of his many original sayings Billy my boy?

"Arrogance only bothers the weak".

Sometimes it takes a while Billy my boy. Read BG's sig.





BG's fans even come out of retirement for BG.



Katia???? Just because someone sells their animals for more money than others it doesn't mean they're a scammer. All snakes are not created equal. Some people believe their snakes are worth more, and some people will pay more.

You should have found out their size before you said the word "scam" girl.

You're in the BG dog house again.



BG reads 90% of the threads, but sometimes when he sees people like you posting...BG admits...he skips it. After all...it only matter what BG says anyway.






Billyboy is about to pounce all over this guy isn't he?



Bills ready to kill him again. He has the knife ready.



The guy is doomed.



Oh wait. Billyboy went to the BOI and found out the breeder is a good guy. Billy has put his weapons away. Darn it, BG wanted to see Bily whup somebody. Bg will have to wait until next time.




BG was gonna say this also. You're both going to jail for many years for this...and BG is gonna make sure of it for making him make a mistake.




Hey Draig...you stop picking on Rabby. Billyboy was bashing Big Gunns so he deserved a few lashes from the mods.

Let me say this also. We are ASSUMING that this seller said he was gonna ship it UPS or Fed X. Now he may have lied about how he was gonna ship it, or there may have been a misunderstanding of how he was gonna ship it. BG misunderstood...so if BG can make that mistake....any normal human can. We really need to hear from the shipper before saying he lied for sure.



Billyboy....the humanitarian. After you got him all worked up you decided to find out a leeetle info on the shipper and found out he was a good guy. THEN you decide to "ease the buyers mind". Maybe you should have found out about the shipper first Billyboy.

Would somebody please apologize to Billy...he's about to cry over here.



Yep...he shouldn't have sent them USPS. Hopefully it all turns out good.



Billyboy....you know what they say about people that "ASSume".


ps. Something tells Big Gunns it's gonna take just a leeetle bit longer before Billyboy(jessandyballs) is in the Big Gunns fan club.

pps. Don't worry OP....BG would never turn yah in. If it was Billyboy though.

I have a suggestion for you.Instead of this gibberish third person talk.Why dont you try to help someone instead of blabbering?

[Shiffy420]

OK UPDATE. it's 4:30 in the morning and i woke up and my laptop was right there on the night stand open so i clicked refresh not expecting anything new on the tracking screen and it popped back up on the radar at the shipping facility in richmond va where i live!!!!!!!i just jumped up all gung ho trying to call around and find it and go get it and yeah nothings open and nobody to talk to. guess i gotta just go back to bed on that note but they will be here in the morning OMG i hope they are ok pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase be ok now that they popped up. i'll let u know in a few more hours.....