Lesser bee X Silver Bullet

Can anyone give me the breakdown of what the possibilities are for each egg when you put a Silver Bullet and a Lesser Bee??? Thanks

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Originally Posted by aarondm

Can anyone give me the breakdown of what the possibilities are for each egg when you put a Silver Bullet and a Lesser Bee??? Thanks

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You would get an equal 1/8 chance of the following:

Cinnamon queen bee (cinny pastel lesser spider)
Cinnamon lesser bee
Cinnamon bumble bee
Pewter
Cinnamon lesser pastel
Lesser cinnamon
Cinnabee (cinny spider)
Cinnamon

No matter what you get, it would be gorgeous.

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Originally Posted by GenePirate

You would get an equal 1/8 chance of the following:

Cinnamon queen bee (cinny pastel lesser spider)
Cinnamon lesser bee
Cinnamon bumble bee
Pewter
Cinnamon lesser pastel
Lesser cinnamon
Cinnabee (cinny spider)
Cinnamon

No matter what you get, it would be gorgeous.

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Wouldnt there be a Lesser Pastel(non cinny) in there somewhere? How about a regular queen bee?

wouldn't you also be able to get lessers, spiders. pastels and normals in that pairing?

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Originally Posted by Ladydragon

wouldn't you also be able to get lessers, spiders. pastels and normals in that pairing?

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i thought that a silver bullet was a super cinnamon pastel, correct? (or is it a super black pastel? i cant always remember the two different names for super+pastel).

But if so, every offspring would have at least one cinnamon//black pastel gene, and therefor eliminate the possibility of normals occurring in the clutch.

right? correct me if i'm wrong on this one.

Theres sooo many different possibilities, I wish I knew how to break it down exactly. I might be getting a lesser bee on a trade soon so I was thinking I might have to try to find a Silver Bullet or a Sterling(which there dosent seem to be too many of them laying around) Is there anyone who can help me with the formula on breaking down the possible egg outcomes?? Thanks

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Originally Posted by aarondm

Theres sooo many different possibilities, I wish I knew how to break it down exactly. I might be getting a lesser bee on a trade soon so I was thinking I might have to try to find a Silver Bullet or a Sterling(which there dosent seem to be too many of them laying around) Is there anyone who can help me with the formula on breaking down the possible egg outcomes?? Thanks

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Just an FYI

Silver Bullet = super cinny/black pastel(i think BP is included in this) x pastel

Sterling = Super pastel x cinny

but everyone seems to be forgetting the lesserbee.. wouldn't that involve spider genes to get the bee portion? spider x pastel - = bumblebee spider x cinnamon = cinnabee spider x lesser = lesserbee. correct me if I'm wrong. :D

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Originally Posted by Ladydragon

but everyone seems to be forgetting the lesserbee.. wouldn't that involve spider genes to get the bee portion? spider x pastel - = bumblebee spider x cinnamon = cinnabee spider x lesser = lesserbee. correct me if I'm wrong. :D

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But with a silver bullet, everything would be cinnamon. So at the very least you'd get a cinnabee when the spider gene got thrown in there

From Graziani's page, regarding what a silver bullet is:
http://king6.kingsnake.com/~graziani...ver_bullet.htm

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It is actually a Super Cinnamon Pastel Jungle (homozygous Cinnamon heterozygous Pastel).

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From NERD's page, regarding what a lesser bee is:
http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ll-python.html

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Genetics
Dominant (Spider)
Co-dominant (Lesser Platinum)

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So that should clarify what the genetics of the parents are, except the question of whether the silver bullet is cinnamon, black pastel, or one of each.

As far as the breakdown, I agree with GenePirate, except again there is the question of whether the silver bullet may be black pastel instead of cinnamon. If it is a silver bullet made from black pastels, then you'd just substitute black pastel instead of cinnamon. If the silver bullet carries one of each of black pastel & cinnamon, then you would get a 1/16 chance of each of the following plus the black pastel equivalents.

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Originally Posted by GenePirate

You would get an equal 1/8 chance of the following:

Cinnamon queen bee (cinny pastel lesser spider)
Cinnamon lesser bee
Cinnamon bumble bee
Pewter
Cinnamon lesser pastel
Lesser cinnamon
Cinnabee (cinny spider)
Cinnamon

No matter what you get, it would be gorgeous.

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okay... guess I was wrong. I guess I have to rereread the genetics sections to figure this out properly.

Thanks, Casey, for your vote of confidence.

Let me try to explain this further for everyone so that we're all on the same page.

Assuming Graziani and NERD are correct—which I do, then I would call the silver bullet CCPp (C=cinny, P=pastel, p=normal in place of second pastel locus). The lesser bee would be LlSs (L=lesser, l=normal in place of a second lesser gene, S=spider, s=normal gene where we’re assuming there is no second S, no homozygous spider.)

The silver bullet will always throw a cinny gene, plus either a pastel or a normal, so CP or Cp. The lesser bee will throw one of the following: LS, Ls, lS, ls. So you could end up with equal chances of each of these 8 combos:

CPLS, cinnamon queen bee
CPLs, cinnamon lesser pastel
CPlS, cinnamon bumble bee
CPls, pewter
CpLS, cinnamon lesser bee
CpLs, lesser cinnamon
CplS, cinnabee
Cpls, cinnamon

If you want to do your own Punnett, CP and Cp across the top (there are no other combos for these two traits), and the four LS combos down the side (2 x 4 = 8).

If you’re thinking black pastel in place of cinny, just substitute B for C, or whichever letter you choose, and rename as appropriate.

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Originally Posted by GenePirate

If you want to do your own Punnett, CP and Cp across the top (there are no other combos for these two traits), and the four LS combos down the side (2 x 4 = 8).

If you’re thinking black pastel in place of cinny, just substitute B for C, or whichever letter you choose, and rename as appropriate.

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Actually, if you wanted to draw a punnett square for a breeding that involves four genes, the square would be 16 by 16, and contain 256 squares. There will be many duplicates within the square, but that would be the proper way to do it, and the only way if each of those animals were containing parts of the four genes (much more important when dealing with recessives).

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Originally Posted by muddoc

Actually, if you wanted to draw a punnett square for a breeding that involves four genes, the square would be 16 by 16, and contain 256 squares. There will be many duplicates within the square, but that would be the proper way to do it, and the only way if each of those animals were containing parts of the four genes (much more important when dealing with recessives).

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Not necessary. Each animal only contains two unique traits each, and one of the parents can only donate one of two possible combinations. I wouldn't wish 256 squares on anyone, especially when the final ratios are the same in either case.