WARNING: Not for the faint of heart...

So...

This last clutch was doomed from the beginning...

I had an idea, but I had no idea it would be this bad..

Two good eggs, or so I thought.

Here is what came out of one egg...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...d/P1050282.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...d/P1050283.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...d/P1050292.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...d/P1050293.jpg


This breaks my heart to share with you, but I feel it is necessary for people to learn as well as I have that no matter what you do, things can go HORRIBLY WRONG.

I am devastated, and although this came out of one egg, the other harbored a reminder of how precious life can be..

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...d/P1050301.jpg

words cannot come to mind Heather. You are such an awesome person, and I know how deeply you care for your animals, so to see this happen to you is heartbreaking.....

Those colorations are so pretty, especially on the dead one. Is a very sad thing that it didn't develop correctly. D:

I hope that poor thing wasn't alive? :tears:

I'm horribly sorry for your loss and hope that you will have better luck in the future. You deserve it!

Ouch! Sorry for the loss.

Hey Heather... I'm very sorry for your loss. I know just how hard it is to get excited about healthy babies when you've just discovered a deformed one... Big hugs from here girl... :hug:

Thanks for posting...

For those who wanted to know...

When I cut the eggs, it was alive..

When I came home today and pulled it out of the egg, it was dead.

Oh man,
Im so so sorry.
they are beautiful non the less,

this reminds me of a friends clutch last year... except the rest were all normals...

Oh Heather.......my heart and thoughts go out to you.....:hug: And you are right, people must be prepared for something like this....it doesn't happen often, but you must be prepared.....they would have been beautiful babies.

Wow Heather very sorry... would have been a beautiful snake I think. Thanks for posting and the one that made it is gorgeous as well. What morph is it?

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Originally Posted by Rapture

What morph is it?

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Black Pastel...

Kinda ironic in a cosmic kind of way..

That's terrible, Heather. I hate to see things like that; I can't imagine how rough it must have been on you. I'm sure it was for the best, though - part of a larger plan.

I'll bet things will turn around. ;)

Thanks for sharing Heather. Poor little guy...

:hug:

Sorry for the loss....... Heather

I am so sorry Heather:(
Everything has a way of evening out. You will get em back on the next clutch;)

I'm sending good vibes your way:gj:

Sorry Heather. But at least you got 1.

Hi Heather, that is a real bummer. I'm really sorry to hear that.

You mentioned that the clutch was doomed from the beginning? Did something happen along the incubation/laying process that made you think something was up??

JonV

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Originally Posted by nevohraalnavnoj

You mentioned that the clutch was doomed from the beginning? Did something happen along the incubation/laying process that made you think something was up??

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I believe that the substrate was too wet.

The eggs were HUGE and they seemed to have sucked up even more water...

Two went bad in the middle, and one went bad at the end... and the last one is a runt.

Yeah...

Well Heather I wish you the best of luck with your runt... I think you produced some great black pastels... didn't you have some for sale last year as well? If you did and I'm thinking correctly... the babies you produce are awesome to say the least.

It's sad, but I think it all just comes down to "They are not all meant to make it...."

Sorry to hear about that Heather.

My sympathys. What a terrible thing. I'm glad the sibling is good though. HUGS.

:tears: Awwww, I'm sorry Heather! :hug:

wow im really sorry about that. there are no words. *sends good vibes*:grouphug:

My condolences. Would have been a nice looking snake. Congrats on the one that made it.

Oh Heather - I'm so sorry! I thought at first it was an axanthic black pastel - do they initially hatch silvery looking? I'm happy for you for the healthy one though! :hug:

Hi,

Sorry about the clutch. :(

The live one has all my best wishes for a long and happy life though. :please:


dr del

im sorry for your loss heather.:(

Oh Heather, how very sad. I do thank you though for sharing this with our membership. It's awfully easy this time of year to get overly excited about all the egg hatching and new hatchling pictures and forget that there is sometimes a harsh side to breeding snakes. Things don't always go as planned and even when we do our best, nature sometimes has another plan. I think your sharing these pictures is a good thing for those that want to breed these snakes to see.

Thanks for sharing that with us Heather. I had an Albino that hatched just like that 2 years ago. I say hatched, but it only got half way out of the egg before it expired. It is heartbreaking to say the least, but definitely something that breeders need to be prepared to see.

p.s. I am not sure that this is related to wet substrate, as in my Albino clutch, there was 8 eggs. 1 went bad, the Albino was deformed, and the remaining 6 eggs hatched out fine with no problems. I would think if the wet substrate was the issue, the survivor would have had problems too. Did you try adding some dry substrate to the box during incubation to absorb some of the excess water?

I am so sorry Heather:tears:.

They both have such beautiful patterns and colors.

:hug:

Oh Heather.. how awful. I am so sorry for your loss, but thank you for sharing. Every bit of information for future breeders, whether its good or bad results, is important knowledge gained. I am glad that one made it, and it is beautiful.

Bummer. :( Thank you for posting the pictures though.

sorry to see that! I had a baby with just about identical deformities earlier this season. Thanks for sharing... the other baby really looks like a red axanthic!

Justin

awe, im so sorry!

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Originally Posted by muddoc

I am not sure that this is related to wet substrate, as in my Albino clutch, there was 8 eggs. 1 went bad, the Albino was deformed, and the remaining 6 eggs hatched out fine with no problems. I would think if the wet substrate was the issue, the survivor would have had problems too. Did you try adding some dry substrate to the box during incubation to absorb some of the excess water?

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The survivor was a runt... The eggs themselves were... very odd to say the least, so I'm really not sure. But they did absorb a lot of water, as I was using a different type of vermiculite..

Could have been a lot of things, but all I know is it was hard as hell seeing that baby.




Thanks everyone for your support..

:hug: So sorry Heather...

Oh heather... Im so sorry. Was that the one that we looked at on saturday? Or is that one the survivor?

Im so sorry, i know how bad you wanted to see them survive. I know you take care of your animals very well and sometimes bad things happen to good people.


Take care :)

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Originally Posted by Lewdogg3

Oh heather... Im so sorry. Was that the one that we looked at on saturday? Or is that one the survivor?

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Yeah.. It was the one without its head sticking out...

I told you something was wrong, remember???

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Yeah.. It was the one without its head sticking out...

I told you something was wrong, remember???

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Yea, i remember... :(

I wanna cry for you....

I'm sorry to see this!
It's great the other lived, he/she looks sweet.

:( That sucks, Heather. *biiig hug* :tears:

Sorry to hear that Heather, sadly it is something that all of us should keep in mind and be prepare to face sooner or later.

Being able to breed the animals we love is so rewarding and exciting and sometimes it can be so heartbreaking :tears:.

:hug:

I'm oh so very sorry! How heartbreaking for it to happen to any animal! But, the survivor is absolutely beautiful!

I'm a firm believer that everything happens for a reason. Maybe this happened now, with this cluctch, as a stepping stone or a learning experience so it doesn't happen with the next one. Who knows, maybe the next clutch will bring some really out of this world babies!

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

I believe that the substrate was too wet.

The eggs were HUGE and they seemed to have sucked up even more water...

Two went bad in the middle, and one went bad at the end... and the last one is a runt.

Yeah...

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I think my substrate is too wet as well. My eggs are very very big. What should I do? I mean will it be ok if I change the new substrate right now? I'm using vermiculite, but I didn't think it's too wet at that time. If I can go back and do it again, I would use perlite/water and leave all eggs on the tray(don't know the exact word) on perlite/water. Should I change right now, or it's not a good idea?

Sorry for that Black pastel btw. Hope it's just one in a life time for you.

T,
Try adding some dry vermiculite to the box, and it should soak up some of the water.

Oh man thats harsh. Sorry about that Heather. Its worse that the poor thing was alive at all. Well I hope the other little one doesnt have any problems.

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Originally Posted by muddoc

T,
Try adding some dry vermiculite to the box, and it should soak up some of the water.

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Thanks for the advice Tim.

Sorry y'all for the OT question.

sorry for the loss Lady.. sucks seeing that

ok i know this is a bad thread BUT is that just a normal black pastel?

Heather sooo sorry for your loss, I can only imagine how devastated you are. I wish you the best of luck with your future clutches.

That's awful, Heather. I'm so sorry. The clutch that my baby burm came from had a similar baby, and it's heartbreaking to see.

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Originally Posted by NickMyers03

ok i know this is a bad thread BUT is that just a normal black pastel?

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Yes.. So it was supposed to be... It was a dinking project that was supposed to prove out better than it did.

So yeah, for now, it is just a "normal" black pastel