why did my ball change color?

she's about a year old. normal?

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a30/jaimegray/4-1.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a30/jaimegray/5.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a30/jaimegray/2-1.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a30/jaimegray/3.jpg


i got her from petsmart last year. this is what she looked like when i got her.

http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a30...t=8875be96.pbr

any ideas why she changed color?

did someone change your snake on you?

she looks way diff thats crazy

Females tend to go through a drastic colour change when gravid.

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Originally Posted by 771subliminal

did someone change your snake on you?

she looks way diff thats crazy

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it's the only ball i have ever had. someone mentioned that skin irritants would cause color to come off with shed. i was looking for some more theories.

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Originally Posted by Peter Williams

Females tend to go through a drastic colour change when gravid.

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she's not even a year old, about 4 ft. could she already be gravid?

I'm not experienced enough to be helpful and she was pretty before, but damn! She's hot now! (I hope that someone else can give you more insight!)

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Originally Posted by pillowtalk6188

she's not even a year old, about 4 ft. could she already be gravid?

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She looks pretty large for a yearling, but not out of the question large. There was a thread a while ago where hgrub's spider female shed and lost all colour and basically turned axanthic. As far as I know she slowly regained her colour and went back to normal. But what's happened here seems to be the opposite, normal to almost pastel like. This gain in colour as opposed to a loss like in the other thread leads me to believe she's likely gravid.

Wow. :rolleye2:


Err I mean - can we get a belly pic? :please:

She looks like a pastel with all that blushing.


dr del

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Originally Posted by Peter Williams

She looks pretty large for a yearling, but not out of the question large. There was a thread a while ago where hgrub's spider female shed and lost all colour and basically turned axanthic. As far as I know she slowly regained her colour and went back to normal. But what's happened here seems to be the opposite, normal to almost pastel like. This gain in colour as opposed to a loss like in the other thread leads me to believe she's likely gravid.

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how would she be gravid when she claims that she is the only ball python she owns? We have all heard of some morphs getting brighter with age, but since she got it from petsmart it leads me to believe that it was originaly a pastel that got sold as a normal since it appeared to be so. I say she is a pastel from those pics, or my eyes are playing tricks on me. I am not the only one, I say pastel:gj:

Well if you look at the video it's clearly not a pastel... the eyes are pitch black... she's a normal so who knows why she just got lighter... you can see that she had nice blushing when you got her... she was a nice pick from petsmart!

A normal does not turn into a pastel, so that is out of the question. Toxins in rats have been thought to turn them almost axanthic looking. If it was a sudden change it may go back, however if it was a gradual change you have one sweet dinker female there. As for dinking with her I would breed a fire to her, but that is just what I would do. Good luck with her.

I see an big blushing-spot in the middle of the snake head!!!
In my opinion this could be an "dark" Vanilla/Fire/Sulfur.

No matter what she is, she is beautyfull :gj:

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Originally Posted by Koolaid

Well if you look at the video it's clearly not a pastel... the eyes are pitch black... she's a normal so who knows why she just got lighter... you can see that she had nice blushing when you got her... she was a nice pick from petsmart!

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I have seen pastels that were very ugly and should have not even have been considered a pastel. My word is not law, but I say pastel.

would you mind taking pics with a digi cam (not that i dont appreciate pics of you)? Especially of the belly and eyes if its not too much to ask(the snake;)).

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Originally Posted by MDB

I have seen pastels that were very ugly and should have not even have been considered a pastel. My word is not law, but I say pastel.

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If the belly is clear and the eyes are pale i may have to agree with you! But what gets me is the video shows a normal bp.

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Originally Posted by juddb

If the belly is clear and the eyes are pale i may have to agree with you! But what gets me is the video shows a normal bp.

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agreed I think somebody switched her snake with another:confused:

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how would she be gravid when she claims that she is the only ball python she owns? We have all heard of some morphs getting brighter with age, but since she got it from petsmart it leads me to believe that it was originaly a pastel that got sold as a normal since it appeared to be so. I say she is a pastel from those pics, or my eyes are playing tricks on me. I am not the only one, I say pastel:gj:

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Here you go. Take a look at this too. :gj:

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Originally Posted by MDB

agreed I think somebody switched her snake with another:confused:

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But the markings are very similar, especially the patch of blushing right behind the first neck break. From the first pics she does look like a pastel. Hmm.. strange things happening lately, spiders turning axanthic looking (for a while)... normals turning into pastels... I want to know what's in you guys' water! lol.

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Originally Posted by Peter Williams

Here you go. Take a look at this too. :gj:

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wow you learn something new everyday I thank you for posting those links.:gj:

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Originally Posted by MDB

I have seen pastels that were very ugly and should have not even have been considered a pastel. My word is not law, but I say pastel.

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So have I but they only get uglier, not better. Also you can still tell what they are.

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Originally Posted by Purrrfect9

But the markings are very similar, especially the patch of blushing right behind the first neck break. From the first pics she does look like a pastel. Hmm.. strange things happening lately, spiders turning axanthic looking (for a while)... normals turning into pastels... I want to know what's in you guys' water! lol.

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where can I get some of this water lol

I purchased a WC tiger line recently that looked pastel at birth, but matured into a caramel coloured snake... saw the pics and would not have believed it was even the same snake.

Could be some mix, or random genetics going on in this girl.

Bruce

i dont have an answer myself but looks liek one beautiful pastel to me by the markings and blushing. almost looked like she tried to turn into a super the way the back and head blushing has changed so much. shes not a super but i would have to say she is a pastel although if you look at the area of the belly shown in the pic she does have some black on her belly.

There are a lot of reasons snakes change colors from mineral deficiencies to hormones - it's rarely permanent and not genetic. But she looks very nice. :D

i'm really sorry but for now i only have camera phone pictures. these pictures were taken on printer paper, not muslin. they are a little washed out, she is more gold than yellow.

the only black on her belly is right here ON her belly button which truly confuses me:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a30...ray/circle.jpg

you'r right, when i first got this snake her eyes were pitch black, i could not tell where the pupil was. her eyes are now brown and i can definately tell her pupil from her iris.

i went back to petsmart last night to see what color the normals eyes were. the baby i picked up had dark brown eyes. which thouroughly confused me. this snake has question marks all over it.


this is a less flattering picture, but i want everyone to get all angles of her till i can find my sisters digital camera. the shadow on the left makes her look a little darker on that side. i couldn't get the paper to stay on the light.
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a30...ray/bright.jpg

Wish my Lemon Pastel change to be Panda Pastel next shed ~ :snake:

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Originally Posted by pillowtalk6188

i'm really sorry but for now i only have camera phone pictures. these pictures were taken on printer paper, not muslin. they are a little washed out, she is more gold than yellow.

the only black on her belly is right here ON her belly button which truly confuses me:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a30...ray/circle.jpg

you'r right, when i first got this snake her eyes were pitch black, i could not tell where the pupil was. her eyes are now brown and i can definately tell her pupil from her iris.

i went back to petsmart last night to see what color the normals eyes were. the baby i picked up had dark brown eyes. which thouroughly confused me. this snake has question marks all over it.


this is a less flattering picture, but i want everyone to get all angles of her till i can find my sisters digital camera. the shadow on the left makes her look a little darker on that side. i couldn't get the paper to stay on the light.
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a30...ray/bright.jpg

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Could be some sort of fire / sulfur / vanilla / on any other name they are calling them now. I do not know very much about them, but I do know that they get lighter with age. You could breed her to try to see if it is an inheritable trait. You could also breed her to a fire / sulfer… to see if you produce a black-eyed lucy. Either way, she is a beautiful snake.

Not even a year old with that size? Interesting. I hope mines get like that.

hope nothings wrong with her, but sure is lookin nice :D

Don't know why but Wow gorgeous!

Didn't the guy at PetSmart tell you that all their BP's change color as they get older. Dude told me mine would be Candy Apple Purple by the time he was 2 years old.

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Originally Posted by FastDad

I see an big blushing-spot in the middle of the snake head!!!
In my opinion this could be an "dark" Vanilla/Fire/Sulfur.

No matter what she is, she is beautyfull :gj:

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I think you may be on to something. The spot on the head is certainly lighter than normally. My Fire has a light spot on his head too.

Definitely interesting, and I'm going to vouch for poor camera and off white balance giving her a more than yellow appearance than most people are used to.

She does have nice blushing, and blushing seems to really get better with age, but it's not unheard of to have very light normals. Normals are highly variable, in truth you would never know unless you bred her. (if it's a her) :gj:

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Definitely interesting, and I'm going to vouch for poor camera and off white balance giving her a more than yellow appearance than most people are used to.

She does have nice blushing, and blushing seems to really get better with age, but it's not unheard of to have very light normals. Normals are highly variable, in truth you would never know unless you bred her. (if it's a her) :gj:

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What about her belly?
It's pretty darn clear, and would that belly button marking take her from being a clean belly morph?

In my opinion, it does not look like a pastel to me. It doesn't look like it has yellows, which reminds me of my reduced poss. het. hypo girl that looks very PEACH on the sides instead of normal yellows. Would that be a trait of vanilla, fire, etc..?

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

What about her belly?
It's pretty darn clear, and would that belly button marking take her from being a clean belly morph?

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Normals have clean bellies too, so it really does not mean that much to me I guess.

No worries. I have a girl that is just now a yearling and the exact same thing happened, she got lighter and brighter, almost fire looking. I'll see if I can get some pics tomorrow, I attribute it to hormones as she gets through adolescence. Still a norm though, but fun to dink with.

Cheers,
Kat

i took a peek at belle today and she's in blue. i found my dads digital camera so there will be good pictures soon. to me she is looking darker, but i haven't gotten her out a whole lot lately so we will just see how the good pics look compared to the crappy ones.

she still looks extremely yellow to me. like banana yellow lol. i really don't think she's a pastel, just a truly gifted normal. she's my pride and joy and a really sweet girl. i love showing her off.

i found the thread about "glowing females" where they lighten up when they ovulate. it looks strangely similar to what happened to my girl. she didn't completely lighten up, it looks morel like she "yellowed" up or "sharpened" up. but when i got her she couldn't have been more than a couple months old and that was around easter. so i mark her at about a year +/-.

in the mean time i'll be sure to keep better documentation of her color changes, if there are any more.

i'll keep ya posted!

photoshoot with digital camera:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...671#post948671

these are her true colors, the pictures came out great.

Wow, she sure looks like a pastel in the new batch of pictures...

what would be a good but affordable morph to breed her too, to try and prove out her pastel genes?

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Originally Posted by janeothejungle

No worries. I have a girl that is just now a yearling and the exact same thing happened, she got lighter and brighter, almost fire looking. I'll see if I can get some pics tomorrow, I attribute it to hormones as she gets through adolescence. Still a norm though, but fun to dink with.

Cheers,
Kat

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any pictures Kat? i would love to compare :P

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Originally Posted by pillowtalk6188

what would be a good but affordable morph to breed her too, to try and prove out her pastel genes?

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You don't need to buy any morph to prove her out, just a normal male/female to breed with. Pastels are codom and will produce roughly 50% pastels, and 50% normals. If you get another pastel you will get (don't quote me) 25% super pastels, 50% pastels, and 25% normals.

Pastels are an affordable morph, that's my first and so far only morph. They are the least expensive at $100-$150 on average. I bought a nerd pastel for a great price and he keeps getting brighter with every shed.

For all the world it looks like a normal was replaced with a pastel. I saw in the video a partial back stripe at each end. I wondered if they were in the still photos but couldn't get a good view.

the latest photos have me thinking along the same lines as the fire/sulphur crowd...

i love the threads about ball pythons changing colours. they are so interesting

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Originally Posted by dsirkle

For all the world it looks like a normal was replaced with a pastel. I saw in the video a partial back stripe at each end. I wondered if they were in the still photos but couldn't get a good view.

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i don't know why i'm still getting posts of people doubting my word. i took time out to take MORE pictures. good ones. and there's still a debate? it's obviously the same snake if you look at the markings. i'm not taking any more pictures. you can obviously see the markings on the tail in the pictures in the link.

Not a pastel. People have to stop wishing for the impossible.
Maybe if we say the word PASTEL 100 times it will turn into one.
-Steven

Strange. shes very pretty though.

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Originally Posted by stevenkeogh

Not a pastel. People have to stop wishing for the impossible.
Maybe if we say the word PASTEL 100 times it will turn into one.
-Steven

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lol. i hope you don't think this is what i was insituating. i was only saying that people are still doubting the color of her from the pictures that i take.

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Originally Posted by pillowtalk6188

lol. i hope you don't think this is what i was insituating. i was only saying that people are still doubting the color of her from the pictures that i take.

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The last photo's you took were great. I love the way she looks, I couldnt tell you whats going on with her, but whatever it is its working;) make sure and take more pics after she sheds:gj: