PAM ripped me off?

[muddoc]

i got your problem fix right here
go to a store like walmart or a pet store

get HARTZ FLEA & TICK POWDER for CATS

put the snakes infected in their own bag and dump a good coating onto the snake , tie off the bag leave in over night .
then clean your cages /tubs whatever you use . and sprinkle some in with your substrate . the next day look over the snake to make sure all are dead and place snake back in its cage .

this way even works on eliminating eggs from producing cause it gets under the scales .

1 night in a bag an all mites on snake are dead ..

i use it religously and i dont use anything else and i dont have out breaks .
and its perfectly harmless to the snakes ..

I would say that if you use it religiously, then it is not very effective. In keeping snakes for 7 years, I have only had to treat mites twice, both times from bringing in snakes from someone else. If you don't have outbrakes, then why are you using it religiously? I'm not busting your chops, I am just confused.

Equate Bedding Spray, Walmart.


Ok once again here we go.

Go to Walmart and buy Equate Bedding Spray

Provent a mite ingredients are 99.5% and .5% Permethrin

Equate Bedding spray has the exact same amount of permethrin and Inert ingredients. The can is 4$

I have used it for many years. It works, and there isnt anything better IMO.

PLEEEEEASE follow these instructions

Remove snake from cage
Remove water from cage
Spray the spray all around the cage(not the snake or water), do not try to soak the cage, not necessary.
Leave the snake and water out for an Hour(actually a lot less but I am extra cautious)
Put snake and water back in and repeat in 30 days.....odds are the second treatment wont be needed. You will not see mites again.

Permethrin will kill snakes when airborn......so use caution.

Good Luck

As Jamie stated, the amount of Permethrin is equivalent in PAM and Equate, however, the 99.5% of inert chemicals is not listed on either can, and could very well be drastically different. With that said, I have never used PAM. I have been very successful at treating mites with Equate, and currently have a can of BKII that I use as a preventive measure when we treat cages of animals that we have brought to a show.

This is going nowhere. Let me ask you, are all these other people you know who use it importers? If so then I see why they would want would to use the cheapest product possible to get the mites of the animals they want to turn around and ship out to customers. Most people who have a small collection at home aren't bringing in new, imported animals regularly and a can of PAM (remember, that's the only product approved for use with reptiles) will last them YEARS. If even the potential for harming an animal isn't enough to persuade someone spend $20 on a can of PAM, how much do they really care about the health of their animals? The fact is, you really don't know what happens to the animals after they leave your facility. You haven't put money into research and development. You haven't done any scientific tests. My support of the use of PAM isn't a theory. I'll just have to continue recommending what I know is safe because I am not willing to have the death of someone else's animals on my conscience.

Jamie,
I just wanted to clarify that I don't think a can of PAM will last for YEARS. I say this because I remember the shelf life of PAM being 1 year. However, I couldn't find the shelf life on the site to confirm this. Maybe you or someone else has inquired about shelf life before and could answer that question for us.