Caramels - Are they worth purchasing?

[Bill Buchman]

The talk that outcrossing Caramels and different lines to produce non kinked babies is just that, talk. I know of a male Caramel being bred to several Het Caramels from different lines, and the babies came out looking like someone karate chopped them in the middle.

Outcrossing MIGHT help in the long run, dry or moist incubation MIGHT help in the future, but I have talked to two big breeders about the issue, and one sold out of their Caramels completly. One is trying lower incubation temps, and less humid egg boxes.....

I will say that I feel the opposite is happening, not that the Ultramel owners are saying that Caramels kink, but that Caramel owners are saying they don't kink, or don't kink all the time.....

I know for a fact that Caramels kink, and that just because you outcross them, does not mean they will not kink.

Dave

Dave, The belief/opinion that Caramels kink, if not stated directly by Ultramel purchasers, is certainly directly implied.

Why else would would one pay $6000 for an Ultramel (roughly $5000 MORE than a Caramel) when it is just as likely to produce combos that are similar as they are to produce something dramatically different or better?