Buying offline...

[I<3Dreamsicles]

It just might be he has read this thread.
If it is one you want ask him to send a couple of pictures to you.

Thats sort of what I was thinking. That would be random though.
If it is one ? one what? I asked him to send more pics.

[Eventide]

So...whether PayPal will refund you or not is kind of tricksty.

If you pay for something and you do not receive anything...and the buyer doesn't produce a tracking number that says the package was delivered, then PayPal will usually refund you.

However, the problem comes when the scammer sends you any package at all. He could send you an empty box, and as long as he can show that he shipped a package to your PayPal address and it was delivered, then you probably won't get refunded.

That's how it seems to happen. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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As for the guy selling the snake, since he apologized and you really want the snake, I'd do the pic with current newspaper thing. If he follows through, then you're probably okay.

[I<3Dreamsicles]

i heard that if you receive an empty box they say its a successfull transaction

wtf. thats messed up. yes congrats they shipped a box, the only problem is. its just that. A BOX.

and shhh dont give them any ideas

So...whether PayPal will refund you or not is kind of tricksty.

If you pay for something and you do not receive anything...and the buyer doesn't produce a tracking number that says the package was delivered, then PayPal will usually refund you.

However, the problem comes when the scammer sends you any package at all. He could send you an empty box, and as long as he can show that he shipped a package to your PayPal address and it was delivered, then you probably won't get refunded.

That's how it seems to happen. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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As for the guy selling the snake, since he apologized and you really want the snake, I'd do the pic with current newspaper thing. If he follows through, then you're probably okay.

It sounds to me like pay pal doesnt have very good customer service?

Yeah I do really want/like the snake. its a pretty good looker.

[m00kfu]

wtf. thats messed up. yes congrats they shipped a box, the only problem is. its just that. A BOX.

Yep, they sent you a box. Whether it's empty or not doesn't really matter from Paypal's end. Who's to say they didn't send you exactly what they were supposed to, and now you're just trying to scam them and get something for free? It happens.

[I<3Dreamsicles]

Yep, they sent you a box. Whether it's empty or not doesn't really matter from Paypal's end. Who's to say they didn't send you exactly what they were supposed to, and now you're just trying to scam them and get something for free? It happens.

yeah. idk. thats messed up though. maybe they should weigh the stuff at the shipping facilitys. empty box = less then box + snake. or if they add junk... might be more. idk. pay pal doesnt seem worth much to me...

[Stewart_Reptiles]

yeah. idk. thats messed up though. maybe they should weigh the stuff at the shipping facilitys. empty box = less then box + snake. or if they add junk... might be more. idk. pay pal doesnt seem worth much to me...

Problem is that when shipped through fedex or UPS shippers are being billed for a dimensional weight.

[I<3Dreamsicles]

Yeah, they should use actual weight though. Not for the shipping cost, but just to know something about the package.

[Serpent_Nirvana]

Yep, they sent you a box. Whether it's empty or not doesn't really matter from Paypal's end. Who's to say they didn't send you exactly what they were supposed to, and now you're just trying to scam them and get something for free? It happens.

On the other hand, I have also heard that, if the seller does not record any proof that they sent the item, the buyer could receive it, love it, file a PayPal complaint and get their money refunded for an item that they have now essentially stolen.

That's really only applicable to dry goods that can be sent USPS, though, because UPS and FedEx will always have tracking numbers (I think).

[Eventide]

On the other hand, I have also heard that, if the seller does not record any proof that they sent the item, the buyer could receive it, love it, file a PayPal complaint and get their money refunded for an item that they have now essentially stolen.

That's why you remove the money from the account after you get it. If there isn't any money in the account, PayPal can't refund it. This is great if you're a good person and don't want to be scammed. It's bad in that scammers do this all the time and leave those scammed up a creek.

[I<3Dreamsicles]

he got back to me with another pic with his # by it. Its deffinatley the same snake. Looks different then the first pic but still looks nice. the first pic the black was really light for some reason and looked greyish so the blushing looked way more intense. he says hes gonna send me more pics tomorrow too.