PAM ripped me off?

ok so a couple weeks ago i sent out a money order to PAM because this jerrasi-mite stuff doesn't kill the eggs and you guys got me all scared of Equate and what not, but thats not the important part. I live near Albany, NY and PAM distributes outta Mahayopac, NY which is like 60 miles away. i understand this is mail so it doesn't matter but today i got a shipment from china that i ordered last week, and this is like week three of me waiting with mites. Everyone said they got theres in like a week but they probably used credit cards, whats goin on here??

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Originally Posted by Faber

ok so a couple weeks ago i sent out a money order to PAM because this jerrasi-mite stuff doesn't kill the eggs and you guys got me all scared of Equate and what not, but thats not the important part. I live near Albany, NY and PAM distributes outta Mahayopac, NY which is like 60 miles away. i understand this is mail so it doesn't matter but today i got a shipment from china that i ordered last week, and this is like week three of me waiting with mites. Everyone said they got theres in like a week but they probably used credit cards, whats goin on here??

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I don't know about the shipping. But a few points here.

1 NOTHING kills mite eggs. Not even PAM.

2 Three weeks? That's way too long. If you can't get what you want, you have to use something else. There have been several threads here listing alternatives. Here are a couple.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=32888

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=93197

Did you order from this site?

http://www.pro-products.com/

Did you attempt to contact the vendor directly? Thats usually the best place to start.

Nevermind, didn't read properly

Well i heard PAM was outlawed for sale in NY state so this could be why you have not gotten it.

PAM outlawed??????

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Did you order from this site?

http://www.pro-products.com/

Did you attempt to contact the vendor directly? Thats usually the best place to start.

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...yea i got it from that site

See here...

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Originally Posted by nyraptor

Just got off the phone with pro-products.com. i called to to check on my order for PAM to see if it shipped yet since we only live and hour or so from them. I was told New York state E.P.A has banned the sale of Provent-A-Mite in NY. so all of us new yorkers are completely out of luck. now what do i use? and dont say Black Night cause thats a no no also!:rage::rage::rage::mad::mad:

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PAM outlawed??????

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yup

you gotta be kidding me. i called and they let it ring off the hook. if i cant use pam then what do i use? this jerrassi-mite stuff is trash

One has to wonder how a company based in NY is able to produce and distribute an agent that is alleged to be banned in NY.

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One has to wonder how a company based in NY is able to produce and distribute an agent that is alleged to be banned in NY.

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the product isnt banned just the sales in the state from what i have gathered.

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You risk making your head explode if you try working out the logic of some governmental decision. :cool:

Try Reptile Relief.
You should have been able to find several mite killers at local pet stores or let a pet store order it for you.
ZooMed has a product called Mite Off. I had a problem with mites for the first time this year. I had switched a coulpe of my bigger snakes to cypress mulch as a substrate and it wasn't long before I noticed mites. I switched back to using news paper as a substrate and used Mite Off to get rid of the mites.
I recently made an order with Reptile Basics that included a 16.9 oz. spray bottle of Reptile Releif in case I have any more mites show up.

I have a question then. I'm going to be ordering some PAM in the next day or so, will I have trouble getting mine in a timely manner from that same site? I live in Virginia and that was the site I was planning to order from but I don't want to if I'm going to get screwed like that. It's just not worth the wait:mad:

I've always used reptile relief, and it killed mites very quickly every time. I wouldnt use anything else

#1 Why did they sell it if it was outlawed? #2. Did they refund to those who bought the product?

That sucks!!

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I have a question then. I'm going to be ordering some PAM in the next day or so, will I have trouble getting mine in a timely manner from that same site? I live in Virginia and that was the site I was planning to order from but I don't want to if I'm going to get screwed like that. It's just not worth the wait:mad:

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Why are you assuming the OP was screwed?

From his posts:

(1) He sent a money order - nowhere has he indicated that he has checked with Pro-Products to see if they received it.

(2) He has reported that in a couple of weeks he called them one time and didn't get an answer.

(3) No where has he indicated whether or not he gave Pro-Products any contact information to get a hold of him if they had an issue or questions.

(4) Depending on whom he sent money order with, there are ways to check to see if it's been cashed.

So until the OP tells us what he sent with the money order and can affirm that Pro-Products deposited/cashed it I wouldn't asusme he was ripped off.



So why are you assuming he was screwed?

Have someone from another state order it and then have them send it to you :gj:

Id like to add that people are getting confused. as far as we are all informed the Sales has been banned in NY state. not the product its self. so if you live out of state it may very well be possible to still purchase it hassle free.

Edit: forgot to say i have a feeling the EPA ban on sales is to the general public as well. its probably still alright for vet usage. but i could be wrong.

yea i only got jerrasimite cause it was the only one there, but whats the best out of mite off and reptile relief?

oh yea and do you leave the substrate in there with the other mite killers or just pam?

go with reptile relief, petco sells it. Take out all the substrate and just put white paper towels(easy to see them) and a water bowl and easily washable hide. change papertowels daily, clean water bowl and hide and clean tank daily

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Originally Posted by Faber

you gotta be kidding me. i called and they let it ring off the hook. if i cant use pam then what do i use? this jerrassi-mite stuff is trash

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i got your problem fix right here
go to a store like walmart or a pet store

get HARTZ FLEA & TICK POWDER for CATS

put the snakes infected in their own bag and dump a good coating onto the snake , tie off the bag leave in over night .
then clean your cages /tubs whatever you use . and sprinkle some in with your substrate . the next day look over the snake to make sure all are dead and place snake back in its cage .

this way even works on eliminating eggs from producing cause it gets under the scales .

1 night in a bag an all mites on snake are dead ..

i use it religously and i dont use anything else and i dont have out breaks .
and its perfectly harmless to the snakes ..

leave the snake in a plastic bag?

I'm sure he meant a snake bag, which is made out of cloth.

Equate Bedding Spray, Walmart.


Ok once again here we go.

Go to Walmart and buy Equate Bedding Spray

Provent a mite ingredients are 99.5% and .5% Permethrin

Equate Bedding spray has the exact same amount of permethrin and Inert ingredients. The can is 4$

I have used it for many years. It works, and there isnt anything better IMO.

PLEEEEEASE follow these instructions

Remove snake from cage
Remove water from cage
Spray the spray all around the cage(not the snake or water), do not try to soak the cage, not necessary.
Leave the snake and water out for an Hour(actually a lot less but I am extra cautious)
Put snake and water back in and repeat in 30 days.....odds are the second treatment wont be needed. You will not see mites again.

Permethrin will kill snakes when airborn......so use caution.

Good Luck

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leave the snake in a plastic bag?

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sorry i wasnt clearer.. i was under the assumption that when i mentioned putting a snake in a bag , it would be known it was refference to a snake bag .
my bad ..

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Originally Posted by XGetSome

Permethrin will kill snakes when airborn......so use caution.

Good Luck

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which is why i said to use my method .because my method wont kill snakes in anyway and you dont have to be worried about using it in your reptile room cause its completely safe for snakes and is overwhelmingly effective ..

and you dont have the hassle of so many pain in the ass steps as you would if using the other stuff

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Originally Posted by XGetSome

Equate Bedding Spray, Walmart.


Ok once again here we go.

Go to Walmart and buy Equate Bedding Spray

Provent a mite ingredients are 99.5% and .5% Permethrin

Equate Bedding spray has the exact same amount of permethrin and Inert ingredients. The can is 4$

I have used it for many years. It works, and there isnt anything better IMO.

PLEEEEEASE follow these instructions

Remove snake from cage
Remove water from cage
Spray the spray all around the cage(not the snake or water), do not try to soak the cage, not necessary.
Leave the snake and water out for an Hour(actually a lot less but I am extra cautious)
Put snake and water back in and repeat in 30 days.....odds are the second treatment wont be needed. You will not see mites again.

Permethrin will kill snakes when airborn......so use caution.

Good Luck

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You clearly have learned nothing from the multiple threads about this topic. Equate is not and never will be the same as PAM. It's irresponsible to keep insisting that it is.

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Originally Posted by TheVipersHouse

i got your problem fix right here
go to a store like walmart or a pet store

get HARTZ FLEA & TICK POWDER for CATS

put the snakes infected in their own bag and dump a good coating onto the snake , tie off the bag leave in over night .
then clean your cages /tubs whatever you use . and sprinkle some in with your substrate . the next day look over the snake to make sure all are dead and place snake back in its cage .

this way even works on eliminating eggs from producing cause it gets under the scales .

1 night in a bag an all mites on snake are dead ..

i use it religously and i dont use anything else and i dont have out breaks .
and its perfectly harmless to the snakes ..

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This is a terrible idea and potentially harmful. Just because YOU have done it and not killed any snakes yet doesn't make it safe. This also won't eliminate eggs from producing because it gets under the scales. That makes NO sense whatsoever. As far as I am aware, no product on the market kills mite eggs. Not even PAM. The benefit of PAM is that it has over 30 days of residual action which will kill the new mites that hatch. This is nearly as ridiculous as your one in a million multiple sire comment. If someone tries this on your recommendation and kills their snake, what will your response be then?

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This is a terrible idea and potentially harmful. Just because YOU have done it and not killed any snakes yet doesn't make it safe. This also won't eliminate eggs from producing because it gets under the scales. That makes NO sense whatsoever. As far as I am aware, no product on the market kills mite eggs. Not even PAM. The benefit of PAM is that it has over 30 days of residual action which will kill the new mites that hatch. This is nearly as ridiculous as your one in a million multiple sire comment. If someone tries this on your recommendation and kills their snake, what will your response be then?

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listen here buddy, it has no affect on snakes what so ever , its not harmful to snakes in anyway . im not the only person who uses this technique many people do , so my suggestion to you is be quiet.

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listen here buddy , it has no affect on snakes what so ever , its not harmful to snakes in anyway . im not the only person who uses this technique many people do , so my suggestion to you is be quiet.

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As eloquent as that was, my previous points stand. Have you done years of testing and research? Can you say for certain that there are no long term effects? Have you calculated how much is safe and how much becomes a danger to the animal? See, what you fail to grasp is that these are living creatures. Do whatever you want with your own animals but when it comes to making recommendations to others without your wealth of knowledge and experience, it's best to advise them to stick to products that are tested and safe for use on reptiles.

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As eloquent as that was, my previous points stand. Have you done years of testing and research? Can you say for certain that there are no long term effects? Have you calculated how much is safe and how much becomes a danger to the animal? See, what you fail to grasp is that these are living creatures. Do whatever you want with your own animals but when it comes to making recommendations to others without your wealth of knowledge and experience, it's best to advise them to stick to products that are tested and safe for use on reptiles.

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TESTING: over 10 Years and not 1 death or illness related to using it .
from my collection or any other collection that uses this treatment .
i didnt make the treatment up it was recommended by reptile vet .
what you fail to grasp is im not the only person who uses this method and its been passed around before me , its safe and doesnt have no Ill affects on snakes .
so get your ass off your high horse and accept the fact there are other methods just as good if not better and safer then your PAM theory .
just like i learned that double sired snakes happen more common then i was informed , i was always taught and read that the genetics of it was a long shot (1 in a million was more an example of how rare it happens) .but thats got nothing to do with this topic ..

it was passed to me just as i have passed it to 100's of people and no one has ever had an issue of sick or death . so yes i do know what im saying from years of usage and word of mouth by others who use it ..

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TESTING: over 10 Years and not 1 death or illness related to using it .
from my collection or any other collection that uses this treatment .
i didnt make the treatment up it was recommended by reptile vet .
what you fail to grasp is im not the only person who uses this method and its been passed around before me , its safe and doesnt have no Ill affects on snakes .
so get your ass off your high horse and accept the fact there are other methods just as good if not better and safer then your PAM theory .
just like i learned that double sired snakes happen more common then i was informed , i was always taught and read that the genetics of it was a long shot (1 in a million was more an example of how rare it happens) .but thats got nothing to do with this topic ..

it was passed to me just as i have passed it to 100's of people and no one has ever had an issue of sick or death . so yes i do know what im saying from years of usage and word of mouth by others who use it ..

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This is going nowhere. Let me ask you, are all these other people you know who use it importers? If so then I see why they would want would to use the cheapest product possible to get the mites of the animals they want to turn around and ship out to customers. Most people who have a small collection at home aren't bringing in new, imported animals regularly and a can of PAM (remember, that's the only product approved for use with reptiles) will last them YEARS. If even the potential for harming an animal isn't enough to persuade someone spend $20 on a can of PAM, how much do they really care about the health of their animals? The fact is, you really don't know what happens to the animals after they leave your facility. You haven't put money into research and development. You haven't done any scientific tests. My support of the use of PAM isn't a theory. I'll just have to continue recommending what I know is safe because I am not willing to have the death of someone else's animals on my conscience.

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This is going nowhere. Let me ask you, are all these other people you know who use it importers? If so then I see why they would want would to use the cheapest product possible to get the mites of the animals they want to turn around and ship out to customers. Most people who have a small collection at home aren't bringing in new, imported animals regularly and a can of PAM (remember, that's the only product approved for use with reptiles) will last them YEARS. If even the potential for harming an animal isn't enough to persuade someone spend $20 on a can of PAM, how much do they really care about the health of their animals? The fact is, you really don't know what happens to the animals after they leave your facility. You haven't put money into research and development. You haven't done any scientific tests. My support of the use of PAM isn't a theory. I'll just have to continue recommending what I know is safe because I am not willing to have the death of someone else's animals on my conscience.

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nope not importers . private breeders use it
not 1 death in over 10 years that i have been using it on my personal collection and animals i sell or anyone else that uses it , not to mention the years its been used before i started using it .
so you keep using your stuff and telling people and i will as well cause the method i use does the job as well as PAM if not better. AND is completely safe for snakes .

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Originally Posted by TheVipersHouse

i got your problem fix right here
go to a store like walmart or a pet store

get HARTZ FLEA & TICK POWDER for CATS

put the snakes infected in their own bag and dump a good coating onto the snake , tie off the bag leave in over night .
then clean your cages /tubs whatever you use . and sprinkle some in with your substrate . the next day look over the snake to make sure all are dead and place snake back in its cage .

this way even works on eliminating eggs from producing cause it gets under the scales .

1 night in a bag an all mites on snake are dead ..

i use it religously and i dont use anything else and i dont have out breaks .
and its perfectly harmless to the snakes ..

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I would say that if you use it religiously, then it is not very effective. In keeping snakes for 7 years, I have only had to treat mites twice, both times from bringing in snakes from someone else. If you don't have outbrakes, then why are you using it religiously? I'm not busting your chops, I am just confused.

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Originally Posted by XGetSome

Equate Bedding Spray, Walmart.


Ok once again here we go.

Go to Walmart and buy Equate Bedding Spray

Provent a mite ingredients are 99.5% and .5% Permethrin

Equate Bedding spray has the exact same amount of permethrin and Inert ingredients. The can is 4$

I have used it for many years. It works, and there isnt anything better IMO.

PLEEEEEASE follow these instructions

Remove snake from cage
Remove water from cage
Spray the spray all around the cage(not the snake or water), do not try to soak the cage, not necessary.
Leave the snake and water out for an Hour(actually a lot less but I am extra cautious)
Put snake and water back in and repeat in 30 days.....odds are the second treatment wont be needed. You will not see mites again.

Permethrin will kill snakes when airborn......so use caution.

Good Luck

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As Jamie stated, the amount of Permethrin is equivalent in PAM and Equate, however, the 99.5% of inert chemicals is not listed on either can, and could very well be drastically different. With that said, I have never used PAM. I have been very successful at treating mites with Equate, and currently have a can of BKII that I use as a preventive measure when we treat cages of animals that we have brought to a show.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

This is going nowhere. Let me ask you, are all these other people you know who use it importers? If so then I see why they would want would to use the cheapest product possible to get the mites of the animals they want to turn around and ship out to customers. Most people who have a small collection at home aren't bringing in new, imported animals regularly and a can of PAM (remember, that's the only product approved for use with reptiles) will last them YEARS. If even the potential for harming an animal isn't enough to persuade someone spend $20 on a can of PAM, how much do they really care about the health of their animals? The fact is, you really don't know what happens to the animals after they leave your facility. You haven't put money into research and development. You haven't done any scientific tests. My support of the use of PAM isn't a theory. I'll just have to continue recommending what I know is safe because I am not willing to have the death of someone else's animals on my conscience.

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Jamie,
I just wanted to clarify that I don't think a can of PAM will last for YEARS. I say this because I remember the shelf life of PAM being 1 year. However, I couldn't find the shelf life on the site to confirm this. Maybe you or someone else has inquired about shelf life before and could answer that question for us.

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Jamie,
I just wanted to clarify that I don't think a can of PAM will last for YEARS. I say this because I remember the shelf life of PAM being 1 year. However, I couldn't find the shelf life on the site to confirm this. Maybe you or someone else has inquired about shelf life before and could answer that question for us.

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Tim,

In this thread where I quoted Bob Pound he mentions an average shelf life of 7 years.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=71721

Jamie

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Tim,

In this thread where I quoted Bob Pound he mentions an average shelf life of 7 years.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=71721

Jamie

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Sweet Bro. I stand corrected.

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I would say that if you use it religiously, then it is not very effective. In keeping snakes for 7 years, I have only had to treat mites twice, both times from bringing in snakes from someone else. If you don't have outbrakes, then why are you using it religiously? I'm not busting your chops, I am just confused.

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i use it religously to the fact that i wont use anything else because of how well it works and i use it on any snake i bring into my collection as a preventive .

when i quaratine my animlas they get 1 treatment with the powder
and then they stay quarantined for a time period before coming into my collection .


and because of this i dont have outbreaks in my collection

sorry to confuse you muddoc :D

hahahaha yea it was late last night, idk why i thought you met a plastic bag. and my point here is that im out $20 and can't get a cant of PAM in my state, jerrasimite is garbage, and my snake has mites, i would love to get it taken care of today. Also i noticed some breeders have used equate and still live by it.

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As eloquent as that was, my previous points stand. Have you done years of testing and research? Can you say for certain that there are no long term effects? Have you calculated how much is safe and how much becomes a danger to the animal? See, what you fail to grasp is that these are living creatures. Do whatever you want with your own animals but when it comes to making recommendations to others without your wealth of knowledge and experience, it's best to advise them to stick to products that are tested and safe for use on reptiles.

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Hartz has many dedicated fansites!

http://www.hartzvictims.org/category...from-a-victim/

http://hartzkills.org/

http://www.petitiononline.com/hartz/petition.html

The EPA has even noticed how safe their flea and tick products are.

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/factsh...tick-drops.htm

Good news is that even though many dogs and cats have apparently been sickened or killed by their products (including the flea and tick powder), and they've been through numerous safety recalls, none of the many professional reptile breeders using their products have reported a single mishap!





..........Still looking for a similar Provent-A-Mite site............

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Hartz has their own fansite!

http://www.hartzvictims.org/category...from-a-victim/

Good news is that even though many dogs and cats have apparently been sickened or killed by their products (including the flea and tick powder), and they've been through numerous safety recalls, none of the many professional reptile breeders using their products have reported a single mishap!





..........Still looking for a similar Provent-A-Mite site............

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Yup. Hartz has always been a horrible company. This is no surprise. Great post!!

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hahahaha yea it was late last night, idk why i thought you met a plastic bag. and my point here is that im out $20 and can't get a cant of PAM in my state, jerrasimite is garbage, and my snake has mites, i would love to get it taken care of today. Also i noticed some breeders have used equate and still live by it.

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Can i get a little help here..

I've used Equate for a long time. No problems.

I've never used PAM mostly because I don't like the guy who owns it, well, not him personally, but his methods. I also take with a VERY large grain of salt anything a company owner tells me about the longevity of his product. Didn't this guy try to sue against a competitor or partner or something to corner his bit of market? I seem to remember some underhanded dealings a few years ago.

It would seem to me that putting a snake in a bag with a powder that kills mites would mean that the snake was inhaling the same toxin that was killing the mites. Done in the long term, how can this not have a detrimental effect on the snake? Has anyone done any liver function testing? How about lung tissue?

Also viper, you mention that you use it religiously and regularly. How is it that you must treat so often for something you so seldom have?

Equate works, is available almost everywhere and while it may well be manufactured by a complete and total butthead, I know nothing of it as yet and that alone is good enough for me to use it. Add in the fact that it is one quarter the price of pam and I can go to just about any pharmacy to pick it up the day I need it and you can see why I use it on the rare occasions I have need of it.

It also works on rodent mites. I had a supplier that was REALLY bad for a while (one of the main reasons I started breeding my own feeders; quality control) and I used it on them with no problem, waited a couple of days and fed them to my snakes also with no problem.

Jaimie likes the guy who sells pam, has had great experience with it and is very pleased with the product. It does work, no doubt about it.

Bags and powders, while also effective, just seem to be asking for longterm problems, perhaps not seen for years after usage has begun.

Equate works, is easy to find and inexpensive.

I wouldn't be using a power on my snake that it would be breathing in. especially not in a pillow case where the chances of inhalation the power as you douse the animal is very high. to each there own. but i know if i wouldn't want to inhale it then why would my snake?

not to mention according to this site the Hartz flea and tick powers is a rather large irritant http://www.drugs.com/vet/hartz-advan...-for-dogs.html

lots of warnings. it only lasts 7 days as well so once the new eggs hatch your back to square one powdering all your snakes. sounds like allot of work for something thats not technically designed for the use people are recommending in here. its like saying "use a hammer to open your can of beans. i know its not meant for it but ive been using it for years and it has always worked for me."

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its like saying "use a hammer to open your can of beans. i know its not meant for it but ive been using it for years and it has always worked for me."

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Hey Now, let's not get nasty about hammers. A more useful tool is hard to imagine.

If you're gentle, you can crack your eggs for breakfast, hammer your nails for work, mellow out the drunk at the bar, open your door when you get home and can't find your keys, and with one final simple step, assure you sleep soundly until you regain consciousness.

So, no more dissin the Hammer, eh?

Also, to open a can of beans with a hammer is not as easy as it sounds. Especially if it's a ballpean.

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hahahaha yea it was late last night, idk why i thought you met a plastic bag. and my point here is that im out $20 and can't get a cant of PAM in my state, jerrasimite is garbage, and my snake has mites, i would love to get it taken care of today. Also i noticed some breeders have used equate and still live by it.

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PAM is always my first recommendation. However, if you can't get it, then Equate would be my second choice, based on what I've read from numerous people that I trust. I'd shoot a PM to muddoc or wilomn (just two who have posted here most recently about using Equate...not singling them out above anyone else) and ask them precisely which product to buy and how they use it.

In the meantime...to help ease your snake's discomfort immediately...make a bath for your snake (with tepid water that feels neither warm nor cold to your touch)...put in one or two drops of dish detergent...and let the animal soak in that for a little while. The soap keeps airbubbles from forming around the mites and they'll drown much faster. This won't prevent their return, but it will kill off the live ones that are bugging the snake right now.

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Hey Now, let's not get nasty about hammers. A more useful tool is hard to imagine.

If you're gentle, you can crack your eggs for breakfast, hammer your nails for work, mellow out the drunk at the bar, open your door when you get home and can't find your keys, and with one final simple step, assure you sleep soundly until you regain consciousness.

So, no more dissin the Hammer, eh?

Also, to open a can of beans with a hammer is not as easy as it sounds. Especially if it's a ballpean.

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oh but i love the hammer. I was just pointing out that using the correct tool for the job is much less time consuming, enables you to exert less effort. an in most cases the end result is no longer a crap shoot because of the lack of variables. for example. Can opener vs. Ball peen hammer. great hammer.... not so great for opening a can in a timely manner with out beans on your face... ceiling and walls :P and don't even try to open dog food... the strays will be scratching at your door for weeks.

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oh but i love the hammer. I was just pointing out that using the correct tool for the job is much less time consuming, enables you to exert less effort. an in most cases the end result is no longer a crap shoot because of the lack of variables. for example. Can opener vs. Ball peen hammer. great hammer.... not so great for opening a can in a timely manner with out beans on your face... ceiling and walls :P and don't even try to open dog food... the strays will be scratching at your door for weeks.

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Excellent point on the dogfood. I prefer a framing hammer for that kind of work. I like the nice straight claws, so heavy and shiny and oh my, I'll be right back....

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Originally Posted by Faber

Can i get a little help here..

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I had a nasty mite outbreak a year or so back. Studded out one of my males to a friend (does that sound right?)- he came back with some mites.

The EBV was out of PAM and I'm too lazy to read about how to safely apply the other methods. I was directed to a local nursery that uses and sells hypoaspis mites.

I was skeptical but they gave me free container to use and I'll be dad-gummed if it didn't work. After reading up on the web I was surprised to find out that they are frequently employed to eliminate snake mites.

I know you can get them on-line and some nurseries where I live carry them.....I have no idea if they are available in your area.