Like I said, I've owned a Macklott's, but at least in IL, liasis aren't popular at all. I saw all of the species you named at Tinley last week, but other than 3 savus, I dion't see any liasis, and I was asking around, because I wanted a pair of macklott's. There is also a bi-monthly show here with over 100 tables, and I rarely see a single liasis animal, while there are indigos and cribos, monitors and ackies, pines and gophers, etc. It's obviously not impossible to find liasis on the net, or probably in some areas locally, but the fact of the matter is; they are very unpopular for being such great snakes in so many ways. Especially when compared to similar boids.