Big Daddy Ballroom?

Hi im going to be purchasing a 100% het pied female from this place. I found him on Kingsnake. Has anyone done business with them?

I would read this thread first. There are similar ones in Fauna's BOI.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ighlight=daddy

Btw, I think they are the same. Big Daddy's Wholesale is the breeder in the threads. I'll double check just in case.

Is Big Daddy Ballroom the same guy as Big Daddy's Wholesale? Because Big Daddy Whole advertises as "Big Daddy's Wholesale" on KS last I knew, not Big Daddy Ballroom.

From what I've found so far, yes. Allen Belcher.

Yes they are one and the same :mad:. http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1725386,1725386

Now everyone has been warned. http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...988#post752988

Run quickly and in the complete opposite direction. Allen Belcher is someone I would NEVER consider buying from. Just saying his name makes me itchy.

thanks guys he was going to sell me a 100% het pied female thats 1000g for 750 shipped so it looked like a good deal. thank you

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Originally Posted by kon1

thanks guys he was going to sell me a 100% het pied female thats 1000g for 750 shipped so it looked like a good deal. thank you

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Unless you want IBD in your collection steer clear of him ;).

Wonder if the local F&W would shut him down?

I have bough from Allen, and he seems like a real nice guy. From what I understand, there has been a lot of thing blown way out of proportion that he has tried to resolve, but once flaming on the net gets started there is no way to stop it. He told me that people are upset with him, and want to run him out of the business, because he drops his prices before most others. People feel that he is a market crasher, and want him gone. I am not saying that I personally know him, but I have bought from him and am very happy with my purchase.

Hope this helps.

Everyone that has said negative things about him in this thread, have you personally done any business with him, or are you just basing your opinion on what others have said about him? Just wondering.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

Everyone that has said negative things about him in this thread, have you personally done any business with him, or are you just basing your opinion on what others have said about him? Just wondering.

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There are threads about him that have nothing to do with his price dropping. I would worry more about the potential for unhealthy animals coming out of his facility. He has a history of being shady that is out there for everyone to see.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

I have bough from Allen, and he seems like a real nice guy. From what I understand, there has been a lot of thing blown way out of proportion that he has tried to resolve, but once flaming on the net gets started there is no way to stop it. He told me that people are upset with him, and want to run him out of the business, because he drops his prices before most others. People feel that he is a market crasher, and want him gone. I am not saying that I personally know him, but I have bought from him and am very happy with my purchase.

Hope this helps.

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When this all started i contacted Allen directly.He started this line of bull just like he told you that everyone is picking on him because he is a good ole boy :rolleyes:.Point blank he is scum! His prices have nothing to do with it.Its called IBD in his collection and thats enough for me to steer clear of him.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

Everyone that has said negative things about him in this thread, have you personally done any business with him, or are you just basing your opinion on what others have said about him? Just wondering.

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The proof of IBD being in some snakes he sold was enough for me to avoid him.

Take a look at these pics and the proof and then see if you want to buy from him. http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...light=bigdaddy

Ive talked to him in person and I would never do business with him. Hes the most arrogant person Ive ever met. He labels his snakes as something "Special" When they are not. His purple haze retics are nothing but purple retics there no different then bobclarks, prehistoric pets, mike wilbanks. His hypo burms are not hypos. They look nothing more then indian crosses

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Originally Posted by joepythons

The proof of IBD being in some snakes he sold was enough for me to avoid him.

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He told me that he has never had IBD, and there was no proof. He said that if someone could prove that he sold a snake with IBD that he would make the situation right. From what he said, and I have heard many other say, vets will diagnose a snake with IBD anytime it has a neurological problem. I have even heard of vets diagnosing spider balls with IBD because they don't know what else it could be.

I don't know whether the snake had IBD or not, but if his collection had IBD, then all of his ball pythons would have been dead within weeks. But this is years later, and he still has his collection, which to me proves that it could not have been IBD.

My opinion is that the BOI is there to keep me from buying from a breeder (or broker, whatever) that could be selling sick snakes, fake hets, etc. So, unless there is one negative post about someone but several positive ones, I will have to take the feedback posted on the BOI at face value. And there are way too many negative posts about the seller in question for me to even consider buying from him.

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Originally Posted by MuzeBallPythons

My opinion is that the BOI is there to keep me from buying from a breeder (or broker, whatever) that could be selling sick snakes, fake hets, etc. So, unless there is one negative post about someone but several positive ones, I will have to take the feedback posted on the BOI at face value. And there are way too many negative posts about the seller in question for me to even consider buying from him.

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My question is how many people have actually done business with him and had a bad experience? I have read over many of the negative posts and it seems to me that one person claims to have a bad experience then everyone else jumbs on the bandwagon. Personally, I have had a good experience with him; although, I have only dealt with him one time. He seems to sell out every year, and produced a lot of snakes, so I am sure that there are others that have had good experience with him also. He actually told me not to defend him on the net because people would probably turn against me, but I am not that type of person. I am not defending his character or saying that others are lying about him, but I have had a good experience with him and would consider buying from him again.

One bad experience reported with a breeder is enough for me.

Why risk dealing with someone who has a few dings on their reputation when there are so many more breeders out there with flawless reputations.

Save your money and buy from a reputable dealer.

Stay away from Allen.

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

One bad experience reported with a breeder is enough for me.

Why risk dealing with someone who has a few dings on their reputation when there are so many more breeders out there with flawless reputations.

Save your money and buy from a reputable dealer.

Stay away from Allen.

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What if the bad rep was from a misunderstanding or an outright lie? I would hate for one dis-satisfied customer to ruin my whole business, or someone who lies about me. I remember a post on here a while back where someone was saying that they had a bad experience with BHB and that people should not buy from him. Would you not buy from BHB now since one person said they had a bad experience with him? I highly doubt it. I knew that poster was lying, so it did not let it change my opinion on BHB.

Another thing, Allen told me that he invited a few of the people to visit his facility that was making these accusations against him. He said that he even offered to pay for their trips. They all refused.

Eddie: Come on man. I have the utmost respect for you and think you are a quality person, but please take some time to read the posts and the eye witness accounts by Byron Adzic from the time that he worked for Allen Belcher. Belcher is a first rate slimebag. Like everyone else has said, what I have seen is enough evidence for me.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

What if the bad rep was from a misunderstanding or an outright lie? I would hate for one dis-satisfied customer to ruin my whole business, or someone who lies about me. I remember a post on here a while back where someone was saying that they had a bad experience with BHB and that people should not buy from him. Would you not buy from BHB now since one person said they had a bad experience with him? I highly doubt it. I knew that poster was lying, so it did not let it change my opinion on BHB.

Another thing, Allen told me that he invited a few of the people to visit his facility that was making these accusations against him. He said that he even offered to pay for their trips. They all refused.

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This isn't the case of one person saying he is a bad guy and everyone else disagreeing. The consensus in this industry is that Allen Belcher is a bad guy. The numerous threads back that up. You don't see these threads even started about good guys.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Eddie: Come on man. I have the utmost respect for you and think you are a quality person, but please take some time to read the posts and the eye witness accounts by Byron Adzic from the time that he worked for Allen Belcher. Belcher is a first rate slimebag. Like everyone else has said, what I have seen is enough evidence for me.

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I am not saying that he isn't because he may as well be. I am just saying that I can see his side of the matter.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

What if the bad rep was from a misunderstanding or an outright lie? I would hate for one dis-satisfied customer to ruin my whole business, or someone who lies about me. I remember a post on here a while back where someone was saying that they had a bad experience with BHB and that people should not buy from him. Would you not buy from BHB now since one person said they had a bad experience with him? I highly doubt it. I knew that poster was lying, so it did not let it change my opinion on BHB.

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First off....comparing BHB to Allen is comical.

Second of all. It is as simple by reviewing the breeders feedback. I have heard WAY more bad experiences with Allen than I have good. You may be the 4th or 5th person I have heard of who has had a successful experience.

Again...I know MANY breeders who have great reputations. Why gamble on doing business with Allen when there are SO many bad experiences reported?

I feel absolutely horrible for his animals... http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...97&postcount=2

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

First off....comparing BHB to Allen is comical.

Second of all. It is as simple by reviewing the breeders feedback. I have heard WAY more bad experiences with Allen than I have good. You may be the 4th or 5th person I have heard of who has had a successful experience.

Again...I know MANY breeders who have great reputations. Why gamble on doing business with Allen when there are SO many bad experiences reported?

I feel absolutely horrible for his animals... http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...97&postcount=2

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I wasn't comparing him to BHB. I was just using BHB as an example. I know that there is no comparison of the two.

I can't check fauna because I am at work, but I will check it later once I am at home.

In my defence, I bought the animals from him before I checked fauna. I called him after about it becasue I was worried about IBD. He told me his side of the story, which is what I am relaying to you. BTW, the animals that I got from him are all still doing great.

I am sorry, but other than maybe a couple of people that have had something positive to say, all I've ever heard (not just on the BOI, but also from local breeders) has been very negative. I can't say that I have purchased from him (which I did not say), but that is because I would not purchase from him. I understand what you are saying, and I am all for giving the benefit of the doubt, but I posted in this thread because in this case I believe buying from him could be a mistake.

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Originally Posted by MuzeBallPythons

I am sorry, but other than maybe a couple of people that have had something positive to say, all I've ever heard (not just on the BOI, but also from local breeders) has been very negative. I can't say that I have purchased from him (which I did not say), but that is because I would not purchase from him. I understand what you are saying, and I am all for giving the benefit of the doubt, but I posted in this thread because in this case I believe buying from him could be a mistake.

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I respect that and was not trying to call you out. I was just wondering. From everyone that I personally have talked to that have had negative things to say about him, none have acutally ever done any business with him.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

I respect that and was not trying to call you out. I was just wondering. From everyone that I personally have talked to that have had negative things to say about him, none have acutally ever done any business with him.

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No worries. I am not on the defensive. And if you had a positive experience, then you should report it as such.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

He told me that he has never had IBD, and there was no proof. He said that if someone could prove that he sold a snake with IBD that he would make the situation right. From what he said, and I have heard many other say, vets will diagnose a snake with IBD anytime it has a neurological problem. I have even heard of vets diagnosing spider balls with IBD because they don't know what else it could be.

I don't know whether the snake had IBD or not, but if his collection had IBD, then all of his ball pythons would have been dead within weeks. But this is years later, and he still has his collection, which to me proves that it could not have been IBD.

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Well then why does a vet say otherwise? Allen has said at first he never sold said snake to this person then later backs down and runs.He is point blank scum,read the proof for yourself.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...hlight=warning

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

Another thing, Allen told me that he invited a few of the people to visit his facility that was making these accusations against him. He said that he even offered to pay for their trips. They all refused.

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Wow once again another Allen lie :mad:.I took him up on his offer and at the end he backed out not me!!! I was going to go to his place and inspect it and come back and write on what i saw.Well since i wanted to bring someone else with me he changed his mind.I am not stupid to go there without someone else incase he got ignorant or something,but he wanted his local dog pound guy to be there :rolleyes:.Allen is a lier from the get go!!

Aww Allen is here lets here more lies :rolleyes:

What good is it to have people come down for a visit when you know they are be going there? Does child services tell a mother suspected of negligence when they plan to drop by? No they don't. Why would they want to give her the opportunity to clean up the house and look presentable? Same applies here. Allen would probably tell the person to come on a Monday so he has the weekend to clean up the disgusting, deplorable conditions that existed when Bryon took those photos.

Here is the proof that i was going to Allens but he backed out.Wow once again proof that he is a lier. http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ythons&page=13

Why is it every couple months we have to prove to people about why to avoid Allen Belcher :confused: :weirdface? My god AVOID ALLEN BELCHER IBD IS WHY

Well Allen was here but i guess he does not want to share his thoughts with us :rolleyes:

Joe,

Dude..Give it a rest for a little while. The constant rambling posts will have you looking like a kook and people will ignore the important message here.

What he is asking is have any of you who are so openly arrogant about me being such a bad person with IBD snakes ever bought from me!
I will answer the question for you since it is being avoided. The answer is NO see people like to take an (opinion) which we all know what those are like and run with it. Try to follow this example: Because Jill's boyfriends, sister's, best friends, dad's, girlfriends, brother's, Bosses, ex-wives, sisters, boyfriend- said that he heard I did Bubba wrong or had something that didn't look right, then I must be scum. What is funny is that when you talk straight to bubba about the situation the story is not as you heard it. I have had 1 person who claims he bought a snake from me many years ago that had IBD. After talking to the vet and the kid on several ocassions, It was discovered that I did not even sell him the snake, just as I claimed the entire time. Joe my friend who it still hard for me. If I had IBD in my collection it would not be the government who we would be worried about shutting our industry down. With the number of snakes that I produce and sell ever year from my facilities. I would be what was feared. As I have said many times before, I have done my research and homework about the disease. I even went to Gainsville to The University of Florida where the disease was discovered and talked with Pete himself. Pythons can not live with the disease or be carriers of the disease. If I had IBD I would have been out of business along time ago, along with a large mass of the reptile community. Stop bustin' my balls over something that is bullcrap. We are 1/3 through this month and I have already shipped out over 80 snakes this month, I also sold/traded over 130 snake at the Hamburg show. I have a guy flying in and picking up over 40 more this weekend. On top of all this I have over 100 eggs hatching this week alone. Bottomline is that I could not continue to have successful breeding seasons with unhealthy, not cared for or diseased snakes. Anyone who has bred snakes can testify to that. You have to be doing everything right and still have either good luck or God on your side to pull it off. ;)
Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy

What he is asking is have any of you who are so openly arrogant about me being such a bad person with IBD snakes ever bought from me!
I will answer the question for you since it is being avoided. The answer is NO see people like to take an (opinion) which we all know what those are like and run with it. Try to follow this example: Because Jill's boyfriends, sister's, best friends, dad's, girlfriends, brother's, Bosses, ex-wives, sisters, boyfriend- said that he heard I did Bubba wrong or had something that didn't look right, then I must be scum. What is funny is that when you talk straight to bubba about the situation the story is not as you heard it. I have had 1 person who claims he bought a snake from me many years ago that had IBD. After talking to the vet and the kid on several ocassions, It was discovered that I did not even sell him the snake, just as I claimed the entire time. Joe my friend who it still hard for me. If I had IBD in my collection it would not be the government who we would be worried about shutting our industry down. With the number of snakes that I produce and sell ever year from my facilities. I would be what was feared. As I have said many times before, I have done my research and homework about the disease. I even went to Gainsville to The University of Florida where the disease was discovered and talked with Pete himself. Pythons can not live with the disease or be carriers of the disease. If I had IBD I would have been out of business along time ago, along with a large mass of the reptile community. Stop bustin' my balls over something that is bullcrap. We are 1/3 through this month and I have already shipped out over 80 snakes this month, I also sold/traded over 130 snake at the Hamburg show. I have a guy flying in and picking up over 40 more this weekend. On top of all this I have over 100 eggs hatching this week alone. Bottomline is that I could not continue to have successful breeding seasons with unhealthy, not cared for or diseased snakes. Anyone who has bred snakes can testify to that. You have to be doing everything right and still have either good luck or God on your side to pull it off. ;)
Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

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Another BS post from the king of BS. Belcher, I for one don't believe a word that you say. Not about IBD, not about your sales, not about your breeding. Isn't it about time you get out of this business and find something that suits you better? How about becoming a pig farmer? You already have half of the job title in place.

Joe the reason I backed out of the offer was because you wanted to tell me how it was going to be and the rules for the trip. Like I was coming to your place. The total lack of respect that you gave me over emails and the phone was enough for me. Your actions speak extremely loud and I am sure the readers will be able to see what kind of attitude that I am referring to or you may have already let that cat out of the bag in the last few posts.
Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

Ok fellas - quite enough.

You all got your opinion in and got a rise out of Allen, like you wanted. Allen stated his side of things - so there really is no reason for this thread to continue. Plenty of info in this thread to do your own research and form your own opinion.