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  • 02-22-2008, 05:38 PM
    atp151415
    Scale Rot
    I was wondering if anyone had any pics of scale rot and how they get it exactley
    thanks
  • 02-23-2008, 12:13 AM
    Venenum bovis
    Re: Scale Rot
    I don't have any pics of it but i know they can get it from laying on a heat pad that is too hot and doesn't have enough material in between the bottom where the heat pad it and where your snakes lays. Just make sure that the heat pad is not on the inside of the cage, thats why a lot of breeders don't like heat rocks. If you think your snake might have it post some pics here and I'm sure me or someone else will be able to tell you.
  • 02-23-2008, 12:16 AM
    Venenum bovis
    Re: Scale Rot
    Found some pics here ya go this is REALLY bad scale rot though and if your snake looks like this go to the vet now. SO basically it burns if self.

    http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2783/98999883wa8.jpg
  • 02-23-2008, 01:52 AM
    missi182
    Re: Scale Rot
    awe! that would suck. I would say if there is anything about your snake that you question and know you cannot help with yourself, a vet visit doesnt hurt. It isnt too pricey for a checkup and if meds are needed, they arent too expensive either. My vet bill for a checkup when i thought my bp had mouth rot cost me $60 to get checked and $20 for his meds and needles. It was way worth it to feel assured that he was healthy whether i was right about the mouth rot or not. If you are just curious about what it looks like and do not suspect you bp has it then the picture above it a perfect example. I think milder cases of it can appear in a number of ways, most of which are redness or discoloration of the scales. Also as far as I know scale rot may not be caused by external environment only, it can happen from the inside out, or at least that is what i have heard.
    Thats my 2 cents, correct me if anything seems inaccurate:)
  • 02-23-2008, 02:08 AM
    Patrick Long
    Re: Scale Rot
    Have you still not taken your snake to the vet?
  • 02-23-2008, 03:58 AM
    pslsnakes
    Re: Scale Rot
    Scale Rot is NOT caused by a snake getting burnt from a heater.

    Scale Rot is from a snake laying in a wet/way too humid enclosure. Just an http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...ticons/fyi.gif
  • 02-23-2008, 11:17 AM
    atp151415
    Re: Scale Rot
    no, my snake doesnt have scale rot, just have heard people say stuff about it and thought it wouldnt hurt to know what it is and how they get it before it does happen you know

    thanks!
  • 02-23-2008, 11:18 AM
    atp151415
    Re: Scale Rot
    no my snake doesnt have it i just thought it be better to know what it is and how they get it before it happens you know. I need to get a hygrometer to stay safe, what type do you guys prefer?

    thanks everyone
  • 02-23-2008, 11:58 AM
    missi182
    Re: Scale Rot
    you can get digital hygrometers (combo with a thermometer) from wal-mart or other major home hardware places. Get one with an indoor outdoor measurement so you can check two temps at once, theyre about $12-15. Ive heard of bps getting scale rot when they urinate on the UTH and it is not cleaned up and the snake lays in it. Of course this would be avoided by spot cleaning your enclosure on a daily basis and entire cleaning monthly, that is what I do at least.
  • 02-23-2008, 03:06 PM
    atp151415
    Re: Scale Rot
    could you please post a link
    thanks
  • 02-23-2008, 04:02 PM
    BalloonzForU
    Re: Scale Rot
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pslsnakes View Post
    Scale Rot is NOT caused by a snake getting burnt from a heater.

    Scale Rot is from a snake laying in a wet/way too humid enclosure. Just an http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...ticons/fyi.gif


    :gj: Correct!!!
  • 02-24-2008, 11:28 AM
    missi182
    Re: Scale Rot
    atp151415 I sent you a pm with the link to one on ebay because I couldnt find any on walmart. Just look for something similar. Hope it helps.
  • 02-24-2008, 12:16 PM
    pslsnakes
    Re: Scale Rot
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by missi182 View Post
    Of course this would be avoided by spot cleaning your enclosure on a daily basis and entire cleaning monthly, that is what I do at least.


    IMO, monthly is just too long. That substrate is going to soak up all the urine it can. Just spot cleaning, that isn't getting the soiled bedding out, unless you replace a handfull of mulch every time the snake passes urates, and urine, or poop. Which would be pointless, when you can just dump the whole tank/tub out and replace the bedding.

    I replace my aspen every 7 days, and water gets changed every other day, along with the bowls getting cleaned in hot water.
  • 02-24-2008, 02:44 PM
    starmom
    Re: Scale Rot
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by atp151415 View Post
    could you please post a link
    thanks

    Look at the Lowes website for Acu-Rite digital thermometer/hygrometer. They're 12 bucks and totally worth it. That said, a temp gun is also a good investment to get spot temps that have a teeny error of margin. :gj:
  • 02-24-2008, 02:47 PM
    starmom
    Re: Scale Rot
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pslsnakes View Post
    IMO, monthly is just too long. That substrate is going to soak up all the urine it can. Just spot cleaning, that isn't getting the soiled bedding out, unless you replace a handfull of mulch every time the snake passes urates, and urine, or poop. Which would be pointless, when you can just dump the whole tank/tub out and replace the bedding.

    I replace my aspen every 7 days, and water gets changed every other day, along with the bowls getting cleaned in hot water.

    If we're still talking about hypothetical scale rot, it would be best to put the snake on paper substrate (newsprint, kraft paper, paper towels). This way the substrate is thoroughly cleaned each time with no hidden spots, the humidity is totally controlled, and nothing sticks to the wounds of the scale rot. :)
  • 02-24-2008, 03:31 PM
    pslsnakes
    Re: Scale Rot
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by starmom View Post
    If we're still talking about hypothetical scale rot, it would be best to put the snake on paper substrate (newsprint, kraft paper, paper towels). This way the substrate is thoroughly cleaned each time with no hidden spots, the humidity is totally controlled, and nothing sticks to the wounds of the scale rot. :)

    Alright, My B. :oops:

    I thought you were talking in general, and figured your using some type of mulch.

    I was thinking about using paper, though. I have to clean the rack YET AGAIN today, after I just did it 3 days ago. These little turds like tipping thier bowls, and pooing right after I clean the tubs and replace the aspen. :rolleyes:
  • 02-24-2008, 04:12 PM
    atp151415
    Re: Scale Rot
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by starmom View Post
    Look at the Lowes website for Acu-Rite digital thermometer/hygrometer. They're 12 bucks and totally worth it. That said, a temp gun is also a good investment to get spot temps that have a teeny error of margin. :gj:

    thanks
  • 02-24-2008, 04:15 PM
    atp151415
    Re: Scale Rot
    what part of it that reads the humidity, the probe or the thing itself
    Because i dont want to stick the whole thing in there getting in the way of my bp
  • 02-24-2008, 04:33 PM
    starmom
    Re: Scale Rot
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by atp151415 View Post
    what part of it that reads the humidity, the probe or the thing itself
    Because i dont want to stick the whole thing in there getting in the way of my bp

    The unit itself reads the ambient temp and the humidity.
  • 02-25-2008, 04:09 AM
    bender29
    Re: Scale Rot
  • 02-25-2008, 04:09 AM
    bender29
    Re: Scale Rot
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by atp151415 View Post
    what part of it that reads the humidity, the probe or the thing itself
    Because i dont want to stick the whole thing in there getting in the way of my bp

    Velcro it to the side.
  • 02-25-2008, 11:57 AM
    missi182
    Re: Scale Rot
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pslsnakes View Post
    IMO, monthly is just too long. That substrate is going to soak up all the urine it can. Just spot cleaning, that isn't getting the soiled bedding out, unless you replace a handfull of mulch every time the snake passes urates, and urine, or poop. Which would be pointless, when you can just dump the whole tank/tub out and replace the bedding.

    I replace my aspen every 7 days, and water gets changed every other day, along with the bowls getting cleaned in hot water.

    I thought the same thing but my bp doesnt seem to pass any urates or poop more often than once every 3 to 4 weeks. Is that abnormal? When I see it I usually just dump out all the bedding, give it a good wipe down and put some new stuff in and then at least once a month I clean the entire enclosure out, plants and all (and I do change my water almost everyday).
  • 02-25-2008, 12:36 PM
    starmom
    Re: Scale Rot
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by missi182 View Post
    I thought the same thing but my bp doesnt seem to pass any urates or poop more often than once every 3 to 4 weeks. Is that abnormal? When I see it I usually just dump out all the bedding, give it a good wipe down and put some new stuff in and then at least once a month I clean the entire enclosure out, plants and all (and I do change my water almost everyday).

    It seems to be a bit unusual given the age your snake. Even my 9 month old snakes pee and urate every week; last night my son got showered!!! Anyway, I think it goes back to the discussion of prey size for your little guy. Were you able to get the gram scale yet?! :)
  • 02-25-2008, 12:41 PM
    missi182
    Re: Scale Rot
    Nope not yet, Ill try and pick one up today. The last two times he has pooped,urinated,passed urates all at once and it was while I was giving him a bath for a bad shed. That was 2 weeks ago and since then I have only found one tiny urate. He has had three fuzzies sinnce then.
  • 02-25-2008, 12:59 PM
    littleindiangirl
    Re: Scale Rot
    I like the VPI "sniff test". Clean the poo/urates and soiled bedding around it, then smell the enclosure. If it smells, change it, if not, don't. ;)
  • 02-25-2008, 01:30 PM
    missi182
    Re: Scale Rot
    Nope, no stinky :) I also keep the substrate pretty dry so I dont have to worry about mold and I can see any wet spots/urates easily. The humidity stays up by spraying the towels on top once a day instead of the substrate all the time:) I use cypress mulch.
  • 02-25-2008, 01:33 PM
    missi182
    Re: Scale Rot
    atp151415, I hope you got some good info on the scale rot. I hope my question about changing the substrate was some help to you as well, didn't mean to go off topic so much from your question.
  • 02-25-2008, 06:09 PM
    atp151415
    Re: Scale Rot
    thanks everyone
    ill be getting one soon

    then after i get some money from buying my spider
    ill buy a helix
    then after i get more money, a tempgun
    lol
  • 05-16-2009, 04:46 PM
    Lucietheball
    Re: Scale Rot
    i just put some paper towl under my snakes hide so that shes not constantly laying on moist ground.
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